maybe this can be a replacement????
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Marvel needs to retroactively fire a lot of their actors if he's getting wiped clean for that charge.
BREAKING: Jonathan Majors has been FIRED as Kang the Conqueror and will no longer be part of the MCU moving forward.
— Jeff Sneider (@TheInSneider) December 18, 2023
BREAKING: Marvel Studios has parted ways with Jonathan Majors — the actor cast to play Kang, the central antagonist in the Multiverse Saga of the Marvel Cinematic Universe — after he was convicted of two misdemeanor counts of harassment and assault.https://t.co/7GxURAkq1j pic.twitter.com/9WxdZBUsoB
— Variety (@Variety) December 18, 2023
Jonathan Majors is officially out at Marvel Studios. It marks a stunning career blow for the once-rising actor following a guilty verdict in his assault and harassment case earlier today: https://t.co/aYfAIvGJAW pic.twitter.com/p5y9Fw7OUJ
— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) December 18, 2023
Jonathan Majors Fired By Disney/Marvel Studios After Assault Guilty Verdict; Actor Had Played Kang The Conqueror https://t.co/psDc9PbmeJ
— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) December 18, 2023
With the Jonathan Majors situation coming to an end... I would like to invite everyone to mentally remove "Avengers: Kang Dynasty" from your MCU big board.
— Matt Roembke (@mattroembke) December 18, 2023
It weirdly makes the future slate feel much better if all roads lead directly to #SecretWars pic.twitter.com/q9nl0fMuJN
Seems like this was the direction they were planning on going for a while and they had their finger on the button just waiting
So, Deadpool 3 and Comic-Con both just so happen to be the same weekend in July next year (the 26th), which would be my best bet as to when the refreshed MCU slate will be announced. If so, let Deadpool 3 + all the big announcements that weekend set the course for a new, more focused direction for the MCU, which will kick off in-full, in 2025, with the massive slate of...
Captain America: Brave New World
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14513804/
February 14, 2025
Fantastic Four
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10676052/
May 2, 2025
Thunderbolts
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20969586/
July 25, 2025
Blade
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10671440/
November 7, 2025
Captain America: Brave New World
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14513804/
February 14, 2025
Fantastic Four
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10676052/
May 2, 2025
Thunderbolts
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20969586/
July 25, 2025
Blade
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10671440/
November 7, 2025
jokershady said:
Seems like this was the direction they were planning on going for a while and they had their finger on the button just waiting
Totally. Definitely feels like they've been waiting to pull this trigger for a while now.
Loki was set up in such a way to be ambiguous enough that you can point back to it and write Kang into irrelevance
It retroactively makes Lokis sacrifice that much more powerful
It retroactively makes Lokis sacrifice that much more powerful
Spoiler alert.
In fact, with the new DCU kicking off in 2025 as well, I really think next year's Comic-Con could be a return to the arms race glory days, with back-to-back MCU/DCU panels in Hall H, each setting the course for the next two-three years, with all kinds of big announcements, star appearances, and footage premieres. Gunn will be near the end of filming Superman: Legacy, he could stop by and drop the first footage, announce the DCU Batman, we finally get more release dates, etc. Then on the Marvel side of things, we could get our first look at Brave New World & Thunderbolts, the Fantastic Four cast could show up together on stage for the first time, we get the new Spider-Man date & title, etc.
Who knows, each studio could of course end up doing their own, separate, more controlled online announcements before then, but man that weekend could be so much fun if they embrace the old school, late '00s/early '10s Comic-Con approach.
Who knows, each studio could of course end up doing their own, separate, more controlled online announcements before then, but man that weekend could be so much fun if they embrace the old school, late '00s/early '10s Comic-Con approach.
According to reports, Marvel Studios has pivoted their plans and will focus on a new villain for the next Avengers movie. Internally, the film is referred to as 'AVENGERS 5' instead of 'AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY.'
— The Streamr (@The_Streamr) December 18, 2023
(@THR) pic.twitter.com/9iKUhvw4bx
Effectively, SECRET WARS is now a two-part conclusion to the Avengers Saga. https://t.co/8nSTIp4Bpu
— Jeff Sneider (@TheInSneider) December 18, 2023
This is a terrible decision. They should have just recast him.
I disagree. Regardless of Majors and his issues, Kang was a swing and a miss for Marvel, a character who never really caught on, for a number of reasons (he was introduced in a TV show, easily defeated by Ant-Man, etc), and was already adequately written off in the Loki season two finale. This is the perfect time/opportunity to move on. Marvel now has a clean slate and an opportunity to rid itself of the stench of Phase Four, early Phase Five, Majors... all of it. No more pandemic, no more strikes, no more Majors limbo/drama. Finally, for the first time in years, they can chart a more purposeful/focused direction toward Secret Wars, with a villain that isn't so scatter-shot (partly due, again, to the pandemic and strikes) and so directly tied to/dependent on the multiverse.
Aren't a whiff and a miss the same thing?
Ha, I meant SWING and a miss.
A swing and a whiff
A bit more from Jeff Sneider's newsletter tonight...
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For a while now, despite Marvel's deafening silence, it has been clear that the company had certain plans in place in the event that Majors was found guilty. I previously said as much on The Hot Mic podcast that I co-host with John Rocha. I said that the next Avengers movie would not be called The Kang Dynasty and that it sounded like Marvel was searching for one writer who ended up being Michael Waldron and one director to effectively tackle a two-part Secret Wars movie that would serve as the conclusion of the Avengers Saga.
There was simply no way that Marvel could continue with Majors regardless of the verdict and once he was found guilty, I'm not surprised how quickly the trades changed their tune and began referencing The Kang Dynasty as Avengers 5. It doesn't matter what they end up calling it Secret Wars is basically shaping up to be "a giant five-hour movie with a year-long intermission," according to one source.
It is the motion picture event that the entire MCU has been leading up to before shifting its focus to the X-Men franchise that Disney landed when it acquired 20th Century Fox. Marvel's Kevin Feige simply couldn't afford to let Majors' cloud rain on his parade, and as soon as the "guilty" verdict was official, plans were put in motion to publicly sever ties with the actor, sparing everyone the ongoing charade of whether he would or wouldn't be back as Kang.
I never thought he was that bad, and Loki didn't really tie everything up. There was the Council of Kangs meeting at the end of Quantumania that really went nowhere, and for all the, "All these other versions of me are coming," talk adding with that, the while arc seems unconcluded. The Kang defeated by Ant Man was just one. The thing about Kang is that there's so many of him, and none of the others were ever explored. They built up this whole, big bad guy character who turned out to be nothing.
Their problem with starting with a fresh slate is going to be building an MCU without Marvel's best IP because they've already used it up. No more Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, GoTG, etc. Their latest and most familiar IP isn't exactly popular and putting butts in seats either. So are they just going to try to start fresh with X-Men and Fantastic Four? I don't see those going over well. X-Men has been done many times, and Fantastic Four has never been very successful. I just don't see this kind of pivot working out too well.
Their problem with starting with a fresh slate is going to be building an MCU without Marvel's best IP because they've already used it up. No more Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, GoTG, etc. Their latest and most familiar IP isn't exactly popular and putting butts in seats either. So are they just going to try to start fresh with X-Men and Fantastic Four? I don't see those going over well. X-Men has been done many times, and Fantastic Four has never been very successful. I just don't see this kind of pivot working out too well.
I dont think this will ultimately end up 'derailing' his career, either.
Its probably actually better for him to not be stuck doing more Marvel movies (not financially of course)
Its probably actually better for him to not be stuck doing more Marvel movies (not financially of course)
I'm sure it's been discussed, but I'm not sifting through 700 pages to see..
What's the consensus in here on the Don Cheadle vs Terrence Howard as War Machine debate? Was Cheadle only competent? Was he an upgrade?
Do any of y'all think Howard was better for that character?
What's the consensus in here on the Don Cheadle vs Terrence Howard as War Machine debate? Was Cheadle only competent? Was he an upgrade?
Do any of y'all think Howard was better for that character?
ABATTBQ11 said:
I never thought he was that bad, and Loki didn't really tie everything up. There was the Council of Kangs meeting at the end of Quantumania that really went nowhere, and for all the, "All these other versions of me are coming," talk adding with that, the while arc seems unconcluded. The Kang defeated by Ant Man was just one. The thing about Kang is that there's so many of him, and none of the others were ever explored. They built up this whole, big bad guy character who turned out to be nothing.
Their problem with starting with a fresh slate is going to be building an MCU without Marvel's best IP because they've already used it up. No more Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, GoTG, etc. Their latest and most familiar IP isn't exactly popular and putting butts in seats either. So are they just going to try to start fresh with X-Men and Fantastic Four? I don't see those going over well. X-Men has been done many times, and Fantastic Four has never been very successful. I just don't see this kind of pivot working out too well.
For the record, I thought Majors was incredible as He Who Remains (less so as Kang and Victor Timely). The character started off so promising, and I was hyped initially. But the way the pandemic wreaked havoc on the Phase Four slate, and then Majors getting arrested just a month after Quantumania released, the character simply never felt like he had any real momentum. That, and the "all these other versions" tease wasn't really much more than a single post credit scene. Otherwise, it was He Who Remains telling us about them in a TV show that not a ton of people saw, relative to the movies.
So, to me, he doesn't really feel like this massive character that was built up for years and years. Weirdly, his ineptness in that sense kind of fit with the overall ineptness of Phase Four (and early Phase Five), and I think the MCU would simply be better off just moving on from that era in as many ways as they can.
As for what's to come, I think you're underestimating the appeal of the X-Men, especially under Fiege. To see all new iterations of those characters, outside of the stuffy Fox universe and under Fiege's care, finally getting to interact with the rest of the MCU, is something a ton of fans have been waiting a long time to see. But that's a slow burn that's apparently a ways off. From now through 2027, we still have all of these movies to get through...
2024 - Deadpool 3
2025 - Captain America: Brave New World
2025 - Fantastic Four
2025 - Thunderbolts
2025 - Blade
2026? - Armor Wars
2026? - Doctor Strange 3
2026? - Spider-Man 4
2026 - Avengers: Secret Wars Part 1 (formerly Kang Dynasty)
2027 - Avengers: Secret Wars Part 2
... plus whatever else Marvel announces to fill out the rest of the 2026/2027 slate. The X-Men will apparently begin to trickle into some of those projects, but it sounds like they won't fully be front and center in the MCU until the second half of 2027, after the second Secret Wars movie.
Andrew Dufresne said:
I'm sure it's been discussed, but I'm not sifting through 700 pages to see..
What's the consensus in here on the Don Cheadle vs Terrence Howard as War Machine debate? Was Cheadle only competent? Was he an upgrade?
Do any of y'all think Howard was better for that character?
Cheadle has been great. His comedic timing is pretty awesome and he just really nails the Marvel aesthetic. Also he did this, which I don't think Terrence Howard would ever do since he takes himself far more seriously.
I'm really looking forward to Armor Wars because so far, nobody has really cared enough to feature Rhodey in any important way since IM2. I'm glad he's been around but he's kind of 9th-wheel in any team-up film. So it'll be good to see what someone can do with him in the spotlight.
dang, that feels like a long time to get to the X-Men
I know FOX used him recently, but Apocalypse would be a great new Thanos big bad. Weave him through a bunch of movies behind the scenes.
I think what the MCU needs is not some super bad guy weaved into every story. I want movies that can stand alone. The best recent MCU movies were GotG3 and SM3. Spide-Man did pull for old properties and nailed the nostalgia of them, but the multiverse tie-in didn't exactly have any real tie-ins to Dr Strange, Loki, and the other properties that have been all about multiverses. GotG3 was its own story that didn't link to much else. It was mostly about a CGI Raccoon who lost his childhood friends. Pretty much as far as you can get from a Thanos.
Make good movies. Make them so that I don't need to watch Disney+ shows or the entirety of the previous MCU films.
Make good movies. Make them so that I don't need to watch Disney+ shows or the entirety of the previous MCU films.
Does anyone else think there's time for Deadpool 3 to address this?
IIRC with rogue one they added the hallway scene with Vader within months of the movie premiering….plenty of time for them to throw in a nod/wink at the MCU issues with Kang in some way….dont even need to address the character directly could throw in a jab/nod at Dr doom at the end cause it's been whispered they were gonna do tbat anyway
IIRC with rogue one they added the hallway scene with Vader within months of the movie premiering….plenty of time for them to throw in a nod/wink at the MCU issues with Kang in some way….dont even need to address the character directly could throw in a jab/nod at Dr doom at the end cause it's been whispered they were gonna do tbat anyway
Isn't that what they've done for the majority of P4 and P5? Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Thor 4, Spider-Man 3, BP2, GOTG3 are all pretty standalone without multiverse tie-ins (at least, from what I can remember). The majority of those just weren't good, but I think Marvel was trying to do what you say you want.
At this point, I disagree. I think it was a fine plan to take a year or two to breathe and produce some standalone stories after the infinity saga. But we're far enough away that I want this stuff to start tying together in a meaningful way. Preferably in a way that goes away from multiverse stuff.
At this point, I disagree. I think it was a fine plan to take a year or two to breathe and produce some standalone stories after the infinity saga. But we're far enough away that I want this stuff to start tying together in a meaningful way. Preferably in a way that goes away from multiverse stuff.
I guess the Marvels is the worst of the bunch (Disney+ tie ins), but Dr Strange, Antman, and soon-to-be Captain America all had D+ shows that were semi-needed to be seen. The movies have just kind of sucked whether it's building to something or not. I guess it just so happened that the best of the last 2-3 years were all films that didn't build towards Kang or a big bad and didn't have a bunch of prereqs besides the earlier films in that series and The Avengers.
Built up to something and link it or not, just make good movies, please.
Built up to something and link it or not, just make good movies, please.
jokershady said:
Does anyone else think there's time for Deadpool 3 to address this?
IIRC with rogue one they added the hallway scene with Vader within months of the movie premiering….plenty of time for them to throw in a nod/wink at the MCU issues with Kang in some way….dont even need to address the character directly could throw in a jab/nod at Dr doom at the end cause it's been whispered they were gonna do tbat anyway
Have they confirmed the comic DP3 is based on? Because if it's Deadpool destroys the universe, they could absolutely resolve this.
While they could I feel like we may get some kind of X-Men easter egg in DP3, it's already the first step into that world.jokershady said:
Does anyone else think there's time for Deadpool 3 to address this?
IIRC with rogue one they added the hallway scene with Vader within months of the movie premiering….plenty of time for them to throw in a nod/wink at the MCU issues with Kang in some way….dont even need to address the character directly could throw in a jab/nod at Dr doom at the end cause it's been whispered they were gonna do tbat anyway
Maybe they have a side X-Men character like Colossus in it or something
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