My work was acquired by a large defense contractor near the end of last year. Their corporate is in the northeast. Late summer I need to get up there to meet the team. I can't go to corporate without proof of vax, and it feels fairly important to my career with this company to make the visit. So, that is my reasoning. I didn't get the vax earlier, because I'm a healthy, late 30s male, just didn't seem like there was much for me to worry about re: COVID.

Anyway, chills seem to be gone. I have a headache, arm is sore, and I'm wiped out (didn't sleep well though).

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HCQ always worked. Ivermectin does also.

No Need.

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Why take a vaccine when you can have a 50 year old veterinary drug after you've already gotten sick? Never mind the fact that 100's of millions of the world's poorest people depend on it to prevent parasitic infections, that some of those parasites are now showing resistance, and there is NO alternative medication.

Let's ask Dr. Gomez what he thinks about HCQ and Ivermectin.

Flagged your post for deliberate false medical information. If people don't want the vaccine, whatever. But don't deliberately mislead people.

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How is this false?

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Not me or my family or my extended family. The vaccine is garbage.

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I certainly support your right to decline the vaccine. But am curious why you further state that the vaccine is "garbage"? At this point, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, all three of the U.S. vaccines been proven to be highly effective. Why label them as garbage?

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It doesn't fit his forum 16 narrative to get the vaccine. He's an anti-Vaxxer tough guy. Not much reason to try and reason with those folks.

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That's not true.

Posters like that are common on F16 but I bet the vaccination rate on those posters compared to this forum and the general public are pretty close.

And Anti-vax is not the same as choosing not to get this particular vaccine right now.

They just yell a lot on forum 16.

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The folks over there are pretty bass-ackwards on this issue. The general consensus over there is that covid is no worse than the flu (even after a year of this) and that the deaths are fabricated. And that the vaccine itself is dangerous and should not be taken. I know plenty of people who share these views and it's troubling how many of them are out there.

At this point their views directly contradict overwhelming evidence on both the virus and the vaccine and it's 100% politically motivated. Their opinions should not be given any weight.

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Tell us more about how ending the mask mandate in Texas was wrong.

I got vaccinated. Moderna. First shot was in April. The second shot was 30 days later in May. I experienced major fatigue for half a day the second day after the first shot, but felt perfectly fine when I woke up the next morning. The second shot was a bit different. The day after the second shot my arm was quite sore (like someone punched me in the arm) around the area where they injected the needle and I felt fatigue for a full day and almost a half, but I think it was because my immune system was doing its job. Overall, it wasn't a big deal. I'm perfectly fine today and haven't had any related effects since.

I'm not pro or anti vax. I actually don't care. I think to each their own. I just did it because.

Very happy a trusted vaccine arrived so quickly, but I chose not to get it as I felt it unnecessary for myself and family. Glad others, especially high risk, were able to get it quickly.

That being said, I'm very concerned with the continuing push and unnecessary workplace requirements being driven across the board surrounding what is essentially someone's personal health decision.

It should be someone's choice and we all move on.

For anyone curious about the vaccines and pregnancy outside of anecdotal info, the studies look promising:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890623821000800

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HCQ always worked. Ivermectin does also.

No Need.

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Why take a vaccine when you can have a 50 year old veterinary drug after you've already gotten sick? Never mind the fact that 100's of millions of the world's poorest people depend on it to prevent parasitic infections, that some of those parasites are now showing resistance, and there is NO alternative medication.

Let's ask Dr. Gomez what he thinks about HCQ and Ivermectin.

Flagged your post for deliberate false medical information. If people don't want the vaccine, whatever. But don't deliberately mislead people.

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Are you mad HCQ always worked?

Seems so. Why?

HMMC in Houston has been using it in the COVID units FOR A YEAR. The COVID nurses and research staff take it.

You can take your experimental vaccine and go flag yourself. Your Ivermectin anathema is parasitical resistance? Doomer for alternative treatments, huh.

Dr Gomez has some crow to eat.

It's a little surprising HCQ is still a conversation topic. The body of evidence over the last year has demonstrated it has no effect.

The latest reason it entered popular discourse is some non-peer reviewed preprint that looked at 255 people hospitalized in March-April 2020. Of that lot, 80% died and the remaining focus group was whittled down to 37 individuals on which the proclamation was made that HCQ led to a 200% improvement rate in not dying.

Compared to literal hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been dispensed and consistently proven to work as intended.

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It's a little surprising HCQ is still a conversation topic. The body of evidence over the last year has demonstrated it has no effect.

The latest reason it entered popular discourse is some non-peer reviewed preprint that looked at 255 people hospitalized in March-April 2020. Of that lot, 80% died and the remaining focus group was whittled down to 37 individuals on which the proclamation was made that HCQ led to a 200% improvement rate in not dying.

Compared to literal hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been dispensed and consistently proven to work as intended.

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There was an HCQ study that was published last spring in the Lancet that said that HCQ was ineffective. It was retracted two weeks later for lack of veracity but by the time it was retracted, the damage was done and it was all over the media that HCQ was ineffective. A study published within the last month found that when combined HCQ and azithromycin improved patient survival rate.

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It's a little surprising HCQ is still a conversation topic. The body of evidence over the last year has demonstrated it has no effect.

The latest reason it entered popular discourse is some non-peer reviewed preprint that looked at 255 people hospitalized in March-April 2020. Of that lot, 80% died and the remaining focus group was whittled down to 37 individuals on which the proclamation was made that HCQ led to a 200% improvement rate in not dying.

Compared to literal hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been dispensed and consistently proven to work as intended.

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No effect? Come-on man.

It's okay to look into prophylactics or treatments in addition to the Vax

You could be just as critical about the 'studies' that have featured HCQ but that doesn't fit your bias.

That's rather the point: it doesn't.

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That's rather the point: it doesn't.

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Are you having difficulty reading this week?

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HCQ always worked. Ivermectin does also.

No Need.

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Why take a vaccine when you can have a 50 year old veterinary drug after you've already gotten sick? Never mind the fact that 100's of millions of the world's poorest people depend on it to prevent parasitic infections, that some of those parasites are now showing resistance, and there is NO alternative medication.

Let's ask Dr. Gomez what he thinks about HCQ and Ivermectin.

Flagged your post for deliberate false medical information. If people don't want the vaccine, whatever. But don't deliberately mislead people.

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Interesting. So it’s ok finally to discuss therapeutic options. https://t.co/ydIS4BFyBh

— Dr. Drew (@drdrew) May 29, 2021

Where the &#%!? is the major media? A historic, landmark paper identifies the real “game changer” drug in Covid.. and… they dutifully keep censoring. Memo to media: the agencies are CAPTURED. They JUST #%$! gave Pharma over 4B to… invent a new ivermectin. WTF. DO YOUR JOB. https://t.co/AnbtEer2Gi

— Pierre Kory, MD MPA (@PierreKory) June 20, 2021

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HCQ always worked. Ivermectin does also.

No Need.

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Why take a vaccine when you can have a 50 year old veterinary drug after you've already gotten sick? Never mind the fact that 100's of millions of the world's poorest people depend on it to prevent parasitic infections, that some of those parasites are now showing resistance, and there is NO alternative medication.

Let's ask Dr. Gomez what he thinks about HCQ and Ivermectin.

Flagged your post for deliberate false medical information. If people don't want the vaccine, whatever. But don't deliberately mislead people.

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Enjoy your banquet of crow


Here is an investigative journalism piece on the the hospital i have been telling you about in Houston that was released since i posted the previous information.

When Pence visited last year they showed him the cocktail of HCQ/Azithromycin/Melatonin/Zinc etc which has made their COVID ICU survival rate unparalleled.

HCQ always worked

Now get mad at the right people for suppressing that for 18 months.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/rvccR4Tg6fRS/

I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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I'm glad its your opinion but its ridiculous. It is no way more effective at all. I am not saying Ivermectin does not have some effect on COVID, I believe it does; however, the vaccine is easily the most effective way of combating this disease. In reality vaccines are the most effective way to combat any disease. It basically has shown to prevent death in 99% plus of those that receive it, while ivermectin does not come close to that even if given early. Still many die that have received ivermectin. It is like all logic and math skills go away for you anti vax people.

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I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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I'm glad its your opinion but its ridiculous. It is no way more effective at all. I am not saying Ivermectin does not have some effect on COVID, I believe it does; however, the vaccine is easily the most effective way of combating this disease. In reality vaccines are the most effective way to combat any disease. It basically has shown to prevent death in 99% plus of those that receive it, while ivermectin does not come close to that even if given early. Still many die that have received ivermectin. It is like all logic and math skills go away for you anti vax people.

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I doubt he is anti-vax. He maybe anti THIS vax, which is a completely different argument. His right to approach this in such a manner. When it is all said and done, 10s of millions of Americans will NOT be vaccinated.

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You're certainly free to choose whether or not to get vaccinated. But the vaccine is the primary reason cases and fatalities are down so much and life is returning to normal. It most definitely is not "garbage".

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When it is all said and done, 10s of millions of Americans will NOT be vaccinated.

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And a good number of them will die because they didn't get vaccinated.

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When it is all said and done, 10s of millions of Americans will NOT be vaccinated.

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1) quantify "a good number"
2) how many die from not getting the flu shot, because many millions do NOT get it each and every year.
3) THEIR call

1) quantify "a good number"

Almost all of them

2) how many die from not getting the flu shot, because many millions do NOT get it each and every year.

Almost all of them

3) THEIR call

I've never disputed that

Note: By "Almost all of them", I mean almost all of the people who die from the flu/COVID

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I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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What would possibly lead you to believe catching Covid is safer than the vaccine?

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I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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I'm glad its your opinion but its ridiculous. It is no way more effective at all. I am not saying Ivermectin does not have some effect on COVID, I believe it does; however, the vaccine is easily the most effective way of combating this disease. In reality vaccines are the most effective way to combat any disease. It basically has shown to prevent death in 99% plus of those that receive it, while ivermectin does not come close to that even if given early. Still many die that have received ivermectin. It is like all logic and math skills go away for you anti vax people.

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I doubt he is anti-vax. He maybe anti THIS vax, which is a completely different argument. His right to approach this in such a manner. When it is all said and done, 10s of millions of Americans will NOT be vaccinated.

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Yes it is his right, but he stated that Ivermectin is more effective in 'his opinion'. That is ridiculous to base your decision on something so wrong and without real evidence other than misinformation to feed your own confirmation bias. It is not logical.

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I won't get the vaccine. If I get covid, I'll take ivermectin regimen to combat it. In my opinion, this is a safer, more effective course of action than the vaccine.

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What we possibly lead you to believe catching Covid is safer than the vaccine?

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He is stating that he believes Ivermectin is safer than the vaccine. There is zero evidence of this, he also said he thinks it's more effective than the vaccine. That is absurd, with a vaccine that has prove of almost 100% efficacy against death, and 94% efficacy against even getting COVID compared to a medicine that has shown some effect but only marginal and many people that have received it still died from COVID. Those are real numbers and he ignores them because he has 'his opinion'.

It's like sips who point to the all time series record in football to prove their dominance but ignore the numbers in the modern era from 1972 on which is 50/50. It doesn't fit 'their opinion', so they create false narratives in their mind.

I may have already said this on this thread since it is the only one from the Covid board I follow, but I am really surprised how many people are choosing to form their own opinions instead of following their doctor's. How do I know this? Because I have yet to see anyone post anything like 'my doctor said I didn't need it.' Instead people insist that the 'can make their own educated decision.' No you can't. I have the basic concept of bridge building too but I don't go do it. Why? Because I am not a structural engineer.

I am 44, in relatively good health, and our doctor was adamant that my wife and I get the vaccine. Our kids, who are 9 a nd 12, are not currently getting the vaccine not because of anything I read on the internet but because our pediatrician does not currently recommend it. Therefore my wife and I are fully vaccinated and our children are not.

I know several doctors, as I am sure most of y'all do, and as far as I know all of them very much encourage vaccination.

When did we start listening to politicians and talking heads instead of our own doctor's when it comes to health decisions? Seems like this is a very new phenomenon. Not that we always listen. People are still fat and out of shape even though their doctor's tell them it will kill them. But at least getting into shape and eating right can be fairly difficult for some people. This is just a shot.