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Fair enough, and we'll agree that all great shows embellish. But you said they went out of his way to make him refined. He's representative of the 5 Percenters & FOI, especially the type of individuals that were "reformed" by Islam in prison. Brother Mouzone was more of a composite character, representing what prison was producing during the 70s and 80s. There's no history to his arc, but its a given he was introduced to Islam in prison and got woke.

I honestly didnt think Mouzone created all this debate.

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I'm not the only guy who has said that, even on this board. Google and you will find that sentiment is shared quite a bit. I just mentioned it passing here, some became offended, and it became a debate.

Every show has something I would change about it. Even Breaking Bad. But that doesn't mean I think these shows are not great.

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And also the notion that a guy in that position would be a super smart is laughable. At least they didn't have him researching quantum mechanics in his crap-hole hotel room between hits. Stringer Bell being smart made sense. He was at the top of the organization and practically ran the whole thing. He didn't waste his smarts being "muscle" or guarding a building. Even Avon accused him of not being "real gangster". In a parallel universe Bell would be a CEO of some corporation. For Bell that character trait was compelling. For Mouzone it was eye roll inducing.

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That's the point of Mouzone. Malcolm X was a former petty criminal, so how did he get educated in prison the way he did?

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I don't know much about Malcom X, but didn't he turn his life around after his prison time conversion? I think that when people in prison start reading and learning, they typically don't come out and become hitmen. They figure out that they have been making poor decisions and come out and make something of themselves.

I can see The Wire making a guy like Mauzone try to act and be smart, but failing. But if Mauzone really was smart, he wouldn't find himself sitting on a bench guarding a building. He'd at least be running a crew or something higher up. In general, smart people don't go into that line of work. For example, Iceman Kuklinski was one of the most prolific mob killers during the 80s and yet was about as uneducated as a person can be.

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And also the notion that a guy in that position would be a super smart is laughable. At least they didn't have him researching quantum mechanics in his crap-hole hotel room between hits. Stringer Bell being smart made sense. He was at the top of the organization and practically ran the whole thing. He didn't waste his smarts being "muscle" or guarding a building. Even Avon accused him of not being "real gangster". In a parallel universe Bell would be a CEO of some corporation. For Bell that character trait was compelling. For Mouzone it was eye roll inducing.

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That's the point of Mouzone. Malcolm X was a former petty criminal, so how did he get educated in prison the way he did?

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I don't know much about Malcom X, but didn't he turn his life around after his prison time conversion? I think that when people in prison start reading and learning, they typically don't come out and become hitmen. They figure out that they have been making poor decisions and come out and make something of themselves.

I can see The Wire making a guy like Mauzone try to act and be smart, but failing. But if Mauzone really was smart, he wouldn't find himself sitting on a bench guarding a building. He'd at least be running a crew or something higher up. In general, smart people don't go into that line of work. For example, Iceman Kuklinski was one of the most prolific mob killers during the 80s and yet was about as uneducated as a person can be.

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That's all it comes down to. Malcolm X entered and left prison a different person with a goal of righting what he saw were wrongs. To use his example to explain Brother Mouzone is hilarious. If you were that educated, regardless of when it happened, you wouldn't spend your time as for-hire merc chasing down threats to drug dealers. All the guys who gunned down Malcolm X were brainwashed thugs no different than your average gang enforcer.

I think y'all are looking too much into why Brother Mouzone was the way he was. He's just a less than average character written for TV and was to me, one of the worst parts of the show. And when defining "worst", we're talking unbelievable because it was show built on believability.

Here's the list:

- Brother Mouzone (the confrontation with Omar in the dark alley was comedy)
- Hamsterdam
- Red Ribbon Killer
- Sunday Morning Truce

Again, great show. Maybe the best dramatic television show ever. But still a television show.

Malcolm was killed by the Nation itself. Why is it hilarious in your mind? The comparison is that these people learn about Islam and convert. They go through a spiritual awakening, and how the religion is linked to their culture. Some people, understandably, aren't really educated on what the NOI represents in the prison system. Brother is no different than any other person of faith with their loose morals & still preaching the gospel. In Philadelphia there was a crime organization called the Black Mulsim Mafia, an offshoot of the Nation.

Unlike many other characters in the show, either you get Mouzone or you dont. I can understand why some people don't, despite evidence that men like this existed.

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Malcolm was killed by the Nation itself. Why is it hilarious in your mind? The comparison is that these people learn about Islam and convert. They go through a spiritual awakening, and how the religion is linked to their culture. Some people, understandably, aren't really educated on what the NOI represents in the prison system. Brother is no different than any other person of faith with their loose morals & still preaching the gospel. In Philadelphia there was a crime organization called the Black Mulsim Mafia, an offshoot of the Nation.

Unlike many other characters in the show, either you get Mouzone or you dont. I can understand why some people don't, despite evidence that men like this existed.

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I don't know much about Malcom X, but didn't he turn his life around after his prison time conversion? I think that when people in prison start reading and learning, they typically don't come out and become hitmen. They figure out that they have been making poor decisions and come out and make something of themselves.

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I just finished watching Who killed Malcom X on netflix. Apparently it was an open secret in Newark that everyone knew who murdered Malcolm X, and his killer had become a respected person in that community

This is the part of the argument that I don't get.....is that Brother Mouzone was not "believable".

When I first saw the character the first thing I thought of was that they were basing his persona off of the person that was suspected of killing Biggie Smalls.

A Fruit of Islam contract killer. Guys that rappers hire so that bloods & crips don't F with them.

Its not a stretch to see a criminal convert to Islam while in prison, but instead of becoming a Malcolm X/Community leader type.....this guy stays associating with an underworld element....all the while wearing a bowtie, and not eating pork.

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I bet those guys guarding rappers are dumbasses.

And they probably don't have one guy guarding a desired building from a city full of murderous thugs.