quote:I guess it went over your head that the racism was pretty integral to the story, not to mention accurate for the era.
My opinion.
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No it didn't, I even acknowledged that fact in my OP. (Maybe it went over yours?)
quote:You can have your own opinion, that's fine. But by saying there was too much racism in a QT movie is like saying, "I ate an orange today and I was really put off by how tart it tasted in comparison to an apple."
No it didn't, I even acknowledged that fact in my OP. (Maybe it went over yours?)
You're not wrong, your opinion is just out of place.
Duly noted. And i like how many people have opinions on my opinion. Why can't some hear an opposing view without taking offense or giving derision?
Like I said, racial slurs aside, I still found the movie lacking. Acting was good, not the best. (Goggins should be nominated for his role). But the dialogue wasn't nearly as sharp as QT's past films and there wasnt a tour de force type performance that I've been accustomed to. (Sam Jackson in Pulp, Christopher Waltz in Basterds, Dicaprio in Django...I just didn't think this one stood out in any unique way.) Combine that with the hallow end and I thought it was a below average QT movie.
Like I said, racial slurs aside, I still found the movie lacking. Acting was good, not the best. (Goggins should be nominated for his role). But the dialogue wasn't nearly as sharp as QT's past films and there wasnt a tour de force type performance that I've been accustomed to. (Sam Jackson in Pulp, Christopher Waltz in Basterds, Dicaprio in Django...I just didn't think this one stood out in any unique way.) Combine that with the hallow end and I thought it was a below average QT movie.
Goggins definitely was the best part of the movie but the movie was pretty damn good imo. Not his best but not his worst either. I want to see it again
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Seen em all. Thought this was one of the weaker ones.
Then how in God's name can you be surprised at the liberal use of the N-word here? Are you shocked at all the nudity when watching a porno?
What junk said. I mean have you seen Jackie Brown? Pretty sure they use the n-word at least twice as much.
Your comments would be like me going to a Scorsese flick and being put off by the excessive use of the f-word.
Your comments would be like me going to a Scorsese flick and being put off by the excessive use of the f-word.
quote:And Django says hello as well
What junk said. I mean have you seen Jackie Brown? Pretty sure they use the n-word at least twice as much.
I get it, you don't like my take. Please stop condescending to me.
See above.
It's not that we don't like your take, it's that your take does not make any sense if you've actually seen a Tarantino flick before.
If this was your first QT movie I'd certainly understand your opinion.
If this was your first QT movie I'd certainly understand your opinion.
quote:If someone tells you they don't like chocolate, do you deride them for your inability to understand? An opinion is a mindset; and you and I are not of the same mindset. I don't expect you to understand but when I say the racial slurs bothered me and were tiresome, then I would at least expect the same courtesy you might give to someone else who expresses their distaste. (I feel these forums in general should follow that courtesy)
It's not that we don't like your take, it's that your take does not make any sense if you've actually seen a Tarantino flick before.
If this was your first QT movie I'd certainly understand your opinion.
Having said that, I'll TRY to elaborate:
His (Tarantino) use of racial slurs is not new, nor shocking. In this specific movie, the reliance on race and the cog it provided towards the plot is what I thought was gratuitous. The previews made it seem like an Agatha Christie novel set in the American Frontier times. Not a post civil war, social commentary piece. I had no idea who Sam Jackson's character was other than he was a bounty hunter. Did you honestly expect the North v South sympathies to play a big a role as it did? I sure as hell didn't. And again, that's not a bad thing. But please note, it wasn't what I was expecting. And to be quite frank, it seemed like Tarantino forced that into the movie unnecessarily. <---This is also an opinion.
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If someone tells you they don't like chocolate, do you deride them for your inability to understand?
Absolutely. Chocolate is delicious and I trust nobody that dislikes it.
As for it being gratuitous, the movie is called The HATEFUL Eight. These are supposed to be unsavory characters. QT has said many times in many interviews that he didn't mean for any character to be particularly likeable.
Let it go and move on, fellas.
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It's not that we don't like your take, it's that your take does not make any sense if you've actually seen a Tarantino flick before.
If this was your first QT movie I'd certainly understand your opinion.
Morricone wins the globe for best score.
All I know is I really enjoyed the movie
Just saw this. Not sure what I think. It was better than I expected, but I wasn't expecting much. It's just crazy how QT loves to build suspense with so much dialogue, then the deaths of characters just happen, usually with a shot while unarmed. Seems kinda lazy, but that's how QT does it.
That said, it was an ok movie, not great, but not nearly as bad as I read on imdb.
1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
That said, it was an ok movie, not great, but not nearly as bad as I read on imdb.
1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
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1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
They thought it would give the set up more legitimacy and alleviate any suspicions the others might have.
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1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
They thought it would give the set up more legitimacy and alleviate any suspicions the others might have.
Why would they think that? They just killed everyone and they're leaving a witness alive. It doesn't make sense to me.
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1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
They thought it would give the set up more legitimacy and alleviate any suspicions the others might have.
Why would they think that? They just killed everyone and they're leaving a witness alive. It doesn't make sense to me.
The entire 3rd act of Django didn't make any sense either... It's Tarantino
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1 issue: Why did the bad guys leave Bruce Dern alive?
They thought it would give the set up more legitimacy and alleviate any suspicions the others might have.
Why would they think that? They just killed everyone and they're leaving a witness alive. It doesn't make sense to me.
Just someone who was clearly not in cahoots.
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So at the end, they go from Domergue trying to bribe Mannix with the bodies of her dead gang members to Mannix saying "screw it I'm going to hang her and die in the cabin with SJL", even though he wasn't mortally wounded. That made no sense.
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So at the end, they go from Domergue trying to bribe Mannix with the bodies of her dead gang members to Mannix saying "screw it I'm going to hang her and die in the cabin with SJL", even though he wasn't mortally wounded. That made no sense.
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I liked it but was disappointed in it as well. It seemed like Tarrantino forgot what was going on and just started making stuff up at the end. Things like (spoilers ahead):
1) The Samuel l. Jackson character kills the old Southern general and the other Southerner, who jumped out of his skin when Jackson walked over to the old guy, did nothing about it. This is before he almost drank poison so he still hated Jackson's character but greatly admired the general.
2) Samuel L. Jackson did not kill them when he had the chance. He had already said he kills people instead of bringing them in alive. As soon as Kurt Russell died the Samuel L. Jackson character would have killed that woman based on the character development earlier in the movie.
3) It rambled BIG TIME at the end. The dialogue was bloated and most of it was unnecessary.
4) Samuel L. Jackson would have never trusted the Southern guy with a gun. Even though he knew he was not part of it he would not have trusted him with a gun. The guy hated blacks.
1) The Samuel l. Jackson character kills the old Southern general and the other Southerner, who jumped out of his skin when Jackson walked over to the old guy, did nothing about it. This is before he almost drank poison so he still hated Jackson's character but greatly admired the general.
2) Samuel L. Jackson did not kill them when he had the chance. He had already said he kills people instead of bringing them in alive. As soon as Kurt Russell died the Samuel L. Jackson character would have killed that woman based on the character development earlier in the movie.
3) It rambled BIG TIME at the end. The dialogue was bloated and most of it was unnecessary.
4) Samuel L. Jackson would have never trusted the Southern guy with a gun. Even though he knew he was not part of it he would not have trusted him with a gun. The guy hated blacks.
quote:quote:If someone tells you they don't like chocolate, do you deride them for your inability to understand? An opinion is a mindset; and you and I are not of the same mindset. I don't expect you to understand but when I say the racial slurs bothered me and were tiresome, then I would at least expect the same courtesy you might give to someone else who expresses their distaste. (I feel these forums in general should follow that courtesy)
It's not that we don't like your take, it's that your take does not make any sense if you've actually seen a Tarantino flick before.
If this was your first QT movie I'd certainly understand your opinion.
Having said that, I'll TRY to elaborate:
His (Tarantino) use of racial slurs is not new, nor shocking. In this specific movie, the reliance on race and the cog it provided towards the plot is what I thought was gratuitous. The previews made it seem like an Agatha Christie novel set in the American Frontier times. Not a post civil war, social commentary piece. I had no idea who Sam Jackson's character was other than he was a bounty hunter. Did you honestly expect the North v South sympathies to play a big a role as it did? I sure as hell didn't. And again, that's not a bad thing. But please note, it wasn't what I was expecting. And to be quite frank, it seemed like Tarantino forced that into the movie unnecessarily. <---This is also an opinion.
This is more akin to someone saying "I don't like chocolate because the aluminum that it comes in is really hard to chew"
Just watched it for the first time. Better than I was expecting but didn't like the final 45 minutes (when everyone gets killed quickly one after another) but I don't like the ending of most of QT's movies. 7/10
I finally got around to seeing Hateful Eight. QT is hit and miss for me, and this was a huge miss. IMO it's the worst movie that's trying to be good that I've seen. Slow. Repetitive. Predictable. Lazy. Inconsistent. It was like his biggest concern was making it recognizable as a Tarantino and he lost sight of whether the product was any good. Too stylized. The characters and plot were left for dead.
Loved the scenery, cinematography, score, and isolated exchanges, it's just unfortunate that they were attached to everything else about the movie.
Loved the scenery, cinematography, score, and isolated exchanges, it's just unfortunate that they were attached to everything else about the movie.
I don't remember every character and what happened to them, but I do remember not being completely sure about all the characters for a while, did you really find the whole thing that predictable?
I enjoyed it, but it's definitely not in his top 5. It was kinda like if Tarrantino made a violent western version of Clue.
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I enjoyed it, but it's definitely not in his top 5. It was kinda like if Tarrantino made a violent western version of Clue.
So true!
It was good...not great. And that, to me, makes it a disappointment because I had higher hopes for it.
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I don't remember every character and what happened to them, but I do remember not being completely sure about all the characters for a while, did you really find the whole thing that predictable?
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The coffee scene told me that everyone who had already been in the cabin was in the same gang saving the girl and that the fake sheriff was going to switch sides. I knew really early that everyone was going to die, but that's more because I don't think Tarantino can imagine a scenario where 8 people trapped together for 2 days ends with anything but a pile of corpses.
Almost everyone in the cabin is lying and everyone in the cabin sees through everyone else's lies even if they aren't sure of the truth. The only honest ones were OB and Kurt Russell, so they died first.
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Blatant Disregard said:
The setting was reminiscent of Django and the plot was reminiscent of Reservoir Dogs.
Probably 4th best Tarantino film after Pulp Fiction, Basterds, and Django. Same level as Reservoir Dogs but better than the Kill Bills.
Yes the score was great. Found myself humming the ominous motif that was used when they showed the huge crucifix both times.
Just saw this movie on Showtime and your description is spot on. However, I personally like the Kill Bills much more than most QT fans so would put them ahead of this movie. It was definitely entertaining though.
Kurt Russel and JJL were fantastic.
I really enjoyed this one. Definitely in my top 3-4 of Tarantino films. Pulp stands alone by far. But of the other films this one may be behind, it's not very far behind.
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