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In reply to c-jags • 12:51a, 8/30/19
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bearamedic99 said:
Anyone know how many issues of the comic the series covers? I'm thinking of buy the graphic novels.

Walking Dead had variation from the comics and did alright.


I just read the entire series online last week for free (and hopefully legally) and it was 70 issues. It's over and done with. Fin.

Nothing majorly spoilerish below but I want to be respectful. Just pointing out series vs comic.

other than the general premise of bad supers and a group of humans to counter them, the show has pretty much gone completely off source material. The Christian Festival was way later in the series and they covered it in the first season. None of the side plots with ATrain, the Deep, Maeve, etc are In the comics.

The variation isn't done in a bad way by any means. It's still a very enjoyable series and honestly better than sticking entirely to the source material.

How they ended season 1 couldn't line up with anything they did in the comics except maybe the final 3 issues.

One thing that's funny is Hughie looks like Simon Pegg in the comics but they casted him as his dad.

I read when it was originally developed years a ago Pegg was going to play Hughie
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5:45p, 8/31/19
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Excellent show.

Can not recommend it enough. Amazing how truthful it is about corporate goons.

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In reply to fat girlfriend • 8:39p, 8/31/19
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fat girlfriend said:
I gave up on the show. The indoctrination is too strong, the contempt to consistent. I went back to watch some Rifleman instead.


Wait, are you taking the storyline seriously???

My take is that the whole damn thing is satirical. Especially the characters.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 12:31p, 9/1/19
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fat girlfriend said:
I gave up on the show. The indoctrination is too strong, the contempt to consistent. I went back to watch some Rifleman instead.


Wait, are you taking the storyline seriously???

My take is that the whole damn thing is satirical. Especially the characters.


I for sure think that it is satirical but the Christian conference was a potshot at what the writer's think those things are like.

I'm a committed evangelical and can laugh at jokes at white people, Christians, conservatives, etc, but I took that episode as pretty mean spirited. It's fine, I really enjoyed the show, and I'm not offended or anything.
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In reply to c-jags • 12:47p, 9/1/19
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I agree about the Christian Conference episode (heavy handed). But for those growing up outside, Evangelicals don't often realize how creepy/over the top they look to other churches and everyone else.


Outside of that, it is perhaps the best new show I've seen in some time. I'm hooked. And if season 2 had a terrible script I'll watch every last one.

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11:21a, 9/3/19
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While parts of that conference were very stereo typical... I thought they really nailed the shame heaped on someone who doesn't hold up to the purity culture... and if you don't keep to that standard... it is best to lie about it so that everyone else can try to hold to that near impossible standard and feel shame if they don't hold up to it and they learn to lie about it to keep up the appearance... often (and in this case) the leaders have the outward appearance of being perfect... but they don't hold to this integrity privately.

Disclaimer... I am a recovering/former evangelical so i enjoy seeing this type of behavior called out publicly
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In reply to gravy97 • 12:01p, 9/3/19
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Very much agree, her "speech" actually felt refreshingly honest in that regard.

And I say that as someone who's spent a lot of time on the ministry side of things and is currently taking some time away from church in the midst of the current evangelical/political intermingling.
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In reply to gravy97 • 12:09p, 9/3/19
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gravy97 said:
While parts of that conference were very stereo typical... I thought they really nailed the shame heaped on someone who doesn't hold up to the purity culture... and if you don't keep to that standard... it is best to lie about it so that everyone else can try to hold to that near impossible standard and feel shame if they don't hold up to it and they learn to lie about it to keep up the appearance... often (and in this case) the leaders have the outward appearance of being perfect... but they don't hold to this integrity privately.

Disclaimer... I am a recovering/former evangelical so i enjoy seeing this type of behavior called out publicly


The purity culture is actually kinda scary and even sinister. I have personally seen far more lives damaged or destroyed by this movement than any other single entity outside of radical Islam. In my day, coming out as a non-believer or other non purist ideal was just as stressful and even dangerous as someone coming out of the closet. The shaming I have seen directed against teenage kids by adults will always stay with me.

To keep this in entertainment, some of y'all may think it is an extreme that the show went to. It may not be prevalent, but it happens.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 2:27p, 9/3/19
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Eliminatus said:
gravy97 said:
While parts of that conference were very stereo typical... I thought they really nailed the shame heaped on someone who doesn't hold up to the purity culture... and if you don't keep to that standard... it is best to lie about it so that everyone else can try to hold to that near impossible standard and feel shame if they don't hold up to it and they learn to lie about it to keep up the appearance... often (and in this case) the leaders have the outward appearance of being perfect... but they don't hold to this integrity privately.

Disclaimer... I am a recovering/former evangelical so i enjoy seeing this type of behavior called out publicly


The purity culture is actually kinda scary and even sinister. I have personally seen far more lives damaged or destroyed by this movement than any other single entity outside of radical Islam. In my day, coming out as a non-believer or other non purist ideal was just as stressful and even dangerous as someone coming out of the closet. The shaming I have seen directed against teenage kids by adults will always stay with me.

To keep this in entertainment, some of y'all may think it is an extreme that the show went to. It may not be prevalent, but it happens.
It's toxic.

America has a problem with child brides in part because of this 'culture'. Parents whose kids were molested by a youth pastor would rather have their kid married to her abuser than have their daughter 'shamed' by everyone knowing she is an impure temptress.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 3:19p, 9/3/19
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fat girlfriend said:
I gave up on the show. The indoctrination is too strong, the contempt to consistent. I went back to watch some Rifleman instead.


Wait, are you taking the storyline seriously???

My take is that the whole damn thing is satirical. Especially the characters.
It is, but like any good satire, it takes truths and pushes them to the extreme. That tends to make people feel uncomfortable, especially if they feel that a part of their way of life or something they really love is being attacked.
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9:10p, 9/3/19
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Yeesh.

If your church is anything like what they portrayed in that episode, then find another church or group to run with. That's been nothing like my experience with Christianity and church. In fact, most Christians I know will be the first to tell you that they're not "pure" or perfect.
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9:32p, 9/3/19
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Its a show. It takes many things and exaggerates them to the extremes. Look at the company. I love capitalism. But I dont think every company or even many, are out there, that take it to the extremes on the show.

Lets get back to discussing the awesomeness of this show.

Has amazon set a release date for season 2?
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In reply to Eliminatus • 9:56p, 9/3/19
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fat girlfriend said:
I gave up on the show. The indoctrination is too strong, the contempt to consistent. I went back to watch some Rifleman instead.


Wait, are you taking the storyline seriously???

My take is that the whole damn thing is satirical. Especially the characters.

For many folks Christianity is a key aspect of their lives. When every.single.depiction. of American christianity is negative or satirical in film/TV its tiresome.

Hell, I what are the two most recent (positive) depictions of christianity in film? Jean Valjeans priest who let him steal the silver and the "priest" in the count of monte cristo?
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10:15p, 9/3/19
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Y'all absolutely missed the point. The entire show is about false idols and the corruptible nature of man. That no person is worthy of worship, whether they're a super hero or a leader of an evangelical movement.

It's not a criticism of Christianity, but rather of the twisted ways people use the message to condemn the people who don't live up to the "standard", because absolutely no one living does. Love the message, love the ideals, but don't use it as a weapon against the people you perceive as not living up to it, because they can't and you can't. Strive for perfection, realizes you'll fail, recognize that failure and strive again. Everyone fails in that pursuit and always will, some have forgotten that they always will. The movement in the show is an example of that and a reminder to Christians that there's only one person living or dead worthy of worship. The message is what matters, not the person or people delivering it.

You start believing that your pastor/minister/priest/community is what you're following then you've placed your foundation on the wrong entity. They're a guide and nothing more. The show says nothing about Jesus, just some of his followers that have lost the thread. The growth of Christianity was built on love and compassion for those who did and didn't believe, not by guilting/condemning those that didn't.

When someone says something negative about aspects of the Christian movement your reaction should be yes, it's true for some, but we all should try to be better.

Disclaimer: Not a Christian, just spent the last year listening to some 1500+ hours of sermons and reading 10 books on the subject and it's a great message and ideal to live by. Working my way through reading the Bible.
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5:06a, 9/4/19
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Good Lord, this thread got waaaaaaay off track. Mods might just need to move this over to the R&P board.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 8:24a, 9/4/19
Seriously. Y'all go have your slap fight elsewhere.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 9:54a, 9/4/19
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FL_Ag1998 said:
Good Lord, this thread got waaaaaaay off track. Mods might just need to move this over to the R&P board.
Really? This is quite a rather civil discussion given the subject matter, I appreciate reading these responses (unlike some other boards I don't ever even attempt to read anymore).
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 9:58a, 9/4/19
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FL_Ag1998 said:
Good Lord, this thread got waaaaaaay off track. Mods might just need to move this over to the R&P board.


Welcome to the E-board as of a year or two ago (roughly when Roseanne got canned).
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In reply to fig96 • 11:01a, 9/4/19
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I didn't say it wasn't a civil discussion, and of course parts of the show clearly lend itself to a religious discussion....but man, lol.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 11:07a, 9/4/19
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Ummm, ok. Not sure why that's so entertaining.

I'd honestly love more of this kind of dialogue here, there's lots of interesting things related to politics, religion, etc. in film that can be discussed if there's a genuine desire for discussion (vs the politics board drive bys that we usually get).
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In reply to Francis Macomber • 11:12a, 9/4/19
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bangobango said:
Yeesh.

If your church is anything like what they portrayed in that episode, then find another church or group to run with. That's been nothing like my experience with Christianity and church. In fact, most Christians I know will be the first to tell you that they're not "pure" or perfect.
I've honestly seen both sides of it, coming from a megachurch background.

There were absolutely some amazing people that had an impact on my life (and hopefully I did the same for others), and lots of churches and ministries do some fantastic things.

On the flip side, as organizations I feel like some churches (or the western church as a whole) have attached far too much of their identity to a political party or certain causes within that. And the internal culture of some places I've been definitely doesn't lend itself to true honesty or admission of mistakes, but rather upholds an often unrealistic standard of conduct that's expected.
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11:13a, 9/4/19
I watched a few episodes on a flight, and it's a bit too thick with the straw man stereotypes of both the religious right (and Jesus is mentioned by name, not just limited to movements/congregations) and some of the more prominent poorly thought out quasi-conservative political positions ("talking points", corporate motivations, etc.). The themes, while they have plenty of high placed cheerleaders, are facile arguments and rebutting/exposing facile arguments is not good storytelling, or at least not very deep storytelling.

Smelled way too much like another series set around the immorality of one type of people that the writers/producers don't like. There's other stuff to it that is compelling, but not enough to get past the patronizing/moralizing by caricature.
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In reply to chimpanzee • 11:19a, 9/4/19
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Everything Seth Rogen has a hand in has to take a swipe at religion somehow, see Preacher, this show's festival, Sausage Party. It just comes with the territory. That said, the only morally exemplary person in the entire show is Starlight, and she's a stereotypical a heartland small town girl as you're going to find. So I saw it as more a swipe at religion than politics. Even so, it was all fair criticism, as you can find nearly all those bad things at any megachurch corporate mindset
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 11:28a, 9/4/19
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Everything Seth Rogen has a hand in has to take a swipe at religion somehow, see Preacher, this show's festival, Sausage Party. It just comes with the territory. That said, the only morally exemplary person in the entire show is Starlight, and she's a stereotypical a heartland small town girl as you're going to find. So I saw it as more a swipe at religion than politics. Even so, it was all fair criticism, as you can find nearly all those bad things at any megachurch corporate mindset
I'm no fan of the Megachurch concept at all, but it seemed like a dead horse in this context.
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 12:10p, 9/4/19
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I actually thought her speech/confession was refreshing, felt like that was written by someone who's been there.

She's definitely the moral compass of the show though.
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12:40p, 9/4/19
Dont you stupid Christians know: this forum is only for blind praise of shows.

No other discussion is welcome.
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Y'all absolutely missed the point. The entire show is about false idols and the corruptible nature of man. That no person is worthy of worship, whether they're a super hero or a leader of an evangelical movement.

Nailed it.
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The Debt said:
Dont you stupid Christians know: this forum is only for blind praise of shows.

No other discussion is welcome.


Your schtick is getting worse than Redstone's.
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2:20p, 9/4/19
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I thought the show was about raping fish
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The Debt said:
Dont you stupid Christians know: this forum is only for blind praise of shows.

No other discussion is welcome.
Your schtick is getting worse than Redstone's.

Uh-oh this board cant take an ounce of self-reflection. Thin-skinned, ma'am?
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spanky said:
I thought the show was about raping fish
I thought that scene was a delightful show of karma.
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In reply to SACR • 4:21p, 9/4/19
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spanky said:
I thought the show was about raping fish
I thought that scene was a delightful show of karma.


Obviously his first scene with starlight was reprehensible, but I've felt back for the guy on everything else since then. Dolphin accident, gill rape, and lobster murder were pretty gut wrenching.
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4:36p, 9/4/19
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Hard to believe people actually like this show.

However, as I learned from defending Zac Snyder's excellent oeuvre against the Marvel fanboyz, this is ... TexAgs.
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In reply to c-jags • 6:43p, 9/5/19
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c-jags said:
Eliminatus said:
fat girlfriend said:
I gave up on the show. The indoctrination is too strong, the contempt to consistent. I went back to watch some Rifleman instead.


Wait, are you taking the storyline seriously???

My take is that the whole damn thing is satirical. Especially the characters.


I for sure think that it is satirical but the Christian conference was a potshot at what the writer's think those things are like.

I'm a committed evangelical and can laugh at jokes at white people, Christians, conservatives, etc, but I took that episode as pretty mean spirited. It's fine, I really enjoyed the show, and I'm not offended or anything.
It's based off a Garth Ennis comic. Same guy who did Preacher and possibly the best run of The Punisher in the 2000s.

The man is an absolutely brilliant comic book writer but is an outspoken atheist who hates organized religion and takes potshots at it whenever he can.

I'm a very devout Catholic, never miss mass on Sundays, and I tolerate all that because his work his so damn good.
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