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Yeah, no thanks.

If I didn't know any better, I would say this was absolutely the second movie from a director who made a pretty good, but waaaaay overhyped first movie, who thought, because his first movie was such a hit, he could do whatever the hell wanted the second go around, but ultimately lacked the discipline or know-how to truly make all the mumbo-jumbo resonate in any kind of meaningful/skillful way. It was like Peele had the kernel of an idea, and then Universal held a gun to his head to write something on the fly, in order to get it in theaters as fast as humanly possible. This was like the first draft of something that needed another year of development, where someone who wasn't riding the hype train at maximum speed would have otherwise had the convenience of being able to take a step back and rethink certain elements before delivering this thing to the station.

I really do like Jordan Peele, but I'm afraid that Get Out's immense success on his first at bat might ultimately prove to be more of a curse than anything else. This "symbolism" in this movie is like something a pothead in college came up with one night, and then tried like hell to build a movie around. So many half-baked ideas felt like they were from three different movies, and that exposition dump in the third act was one of the worst I've ever heard. The "lore" of this movie is really, really dumb, and either not at all thought out, or needed to be explored in a completely different way, maybe even in a completely different movie, because it just hardly makes any sense at all.

That said, I actually really enjoyed the second act. The first act was a little too long, and kind of vanilla, but once the mirror family showed up, and the cabin-in-the-woods element really kicked in, I was pretty into it. It was a fun horror/slasher thriller, all the way up until that third act, which I thought was just utter nonsense. Get Out worked because it was primarily text with subtext. Us didn't work (for me) because it was far more subtext than text; so much of which felt so stitched together and random. And yes, I've read a few articles on the movie now that explain everything - it's basically what I thought - but man, ultimately, I just don't care. About any of it.
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Liked it, but not as much as I wanted to.

Lupita great, casting great, loved the dialogue and humor. Is this really horror or suspense? Fun movie. So what's the point of chaining across America? Lol

I'm going to think about it while I eat my drunken Wendy's
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TCTTS said:

Yeah, no thanks.

If I didn't know any better, I would say this was absolutely the second movie from a director who made a pretty good, but waaaaay overhyped first movie, who thought, because his first movie was such a hit, he could do whatever the hell wanted the second go around, but ultimately lacked the discipline or know-how to truly make all the mumbo-jumbo resonate in any kind of meaningful/skillful way. It was like Peele had the kernel of an idea, and then Universal held a gun to his head to write something on the fly, in order to get it in theaters as fast as humanly possible. This was like the first draft of something that needed another year of development, where someone who wasn't riding the hype train at maximum speed would have otherwise had the convenience of being able to take a step back and rethink certain elements before delivering this thing to the station.

I really do like Jordan Peele, but I'm afraid that Get Out's immense success on his first at bat might ultimately prove to be more of a curse than anything else. This "symbolism" in this movie is like something a pothead in college came up with one night, and then tried like hell to build a movie around. So many half-baked ideas felt like they were from three different movies, and that exposition dump in the third act was one of the worst I've ever heard. The "lore" of this movie is really, really dumb, and either not at all thought out, or needed to be explored in a completely different way, maybe even in a completely different movie, because it just hardly makes any sense at all.

That said, I actually really enjoyed the second act. The first act was a little too long, and kind of vanilla, but once the mirror family showed up, and the cabin-in-the-woods element really kicked in, I was pretty into it. It was a fun horror/slasher thriller, all the way up until that third act, which I thought was just utter nonsense. Get Out worked because it was primarily text with subtext. Us didn't work (for me) because it was far more subtext than text; so much of which felt so stitched together and random. And yes, I've read a few articles on the movie now that explain everything - it's basically what I thought - but man, ultimately, I just don't care. About any of it.




Can't argue with most of that, though.
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The more I think about the movie, the less sense most of the third act makes. It was easier to accept when it was more metaphorical than when he attempted to explain everything.

Who created the clones? Are they all directly below their tethered counterparts, or was it just the people at the fair? Was everyone om Earth cloned? How did two clones have the exact same children as their tethers? How did they all get red jumpsuits? Etc. Just too many leaps for me.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Great interview. One of the best I've seen in a while.



Scariest part of that video?

That MTV News still exists.
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I agree with everyone saying that the movie was just meh. I wanted to like it so much more due to all the hype, but it was just an ok movie. To me, the best parts were shown in the movie trailer. After the doppelgnger home invasion the movie just kind of fell flat. Great acting though and a pretty funny movie. I didn't find it all that scary.
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If this movie was directed by some unknown movie director besides peele, I don't think it would be getting as much praise and hype.
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TCTTS said:

Yeah, no thanks.

If I didn't know any better, I would say this was absolutely the second movie from a director who made a pretty good, but waaaaay overhyped first movie, who thought, because his first movie was such a hit, he could do whatever the hell wanted the second go around, but ultimately lacked the discipline or know-how to truly make all the mumbo-jumbo resonate in any kind of meaningful/skillful way. It was like Peele had the kernel of an idea, and then Universal held a gun to his head to write something on the fly, in order to get it in theaters as fast as humanly possible. This was like the first draft of something that needed another year of development, where someone who wasn't riding the hype train at maximum speed would have otherwise had the convenience of being able to take a step back and rethink certain elements before delivering this thing to the station.

I really do like Jordan Peele, but I'm afraid that Get Out's immense success on his first at bat might ultimately prove to be more of a curse than anything else. This "symbolism" in this movie is like something a pothead in college came up with one night, and then tried like hell to build a movie around. So many half-baked ideas felt like they were from three different movies, and that exposition dump in the third act was one of the worst I've ever heard. The "lore" of this movie is really, really dumb, and either not at all thought out, or needed to be explored in a completely different way, maybe even in a completely different movie, because it just hardly makes any sense at all.

That said, I actually really enjoyed the second act. The first act was a little too long, and kind of vanilla, but once the mirror family showed up, and the cabin-in-the-woods element really kicked in, I was pretty into it. It was a fun horror/slasher thriller, all the way up until that third act, which I thought was just utter nonsense. Get Out worked because it was primarily text with subtext. Us didn't work (for me) because it was far more subtext than text; so much of which felt so stitched together and random. And yes, I've read a few articles on the movie now that explain everything - it's basically what I thought - but man, ultimately, I just don't care. About any of it.


I completely agree with everything you wrote. I kept waiting for the movie to hurry up and finish and kept looking at my watch. Can't remember the last time I did that. Maybe I was too distracted or something but don't really have an interest in seeing it a second time.
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I went back to see it again yesterday and just enjoyed it a lot more not trying to get into the logistics of the clones. Also appreciated lupitas performance a lot more knowing where it goes. The final scene intercut with the ballet dance was evocative and beautifully shot. The music was on point with the quick stacatto strings
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Quote:

Liked it, but not as much as I wanted to.
Me too.
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There is an idea floating around that Peele is creating a film-universe where Get Out and US exist together. That would mean a trilogy could be in the mix.
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I consider Get Out a comedy, I think Peele enjoys horror movies the same way I do. It isn't being scared.
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Whatever you want to call it, Get Out was a good movie.

Whatever you want to call it, Us was not a good movie.
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Head Ninja In Charge said:

Whatever you want to call it, Get Out was a good movie.

Whatever you want to call it, Us was not a good movie.


I thought they were both good movies.

FYI- stating something as an absolute on the entertainment board when it's really an opinion makes you sound kinda dumb.
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An analrapist giving me tips on what's right and what's wrong. That's rich.
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cr0wbar said:

Liked it, but not as much as I wanted to.

Lupita great, casting great, loved the dialogue and humor. Is this really horror or suspense? Fun movie. So what's the point of chaining across America? Lol

I'm going to think about it while I eat my drunken Wendy's


Anyone else think of Beerfest with the "Hands across America!"
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My advice: don't watch the trailer. Go enjoy the movie.

Loved the movie. I'm not the best at guessing movies. Sadly the trailer ruined the movie... successfully guessed a major plot point about 5 minutes into the movie all because of the trailer.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Great interview. One of the best I've seen in a while.





Lol

Josh Horowitz: "did this idea come from the election of 2016?"


Hi, yes. Mr Peele. Could you please elaborate how the fall of Constinantiople effected you personally to make this movie?

Gtfoh
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Watched it with my wife a second time.

I'm not buying the Adelaide snapping her fingers giving it away. She wasn't horribly off beat.

What I did notice is that Adelaide would "snap" her jaws/ teeth after she killed the table twin and after she killed Red in the tunnel. It was weird, and made me think she was losing her mind, or maybe she was crazy.

While I liked the movie overall, I think the ending bothers us. There are ~300 million people underground eating bunnies and imitating US? I would've really liked the twist at the end being a whole imaginative crazy dream of Adelaide's and she's been institutionalized. Because that would've made more sense.

Albeit, I loved the Good Vibrations murder scene and Ballet "5 on it it" with that base line on that cello literally rocking your face off. Too cool


A second viewing doesn't help much. But cool nonetheless
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West Point Aggie said:

Cool interview until It got political...here's a clue Keegan, America would be just as scary with that flatulent **** at the helm...just differently scary!
Wrong guy.
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Counterpoint said:

West Point Aggie said:

Cool interview until It got political...here's a clue Keegan, America would be just as scary with that flatulent **** at the helm...just differently scary!
Wrong guy.
It's Sagittarius Jefferspin...
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Saxsoon said:


Also the funhouse changing from an Indian (feather) to Merlin 20 years later might just be the most damning comment about American society in either this film or Get Out


Why do you say that? Because people care/respect Native Americans even less now than in '86?
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I liked it. It is definitely very different from Get Out, which was a pointed critique at race in post-millennial America. This is more of an open ended question/observation about what happens when we confront (literally) our worst selves. I know it doesn't all click into place and make a ton of sense, but I don't think Peele is trying to build a mythology, he is just trying to ask the question in an entertaining horror film.

I read this article today, which articulated how I felt about the movie and what I've kinda been mulling over (to some degree) afterward way better than I can. Definitely has spoilers so I wouldn't read unless you've seen it:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/3/22/18275141/us-spoilers-twist-ending-explained-jordan-peele-lupita-nyongo
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***SPOILERS***

Somehow people can suspend belief for superheros, ghosts, and unkillable dolls, but a cloned society is a no go.
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Freaking great movie.

Holy shish kabobs
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As for the criticism, this is not an Oscar worthy film. This is a movie to go see and not overthink. It was well made and entertaining for what it is. I left the theater confused, but in a good way.
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500,000ags said:

Somehow people can suspend belief for superheros, ghosts, and unkillable dolls, but a cloned society is a no go.

This is such straw man bullsh*t. It has absolutely nothing to do with not being able to suspend belief, and everything to do with not explaining the conceit, if even briefly, in a couple additional lines of dialogue. I can believe in superheroes, ghost, and un-killable dolls as long as the reasoning for their existence is properly set up, justified, and makes sense within the world the filmmakers are painting. That, and those things are usually chalked up to some kind of alien or supernatural power we can't yet understand... not the U.S. government.

In Peele's case, vaguely mentioning "tunnels," and then offhandedly saying the government created "tethered" clones just doesn't do it, when it also raises so many questions. So we all have "tethered" clones that live just an escalator ride below the surface, and these clones essentially mirror our movements, follow us underground across the globe, wear comparable versions of our clothes (and have changes of alternative versions of the clothes we're going to wear in the future), can produce life, and have to eat raw rabbits when we eat real food, and OUR government had the ability/technology to create this scenario? Yet the rest of the world is the world as we know it? And no one's ever discovered this until now? I'm sorry, but that's just straight up DUMB. It literally makes no sense, not on any level. And again, I get that it's ultimately just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo symbolism, but when the entire plot hinges on that mumbo-jumbo symbolism, that's where it falls apart for me. I don't need a dissertation, but I do need just a slightly more suitable or believable base from which such extraordinary claims are built. Show me that your world is just a little more thought out than a few vague lines in a bad, third-act exposition dump.
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But someone getting hit by a bus during a worldwide blackout and waking up to find out he is the only one that remembers Beatles songs is "one of the best concepts in recent memory"

Just a vehicle to tell a unique story, and one that is probably allegorical
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Am I supposed to read this?
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The final reveal was garbage

Movie well made and intriguing

I didn't see any actual symbolism, what I thought was going to be symbolism turned out to be totally literal.


When the family is driving in a car above ground, what happens when they make a sharp left?

Do the underground family simultaneously smash into a tunnel wall at 60 mph?
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Complete Idiot said:

But someone getting hit by a bus during a worldwide blackout and waking up to find out he is the only one that remembers Beatles songs is "one of the best concepts in recent memory"

Just a vehicle to tell a unique story, and one that is probably allegorical

Again... it's not the ridiculousness of the concept itself; it's what causes the concept. The inciting incident. I can believe that a supernatural occurrence or one-in-a-trillion solar flare or freak scientific accident or whatever can cause a worldwide blackout rendering only one person left who remembers The Beatles. That's the magic of movies. The cause is "fate" or something we can't grasp or understand, and that's fine. The mistake Peele makes, IMO, is pinning his high-concept conceit on the government and nothing else. If he would have gone just a bit deeper and said they had help from aliens or some supernatural power... sure. It'd still be dumb, but it would have been the right kind of hand waving. The sheer logistics of how it all works still wouldn't make any damn sense, but at least he wouldn't have attributed it to our government - and nothing else - somehow creating this magic technology that produces clones that follow us around in tunnels underground and wear our clothes and have clones of our babies. There's just no world building there. Personally, I would have bought in way more had the clones never been explained, like ATM1876 mentioned earlier. Then we could have at least chalked it up to some higher supernatural power or whatever else; anything other than the vague, "abandoned by the government" explanation we half-got.
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500,000ags said:

Am I supposed to read this?

Sorry, I didn't realize you can't read. Makes sense, though.
 
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