I'm guessing this third one does easily over 500 million domestic and falls around 100 million short of what the second movie did….

However a small part of me is guessing this could do worse than 500 in the US…..it'll still bank like crazy internationally regardless….

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Murder Hornet said:

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No desire to watch avatar. Any chance this trailer and Odyssey will be on YouTube in decent quality?

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Same. I have no interest in the new Avatar. I predict it will be a huge money loser.

The last one, besides all the beautiful colors and creatures and parts of the world we had not seen, was just a boring story. And they underutilized Zoe Saldana's character.

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So apparently the Doomsday teaser trailer that was supposed to release tomorrow has been delayed. This is all rumor, but from credible sources, and if true my guess is it now drops early next week. All anyone else knows is that DC/Supergirl had a big/live/in-person trailer event with the cast and filmmakers this past Sunday to debut their trailer, it was received extremely well, they then claimed a Thursday morning online release, and now it seems Marvel has flinched. Pretty wild, if so, to see Marvel not be the one to stand their ground.

I don't think it's wild. Marvel is pretty played out at this point, and I think they know it. DC has a lot of room to grow after sputtering and flailing about for the last decade, and it looks like they finally have the leadership to do it. I think a lot of audiences are looking at Marvel as old and formulaic because it is, and DC is seen as new and fresh because it kind of is.

Right. Considering Marvel's history, it's "wild" how the tables have finally/officially turned. We're saying the same thing.

Gotcha

I somewhat disagree.

While comic book fans loved the new Superman, and are looking forward to Supergirl, I don't think it's created the same universal buzz that will happen when Downey Jr./Doom and the other primary Marvel characters appear in that teaser.

To me this is just Marvel wanting to have a clear path for "X views in the first 24 hours" that is so hyped up these days.

I'm happy that James Gunn is leading the way for DC, but I think it will take more sustained success (and definitely more actual movies under the DCU's belt) to fully become a huge deal.

Looking forward to the next few years as a true reboot for both of the comic universes.

Big picture, I don't think you're wrong. Doomsday will potentially make more money than Superman and Supergirl combined. My point is, Marvel didn't claim the trailer date with any kind of announcement or hype like DC is going. When, in the past, Marvel would have been the ones to squat on that date, make everyone adjust to them, etc. Instead, they're just kind silently pivoting after someone else was more aggressive. It's like they were caught off guard, flat-footed, etc, when that used to not be the case. Also very telling is that DC no-doubt knew Thursday was Doomsday trailer day and were like, "**** it, that's our date now" and felt they could be the aggressor. That also never used to happen.

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I don't think it's wild. Marvel is pretty played out at this point, and I think they know it. DC has a lot of room to grow after sputtering and flailing about for the last decade, and it looks like they finally have the leadership to do it. I think a lot of audiences are looking at Marvel as old and formulaic because it is, and DC is seen as new and fresh because it kind of is.

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only issue is the purchase of Warner brothers and any possible changes under new ownership…don't think anything crazy is coming but it just seems like a "what if"

I think right now people aren't interested - even I hardly care anymore - but the second everyone sees Robert Downey Jr. vs Chris Evans back on the big screen again everyone's going to flip. At its core, Doomsday is apparently Doom vs Cap, while it was also revealed recently that Marvel is treating Doomsday more as a sequel to Endgame as opposed to a culmination of the last six years. Obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged, but the movie is apparently designed in a way where you don't have to have seen much between Endgame and now. That and, again, it isn't meant to be a culmination, it's meant to be a new beginning and kick off the next 10 years or so of Marvel.

I'll stick to my OG prediction that somewhere during Secret Wars, the big reveal will come that RDJ's Doom is just a brainwashed Tony Stark puppet being controlled by the real Doom, who will probably be all CGI with a famous voice like Thanos, giving them the chance to have Stark suit up one last time and play the music.

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I think right now people aren't interested - even I hardly care anymore - but the second everyone sees Robert Downey Jr. vs Chris Evans back on the big screen again everyone's going to flip. At its core, Doomsday is apparently Doom vs Cap, while it was also revealed recently that Marvel is treating Doomsday more as a sequel to Endgame as opposed to a culmination of the last six years. Obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged, but the movie is apparently designed in a way where you don't have to have seen much between Endgame and now. That and, again, it isn't meant to be a culmination, it's meant to be a new beginning and kick off the next 10 years or so of Marvel.

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This actually *kind of* lines up with what Disney is doing with Star Wars as well. With SW, it looks to me like they are slowly backfilling a different timeline that takes place after ROTJ but before the ST that ultimately overcomes and supersedes the ST....which I wholly support as someone who hated the ST (which actually doesn't exist and is not canon). IOW, they are sort of writing out the interim D+ stuff for Marvel by tying Doomsday back to Endgame and with Star Wars they are writing around the ST so people ultimately just kind of forget about it and it dies on the vine.

Regarding this announcement, it doesn't totally surprise me. You do have former Marvel guy in Gunn now running DC so he knows how this stuff works and as we all know he's super damn aggressive with his film making. I do agree with the other poster that so far the new DC largely sucks and has not started off well, IMO. I do not think it will achieve what the MCU did with this start by Gunn though:

- Creature Commandos - bad; didn't finish it.

- Peacemaker S1 - very much enjoyed this but very Rated R even for DC.

- Peacemaker S2 - have only watched the pilot and I was very turned off by it because (1) it went multi-verse although we all expected that since there is really no other way to make this canon, but (2) the orgy scene was so unnecessary, nonsensical, and shoe horned in that it just came across as disgusting to me and I do not remotely mind nudity in shows

- Superman - the more I think about this movie in hindsight the less I like it. It frankly sucked except for possibly the black guy whose name I already forgot.

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I think right now people aren't interested - even I hardly care anymore - but the second everyone sees Robert Downey Jr. vs Chris Evans back on the big screen again everyone's going to flip. At its core, Doomsday is apparently Doom vs Cap, while it was also revealed recently that Marvel is treating Doomsday more as a sequel to Endgame as opposed to a culmination of the last six years. Obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged, but the movie is apparently designed in a way where you don't have to have seen much between Endgame and now. That and, again, it isn't meant to be a culmination, it's meant to be a new beginning and kick off the next 10 years or so of Marvel.

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Don't they sort of have to acknowledge the F4 stuff? Isn't Doom a F4 villian?

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TCTTS said:

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I think right now people aren't interested - even I hardly care anymore - but the second everyone sees Robert Downey Jr. vs Chris Evans back on the big screen again everyone's going to flip. At its core, Doomsday is apparently Doom vs Cap, while it was also revealed recently that Marvel is treating Doomsday more as a sequel to Endgame as opposed to a culmination of the last six years. Obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged, but the movie is apparently designed in a way where you don't have to have seen much between Endgame and now. That and, again, it isn't meant to be a culmination, it's meant to be a new beginning and kick off the next 10 years or so of Marvel.

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Don't they sort of have to acknowledge the F4 stuff? Isn't Doom a F4 villian?

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I think there are pics on this thread showing Pedro on set and Doom was in the latest F4 movie.

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maybe the plot is Cap goes back in time to stop Brave New World from ever being filmed.

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Why stop there?

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TCTTS said:

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I think right now people aren't interested - even I hardly care anymore - but the second everyone sees Robert Downey Jr. vs Chris Evans back on the big screen again everyone's going to flip. At its core, Doomsday is apparently Doom vs Cap, while it was also revealed recently that Marvel is treating Doomsday more as a sequel to Endgame as opposed to a culmination of the last six years. Obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged, but the movie is apparently designed in a way where you don't have to have seen much between Endgame and now. That and, again, it isn't meant to be a culmination, it's meant to be a new beginning and kick off the next 10 years or so of Marvel.

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Don't they sort of have to acknowledge the F4 stuff? Isn't Doom a F4 villian?

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Of course. That's what I meant by "obviously certain events over the past six years will be acknowledged," and the F4 stuff will be the most prominent of the bunch, no doubt. I'm just saying, audiences won't have to have seen, say, Moon Knight and half-a-dozen other Marvel shows, or even half the movies since 2019. In fact, they've apparently designed Doomsday to where most story points from the past six years that general audiences need to know will be discussed/referenced in the movie itself. Hell, through context clues and a bit of exposition alone, I bet they could even yada yada everything audiences need to know from the entirety of the F4 movie. My point is, they're assuming the last movie *everyone* saw was Endgame, and that will be the only concrete requirement going into this one. Everything else will be a bonus.

There are reportedly three different teaser trailers for ‘AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY’ that are all connected.

Each will be shown at different screenings for ‘AVATAR: FIRE AND ASH’ over a 3-week span.

(via @FilmThreat) pic.twitter.com/AtPT4I6UwT

— Avengers Updates (@AvengersUpdated) December 12, 2025

There are 3 different trailers for ‘AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY,’ and they all connect.

They’ll reportedly be released one per week over three weeks, to encourage people to see ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash’ multiple times. https://t.co/ZjSIu7HHSW pic.twitter.com/Bmf3SfPDKP

— MCU Film News (@MCUFilmNews) December 12, 2025

Avatar is literally the last movie they need to "drive to traffic to." Will this stunt help? A little, I'm sure. In reality, though, they're the two biggest Disney movies releasing over the next year, and Disney is simply trying to better event-ize both. It's basic synergy.

That said, the three-trailer thing is still just a rumor at this point, but one that seems to have some credibility behind it. We shall see...

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Avatar is literally the last movie they need to "drive to traffic to." Will this stunt help? A little, I'm sure. In reality, though, they're the two biggest Disney movies releasing over the next year, and Disney is simply trying to better event-ize both. It's basic synergy.

That said, the three-trailer thing is still just a rumor at this point, but one that seems to have some credibility behind it. We shall see...

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Synergy?! You corporate stooge.

Just kidding. I don't like avatar but I really want to see these trailers. My battered MCU fan syndrome has given me hope again.

If this is, indeed, the strategy, I'm assuming the trailers will hopefully/eventually be online at some point in late December/early January.

Ha, make that FOUR trailers over the next four weeks. Considering this is from The Hollywood Reporter, it's basically official now…

4 different trailers for ‘AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY’ will be attached with ‘AVATAR: FIRE & ASH’

Each trailer will play for 1 week, before switching to the next.

(Source: https://t.co/RDPogOcM3g) pic.twitter.com/1NO2Yd19Pk

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) December 12, 2025

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Sources are telling us the trailer for Avengers: Doomsday will have a unique rollout, one aimed at getting diehards to see Avatar: Fire and Ash multiple times.

Get this: Disney is sending theaters four different trailers for the Marvel mega-movie each will play for one week, before switching to the next. So, if you see Fire and Ash opening weekend, you'll get trailer one. If you go a week later, you'll get trailer two, and so on. Marvel had no comment on the rollout.

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Three thoughts:

1) Kinda like comic book cover variants.
2) Not a bad idea and I'm curious if it'll catch on for future mega movie events.
3) If they wanted to, each trailer could focus on something a little more: first trailer Doom, second trailer Avengers, third trailer Fantastic Four, fourth trailer the Fox X-Men. Probably not, but it'd work on me more than slightly different dialogue would.

I saw someone propose a similar idea - each of the first three trailers focusing on a different "team" - then the fourth trailer focusing on Doom, with the tagline at the end: "All roads lead to Doom."

Would be pretty sick.

I'm not sure I'd pay to go see Avatar even if I got to watch Doomsday immediately after.

I can't take credit for this idea because I saw in on YouTube, but what if the first scene of Doomsday is alt-Tony Stark hammering away to make the Dr. Doom mask just like Endgame ends with the sound of Tony Stark doing so in the cave with the first Ironman suit?

That's too many trailers. Might as well show the whole movie. We need to get back to actual teaser trailers.

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That's too many trailers. Might as well show the whole movie. We need to get back to actual teaser trailers.

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This.

I'm sure the trailers will all be 10% different from each other and we'll all feel a little ripped off.