finished E2, pretty good so far.

Well I'm hooked. Just binged 4 more episodes last night. Or was it 5?

Ruth is becoming one of my favorite characters on TV.

I agree. I'm also just 2 episodes in, but I feel like they might be doing the opposite of what Breaking Bad did.

Walt and Skyler started out both as decent people who were still in a (semi-)loving relationship.

In this show, Bateman and his wife already basically hate each other, she's already banging another guy, and neither shows much of a moral center.

My guess is, after the suicide fake-out, their relationship might improve after they realize they still love each other, and Bateman's character may pull an anti-Walter White and end up as a better character than he started.

Granted that's all pure speculation after two episodes.

Finished S1. Liked it.

Wasn't a huge fan of killing Del off. He was fantastic at creating major tension, and I really liked the respect he had for Marty blended in with his ruthlessness. They could have just ended the season with a Snell/Del partnership and that final scene didn't have to happen. I think the whole police scene at the bottom of the property was lame too. Too quick and convenient that he just drives off in a car they have a search warrant for that isn't registered to him.

Overall, I give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. Which is good. I'll be ready for a S2 should it get renewed.

FYI...

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/ozark-jason-bateman-season-2-netflix-twists-interview-1201859453/2/

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In regard to Season 2, Bateman noted how he didn't want to be presumptuous about a renewal, and he was very happy with how Season 1 ended.

But there are plans in place for Season 2.

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Edit: in this article producer talks about a potential 5 season arc.

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1684660/how-long-netflixs-ozark-could-last-according-to-the-showrunner

On episode 3. This show is what I need in my world void of breaking bad.

chipotle said:

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On episode 3. This show is what I need in my world void of breaking bad.

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And it only gets better imo. Might finish the final 3 tonight.

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chipotle said:

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On episode 3. This show is what I need in my world void of breaking bad.

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And it only gets better imo. Might finish the final 3 tonight.

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Good decision. That's what we did last night. Very sad I'm already through with this series.

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Finished S1. Liked it.

Wasn't a huge fan of killing Del off. He was fantastic at creating major tension, and I really liked the respect he had for Marty blended in with his ruthlessness. They could have just ended the season with a Snell/Del partnership and that final scene didn't have to happen. I think the whole police scene at the bottom of the property was lame too. Too quick and convenient that he just drives off in a car they have a search warrant for that isn't registered to him.

Overall, I give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. Which is good. I'll be ready for a S2 should it get renewed.

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But the scene with the baby at the end. OMG

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Yeah. Even I was a little shcked by where that was going

Dang good show! Binged the whole thing this week while traveling for work. Loved it.

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ya i was actually yelling at the tv going no don't effing do it... I was actually getting angry at a damn show.

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I accidentally read the spoiler above about the baby. If any of the main characters even think about harming a baby, I'm out...as much as I like this show.

Ya I lol when I saw that and my wife said ya I know right before I mentioned anything to her

That was terrible

Just finished. Damn.

Can't wait for next season.

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i like this show but ******* the liberal bull*****! So the mentally challenged kid just goes in and buys a high capacity rifle? What utter bs.

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Yep, unfortunately there is a ton of that if you look hard enough. The violent redneck lake trash had a Gadsden flag hanging in the living room of their trailer...but the "enlightened" protagonist fromo the big modern city worked proudly for the Obama campaign and is a strong supporter of abortion (who just so happens to be named Wendy Davis). Liberals cannot help but virtue signal...even if it negatively affects their pocket book in some cases (See ESPN)...yess I realize most of the hit they are taking is due to other factors). I guess it's to be expected when Jason Bateman has been living in the sheltered liberal elite cocoon since he was a child actor.

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And an automatic at that.

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Every gun is an automatic to most die hard libs. Seriously, I have met libs who think a semi-auto is a gun that has to be cocked before every shot like an 18th century flintlock pistol and that a pistol or rifle that fires with every trigger pull is full auto.


Always loved this chart.

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i like this show but ******* the liberal bull*****! So the mentally challenged kid just goes in and buys a high capacity rifle? What utter bs.

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Yep, unfortunately there is a ton of that if you look hard enough. The violent redneck lake trash had a Gadsden flag hanging in the living room of their trailer...but the "enlightened" protagonist fromo the big modern city worked proudly for the Obama campaign and is a strong supporter of abortion (who just so happens to be named Wendy Davis). Liberals cannot help but virtue signal...even if it negatively affects their pocket book in some cases (See ESPN)...yess I realize most of the hit they are taking is due to other factors). I guess it's to be expected when Jason Bateman has been living in the sheltered liberal elite cocoon since he was a child actor.

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I saw that flag and remarked to my wife. I can understand the liberal bias, but what I don't get is why people can't do some damned research. Out of all the things that pissed me off the most was the fly fishing issue. 1. Those guys were some of the worst casters I've ever seen. And then like said above about how he ties a fly and they FBI agent says "oh you should open a fly shop." Not a few minutes later they are talking about spinning reels. Just do some research.

Also, on the laundering angle, I understand a bit how laundering works, but when audited, don't you have to show where the money came from that was laundered? That is, I've got $50 mil and I put $50 mil in and start to launder it...aren't the feds going to ask questions like "well, I see you spent $100,000 renovating this business...that's a legit expense, but, where did the $100,000 come from?"

Oops

It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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I can wrap my head around how it works with cash-intensive businesses like strip clubs, casinos, car washes, etc. What I don't understand is how it would work with the funeral home they bought, the Blue Cat, and building the church.

I don't understand how they can explain $8m of cash inflow with those businesses either but I can only guess the show doesn't account for the time lapse that takes place very well and that Byrd's role as a financial adviser could be a part of it.

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I don't understand how they can explain $8m of cash inflow with those businesses either but I can only guess the show doesn't account for the time lapse that takes place very well and that Byrd's role as a financial adviser could be a part of it.

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Yeah and the part at the end about building the casino. Do they use part of the $50MM to build it? And if so it's not like they can pay the contractors with a pickup-load of cash? Or are the Snell's (the poppy farmers) going to finance it. I understand once it's built and how the cash-intensive nature of the business makes it easier to clean the cash

Ok, this I do know. Marty uses Del's (shell) companies to invoice for the construction costs. They are then able to pass the overcharges through their other shell companies and wash it out that way. I think it all leads back to Marty 'legit' being an angel investor who is backed by Dels shell companies.

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M.C. Swag said:

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It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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I can wrap my head around how it works with cash-intensive businesses like strip clubs, casinos, car washes, etc. What I don't understand is how it would work with the funeral home they bought, the Blue Cat, and building the church.

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At Blue Cat, similar to what they were going to do with the church, didn't they do minor to moderate capex improvements but bill it at extremely high rates as if it was some crazy big project? I kind of get that concept of laundering, but are fake or shady contractors in on this type of thing or is Bateman creating fictitious invoices etc?

I think when laundering that type of money, you are going to knowingly take small hits here and there and that's just part of the "tax" to wash money. i.e. spend $50,000 to build a small simple church but bill it as a $500,000 project. Basically a $50k charge to collect $450k and make it all look more legit. I could be way off but that's how I understood it.

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DG-Ag said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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I can wrap my head around how it works with cash-intensive businesses like strip clubs, casinos, car washes, etc. What I don't understand is how it would work with the funeral home they bought, the Blue Cat, and building the church.

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At Blue Cat, similar to what they were going to do with the church, didn't they do minor to moderate capex improvements but bill it at extremely high rates as if it was some crazy big project? I kind of get that concept of laundering, but are fake or shady contractors in on this type of thing or is Bateman creating fictitious invoices etc?

I think when laundering that type of money, you are going to knowingly take small hits here and there and that's just part of the "tax" to wash money. i.e. spend $50,000 to build a small simple church but bill it as a $500,000 project. Basically a $50k charge to collect $450k and make it all look more legit. I could be way off but that's how I understood it.

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The Suppliers are part of Del's money laundering scheme (shell companies of Del). They provide legit goods but over-invoice Marty. The overcharged amount is siphoned out of the shell company as "laundered" money. Done repeatedly, they can clean large amounts of money while also building out/operating legitimate shell companies (strip club, bar, etc).

M.C. Swag said:

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Wycliffe_03 said:

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DG-Ag said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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I can wrap my head around how it works with cash-intensive businesses like strip clubs, casinos, car washes, etc. What I don't understand is how it would work with the funeral home they bought, the Blue Cat, and building the church.

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At Blue Cat, similar to what they were going to do with the church, didn't they do minor to moderate capex improvements but bill it at extremely high rates as if it was some crazy big project? I kind of get that concept of laundering, but are fake or shady contractors in on this type of thing or is Bateman creating fictitious invoices etc?

I think when laundering that type of money, you are going to knowingly take small hits here and there and that's just part of the "tax" to wash money. i.e. spend $50,000 to build a small simple church but bill it as a $500,000 project. Basically a $50k charge to collect $450k and make it all look more legit. I could be way off but that's how I understood it.

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The Suppliers are part of Del's money laundering scheme (shell companies of Del). They provide legit goods but over-invoice Marty. The overcharged amount is siphoned out of the shell company as "laundered" money. Done repeatedly, they can clean large amounts of money while also building out/operating legitimate shell companies (strip club, bar, etc).

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The shell company scenario made sense to me with respect to the carpeting being done at the Blue Cat since it appeared that Wendy and Marty were doing that work themselves since there wasn't a legit contractor to do it.

But with respect to the church, how was that framing work being done? Was a legit contractor involved somehow?

It doesn't really matter HOW it was done, as long as there's an invoice and finished product to prove it. Marty did some things himself but the invoices were from the shell companies. But yea, I think the church community was building it themselves.

M.C. Swag said:

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Wycliffe_03 said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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It's a cash business and Marty has his hands in a few other pots. I think the fact they can't prove the money inflow is legitimate is precisely the reason the feds can't really do anything about it. There's nothing to audit when customers hand over straight cash.

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I can wrap my head around how it works with cash-intensive businesses like strip clubs, casinos, car washes, etc. What I don't understand is how it would work with the funeral home they bought, the Blue Cat, and building the church.

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At Blue Cat, similar to what they were going to do with the church, didn't they do minor to moderate capex improvements but bill it at extremely high rates as if it was some crazy big project? I kind of get that concept of laundering, but are fake or shady contractors in on this type of thing or is Bateman creating fictitious invoices etc?

I think when laundering that type of money, you are going to knowingly take small hits here and there and that's just part of the "tax" to wash money. i.e. spend $50,000 to build a small simple church but bill it as a $500,000 project. Basically a $50k charge to collect $450k and make it all look more legit. I could be way off but that's how I understood it.

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The Suppliers are part of Del's money laundering scheme (shell companies of Del). They provide legit goods but over-invoice Marty. The overcharged amount is siphoned out of the shell company as "laundered" money. Done repeatedly, they can clean large amounts of money while also building out/operating legitimate shell companies (strip club, bar, etc).

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Ahh duh, that makes more sense and now I think I remember them discussing this or alluding to it.

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It doesn't really matter HOW it was done, as long as there's an invoice and finished product to prove it. Marty did some things himself but the invoices were from the shell companies. But yea, I think the church community was building it themselves.

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That's exactly right. I remember him saying now it could be like a barn-raising type thing or words to that effect.