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Folks can have lots of health issues that they can't help. I know folks that have fought weight problems all their lives. I think big truck is saying what a lot of nurses and doctors who have put their lives on the line for over a year fighting this thing and see a way to stop it but yet Some folks decide not to realize that.

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OK. So if I don't take my blood pressure meds, and I know that not taking them can make my blood pressure spike, you don't think I should go to the ER if I don't take the meds and my blood pressure spikes? What's the difference?

Gunny, I like your postS on the OB but you are way off here man.

Gunny456 said:

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Folks can have lots of health issues that they can't help. I know folks that have fought weight problems all their lives. I think big truck is saying what a lot of nurses and doctors who have put their lives on the line for over a year fighting this thing and see a way to stop it but yet Some folks decide not to realize that.

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They "fought" weight problems?

But the docs are putting their lives on the line?

A doctor saying people who choose not to get an emergency use vaccine shouldn't go to the ER is the one who has no place in an ER.

I highly doubt Bigtruck would refuse to care for COVID patients that refused to vaccinate, I think he is just expressing his frustration with having to continue to have to deal with a disease that could have essentially been near non-existent in hospitals by this point had we had a population that was more science literate and less conspiracy theory oriented. I get sad every time I have to admit an unvaccinated relatively young patient to the ICU who decided not to take a free and safe vaccine. I still do everything in my power to help them, but these cases can weigh on you, and make you bitter towards those that don't vaccinate. Just like if you decide that's it's a good idea to shove a shampoo bottle up your *ss, if you decide not to get a free and safe vaccine, I will still give you appropriate care and will not shame you for asking for help.

The only science I am looking at is the survival rate for my age group. There is no need to take a vaccine for something with a 99.9% survival rate.

It's not just about you.

Lol, what I put into my body is about me and about me only. Nice try though.

I know a 41 yo guy who got the itis and rode a vent for two weeks before pulling out of it

Survived, lost like 60 lbs and looks like a skeleton now

You do you

cone said:

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I know a 41 yo guy who got the itis and rode a vent for two weeks before pulling out of it

Survived, lost like 60 lbs and looks like a skeleton now

You do you

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You have the most amazing life based on all your anecdotes and knowing people with crazy low chances of having issues with Covid

Cool story

cone said:

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I know a 41 yo guy who got the itis and rode a vent for two weeks before pulling out of it

Survived, lost like 60 lbs and looks like a skeleton now

You do you

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What happened to "I'll show myself out"? You are nothing but an attention seeking fear monger and you should be ashamed at this point. Go away. You aren't helping anything with all your fantastic stories.

All the anecdotal stories are exhausting, on both sides. Thought Aggies we're smarter. Look at the whole picture.

How is that? So what if a guy gets 3 DUIs and then one night kills a family? Whose fault was that? Nobody but his.
All I am saying is I feel for docs and nurses who have put their butts on the line and worked like dogs only to have to live it again and they, I'm sure feel like it could all be prevented by folks taking the vaccine.
I am in Springfield supposedly on vacation as we sit with a sick aunt in the hospital. I can tell you Covid is back in full swing here and what we see is young folks that are not vaccinated filling this hospital up. I am seeing it with my own eyes.
All I am saying is I can see where the feelings of the doctors and nurses are coming from.
I guess as a country boy it goes back to you can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink.

The Israeli experience with Delta is Instructive.

As with all Covid variants, the bottom line is vaccination prevents going to the hospital more than 90% of the time.

I can see where the frustration is coming from. Was talking with an ICU nurse I know and she said it's like those people that refuse mandatory evacuations saying they'll be fine before a flood/hurricane. Then suddenly start demanding help when the water starts rising. Easily avoidable, now puts others at risk.

Very well said .... and again thank you.

I have a question that perhaps you can shed some light on.

I have a close friend, 35 years old who is very fair skinned. He fishes a lot and developed advanced melanoma that had migrated into some lymp glands. He was treated with surgery at MD Anderson 12 years ago.
He was offered a prophylactic treatment of a vaccine that he was to get once a month for a year, then twice a year since.
Two weeks ago I rode with him to Houston and met his doc who was an older Aggie. We went to dinner that night and Covid came up.
He told my friend that his vaccine that he had received was an MnRA based vaccine that was the building block to the Covid vaccine.
He said they have been using if for over 13 years. He voiced an opinion that this should. Be made known to the general public and perhaps it would dispel vaccine reluctance if people knew the facts.
Do you have any knowledge of this?

Edit to add: My friend has remained cancer free for 13 years now.

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Went from seeing 1-2 cases per day past few months to 10-20 range per day again. Almost all unvaccinated. All the hospitals are full again, but this time it isn't all Covid. We also have trauma season in full swing, and all the other respiratory viruses are making a huge comeback since the masks are off which mostly means more pediatric visits to the ER for croup, RSV, etc...

I can't tell you how burnt out all the ER physicians, nurses, and ancillary staff are. We have had more turnover this year than in the last 4 years combined.

*edit* I was given bad info regarding Australian flu cases, please disregard:

If Australia ends up being a good indicator for our next flu season, like it usually is, then there is no end in sight. I don't know if we will be able to find anyone to work by then.

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Oh noes.

Do ya think maybe this is because so many people were locked up in their houses for so long? Makes sense that all these diseases are coming back. Lock downs are stupid.

I wouldn't call know people almost dying from this disease amazing

but you can sure be a d-head about it

I believe the good doctor was venting and don't blame him.

Can't imagine how frustrating it is for them right now.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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If you don't care enough to get the vaccine, don't go to the ER when you get it.

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Well said. Amazing how many right-wing Forum 16ers are triggered by this.

Jbob04 said:

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Lol, what I put into my body is about me and about me only. Nice try though.

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Just make sure you don't go to the ER or the hospital when you get COVID-19 then. Thanks.

The biggest thing I have learned from the past year and a half is how unbelievably self centered and selfish so many people are.

$30,000 Millionaire said:

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The biggest thing I have learned from the past year and a half is how unbelievably self centered and selfish so many people are.

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Are you surprised? I'm not. The biggest thing I've learned is that our extreme level of access to information has made everyone a self proclaimed expert on everything.

And every issue is now binary. Objective middle will get you chastised from both sides. You are expected to pick a side, never waver, and absolutely never ever ever be open to changing your mind.

I've personally been extremely fortunate through all this with only a couple of family members having moderate cases with no lasting effects.

I know anecdotal stories are dismissed these days, but lots of folks need to keep hearing them because sooner or later it will be someone close to them giving them the wake up call.

I was chatting with the mom of one of my 1st grader's friends a few weeks ago at an end of year picnic. She is early/mid 30s, perfectly healthy, fit w/ low BMI, no conditions... April 2020 she got slammed with covid that wiped her out for a month including 10 days in the hospital. Mostly got over it with only minor lingering issues like fatigue. And then she got it again in January 2021, and this time is was a bit milder. Didn't have to go to the hospital but wiped her out for a week again. Maybe this is another "1 in a million" story, maybe it is not. The wildest part is that she lives in a relatively small apartment with her husband and two young children, and none of them ever testing positive either time even though they were closed in with her through most of it all.

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cone said:

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I wouldn't call know people almost dying from this disease amazing

but you can sure be a d-head about it

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Ok that's fair, bad choice of words. Maybe a statistical anomaly is more what I was going for

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People being unable to separate emotion and anecdotes have been a major problem throughout all of this.

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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If you don't care enough to get the vaccine, don't go to the ER when you get it.

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Well said. Amazing how many right-wing Forum 16ers are triggered by this.

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Or maybe some posters think it's unusual for someone to suggest that a potentially dying person not go to the ER. Regardless of their situation. That seems like an emotional overreaction.

I got the vaccine in late January. I consider myself right-winged. I also think it's an individual choice whether or not you get any vaccine. And with all choices we make, thet come certain risks and responsibilies.

traxter said:

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I can see where the frustration is coming from. Was talking with an ICU nurse I know and she said it's like those people that refuse mandatory evacuations saying they'll be fine before a flood/hurricane. Then suddenly start demanding help when the water starts rising. Easily avoidable, now puts others at risk.

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Yep, only these first responders have been dealing with a hurricane for over a year.

I dont blame any of them for being at the end of their rope when this wave was 100% preventable.

$30,000 Millionaire said:

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The biggest thing I have learned from the past year and a half is how unbelievably self centered and selfish so many people are.

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I agree. With how quickly we mandated masks without any scientific proof, shut down small businesses and restaurants, killed the economy, and now force vaccinations on people for a virus that overwhelmingly impacts older and obese people.

Really makes you think who is the selfish one here.

gunan01 said:

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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If you don't care enough to get the vaccine, don't go to the ER when you get it.

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Well said. Amazing how many right-wing Forum 16ers are triggered by this.

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doesn't take a whole lot unfortunately

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Jbob04 said:

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Lol, what I put into my body is about me and about me only. Nice try though.

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Just make sure you don't go to the ER or the hospital when you get COVID-19 then. Thanks.

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What an insane take. Should someone who gets in a car wreck while not wearing a seatbelt not go to the ER? Someone who eats themselves to 400 pounds and has a heart attack? That's not how healthcare works.

traxter said:

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I can see where the frustration is coming from. Was talking with an ICU nurse I know and she said it's like those people that refuse mandatory evacuations saying they'll be fine before a flood/hurricane. Then suddenly start demanding help when the water starts rising. Easily avoidable, now puts others at risk.

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This is how I took bigtruck's comment. I understand those of you who don't see the point in vaccinating see it as a personal choice, but the issue becomes when someone who refused a vaccine (for whatever reason) then comes into the ER and puts doctors, nurses, and other patients, some of which are immuno-compromised, at risk.

Your personal choice is all well and good, until your personal choices put others potentially at risk. That doesn't mean healthcare professionals will refuse treatment, but you can't blame them for being frustrated after dealing with this ****ty virus for over a year.