Touche. Probably explains why that movie had zero impact on me and why I'll likely never watch it again...
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After rewatching all the movies again, I liked Iron Man 2 and 3 a lot more.
Out of our family of 4, I was the lone vote against CM and we were unanimous for BP.
I do think the overt praise of them (they were both good, especially BP) probably causes some backlash. Deserved or not.
After watching them all in the last month, BP is for sure one of the best. CM I could take or leave. I'm more excited about BW than I ever was for CM.
I do think the overt praise of them (they were both good, especially BP) probably causes some backlash. Deserved or not.
After watching them all in the last month, BP is for sure one of the best. CM I could take or leave. I'm more excited about BW than I ever was for CM.
Having micro-preemie twins born in 2012 put a significant dent in my movie-going and Iron Man 3 was an early casualty of that. I wound up watching it in pieces of Starz or whereve it played the following summer and kept on being convinced I was falling asleep and missing some pivotal scene and that's why I didn't like it, but when I finally sat through the whole thing I liked it even less.
I'm sure it makes me sound out of touch, but I had/have no idea who Guy Pearce is, and he was a very lame villain for me.The Iron Man II ending - CGI robots fighting CGI Iron Men gets carried forward to Iron Man 3 - CGI Iron Legion fighting CGI Human Torches. And the kid, I don't want a kid in my Marvel movies. Especially not a kid who is every bit an awesome tinkerer as Tony Stark, and I just happen to show up at his farm in the middle of nowhere.
But my biggest gripe is casting Miguel Ferrer (RIP) as the slimy guy who is helping the bad guy. He's ALWAYS THAT GUY! As soon as you see him as the VP, you're like, yep, Miguel Ferrer is up to no good. He was that guy in Robocop, he was that guy in The Stand, he was even the voice of the bad guy in Mulan!
It just seemed like not much of a story Post-Avengers. It was like trying to figure out WTF they were doing in Star Trek: Insurrection after First Contact had been so bad-ass.
I'm sure it makes me sound out of touch, but I had/have no idea who Guy Pearce is, and he was a very lame villain for me.The Iron Man II ending - CGI robots fighting CGI Iron Men gets carried forward to Iron Man 3 - CGI Iron Legion fighting CGI Human Torches. And the kid, I don't want a kid in my Marvel movies. Especially not a kid who is every bit an awesome tinkerer as Tony Stark, and I just happen to show up at his farm in the middle of nowhere.
But my biggest gripe is casting Miguel Ferrer (RIP) as the slimy guy who is helping the bad guy. He's ALWAYS THAT GUY! As soon as you see him as the VP, you're like, yep, Miguel Ferrer is up to no good. He was that guy in Robocop, he was that guy in The Stand, he was even the voice of the bad guy in Mulan!
It just seemed like not much of a story Post-Avengers. It was like trying to figure out WTF they were doing in Star Trek: Insurrection after First Contact had been so bad-ass.
Well, shows what I know. BP was down 12 votes at noon, only to come back and win.
Play-in results:
#13 Black Panther 56%, #20 Iron Man 2 44%
#14 Age of Ultron 66%, #19 Thor 34%
#15 Ant-Man 87%, #18 Captain Marvel 13%
#17 Ant-Man and the Wasp 64%, #16 Iron Man 3 36%
Sweet 16 VOTE NOW!
#1 End Game vs. #17 Ant-Man and the Wasp
#2 Infinity War vs. #15 Ant Man
#3 The Avengers vs. #14 Age of Ultron
#4 Guardians of the Galaxy vs. #13 Black Panther
#5 Iron Man vs. #12 Spiderman: Homecoming
#6 Thor: Ragnaork vs. #11 Spiderman: Far From Home
#7 Captain America: The Winter Soldier vs. #10 Dr. Strange
#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Play-in results:
#13 Black Panther 56%, #20 Iron Man 2 44%
#14 Age of Ultron 66%, #19 Thor 34%
#15 Ant-Man 87%, #18 Captain Marvel 13%
#17 Ant-Man and the Wasp 64%, #16 Iron Man 3 36%
Sweet 16 VOTE NOW!
#1 End Game vs. #17 Ant-Man and the Wasp
#2 Infinity War vs. #15 Ant Man
#3 The Avengers vs. #14 Age of Ultron
#4 Guardians of the Galaxy vs. #13 Black Panther
#5 Iron Man vs. #12 Spiderman: Homecoming
#6 Thor: Ragnaork vs. #11 Spiderman: Far From Home
#7 Captain America: The Winter Soldier vs. #10 Dr. Strange
#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Ant-Man and the Wasp over Iron Man 3 is a travesty.
Shane Vendrell is in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Case closed.
P.s. Whoever voted for Ultron over the original Avengers needs to stop drinking on a Monday night.
P.s. Whoever voted for Ultron over the original Avengers needs to stop drinking on a Monday night.
#5 Iron Man vs. #12 Spider-Man: Homecoming is like asking me to pick which family member dies.
Though, this is the matchup I fear the most...
#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
GOTG2 is the better movie on every conceivable level, but I'm afraid too many people will be swayed the stacked CW cast.
#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
GOTG2 is the better movie on every conceivable level, but I'm afraid too many people will be swayed the stacked CW cast.
Civil War aka Avengers 2.5.
To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.
And I've never gotten the hate for Man of Steel.
I'm Macintosh. Kid, will you tell these guys I'm Macintosh?Quote:
But my biggest gripe is casting Miguel Ferrer (RIP) as the slimy guy who is helping the bad guy. He's ALWAYS THAT GUY! As soon as you see him as the VP, you're like, yep, Miguel Ferrer is up to no good. He was that guy in Robocop, he was that guy in The Stand, he was even the voice of the bad guy in Mulan!
I've explained in explicit detail many times why MoS doesn't work for me. Yet I've never really seen anyone here explain why IM3 doesn't work, outside of the Mandarin thing.
The movie sucks outside of the final fight between Stark and Cap/Bucky.
MuckRaker96 said:
#15 Ant-Man 87%, #18 Captain Marvel 13%
On that we can agree.
We've all got our hills to die on.
What am I, chopped liver???TCTTS said:
I've explained in explicit detail many times why MoS doesn't work for me. Yet I've never really seen anyone here explain why IM3 doesn't work, outside of the Mandarin thing.
Brian Earl Spilner said:I'm Macintosh. Kid, will you tell these guys I'm Macintosh?Quote:
But my biggest gripe is casting Miguel Ferrer (RIP) as the slimy guy who is helping the bad guy. He's ALWAYS THAT GUY! As soon as you see him as the VP, you're like, yep, Miguel Ferrer is up to no good. He was that guy in Robocop, he was that guy in The Stand, he was even the voice of the bad guy in Mulan!
&f=1&nofb=1 I like 90% of GOTG2 except for the ending when it becomes Super-Powered Punchfest 3000.TCTTS said:
Though, this is the matchup I fear the most...
#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
GOTG2 is the better movie on every conceivable level, but I'm afraid too many people will be swayed the stacked CW cast.
I honestly hate voting against Far From Home this early. That movie was fantastic. One of the most fun times at the theater I had last year.
But let's be fair, RDJ as Tony Stark in Iron Man is just next level. Like, Heath Ledger as Joker next level.
That's not the type of performance that'll get you any awards, but that man is Tony Stark in that movie.
But let's be fair, RDJ as Tony Stark in Iron Man is just next level. Like, Heath Ledger as Joker next level.
That's not the type of performance that'll get you any awards, but that man is Tony Stark in that movie.
TCTTS said:
To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.
Civil War is great. Take the airport scene out (which is awesome) just watching the divide grow between Cap and Tony is masterful. You completely understand where both sides are coming from, and it's almost painful to see them have such animosity for each other since both characters are so well-liked. It along with Winter Soldier are what turned Cap from a cheesy joke to a truly great character, and what made Infinity War and Endgame work so well on an emotional level.
And this is one of the most epic scenes in the entire MCU
MuckRaker96 said:What am I, chopped liver???TCTTS said:
I've explained in explicit detail many times why MoS doesn't work for me. Yet I've never really seen anyone here explain why IM3 doesn't work, outside of the Mandarin thing.
I'm sorry, but "I had/have no idea who Guy Pearce is" automatically discredits one's opinion.
Seriously, though, I understand not being too hot - no pun intended - on the CGI-heavy third act. But the humor, and the Iron-Man-saves-people-falling-from-a-plane action sequence - one of the best action sequences of the entire MCU - more than makes up for it, IMO.
Sex Panther said:TCTTS said:
To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.
Civil War is great. Take the airport scene out (which is awesome) just watching the divide grow between Cap and Tony is masterful. You completely understand where both sides are coming from, and it's almost painful to see them have such animosity for each other since both characters are so well-liked. It along with Winter Soldier are what turned Cap from a cheesy joke to a truly great character, and what made Infinity War and Endgame work so well on an emotional level.
And this is one of the most epic scenes in the entire MCU
I honestly need to give it another shot. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I seriously can't remember a single scene from it, save for the third act. I vaguely remember Tony trying to get Cap to sign that accord thing, but that's about it. For some reason CW, more than any other MCU movie, just didn't stick with me at all.
I mean if I don't know who an actor is going in, shouldn't his performance on screen ultimately decide whether it's good or not?
I liken IM3 a lot to TDKR - I paid money to see Batman, I didn't get a lot of Batman. And having Pepper Potts suddenly be super powered and completely able to control all of said super powers is just wait for it ... lazy filmmaking.
I liken IM3 a lot to TDKR - I paid money to see Batman, I didn't get a lot of Batman. And having Pepper Potts suddenly be super powered and completely able to control all of said super powers is just wait for it ... lazy filmmaking.
I can understand the love for it, it just didn't work for me on almost any level. There were no major repercussions to any of the fights in the movie. No deaths of consequence, it all just felt like kids playing with their action figures in a sandbox. (The airport scene was fun for a minute, but got old pretty quick when I realized none of it really mattered.)
To me it just felt like a mid-season finale, more of a setup for the next phase than a movie that really stood on its own. It doesn't work in vacuum in the way that the great movies of the MCU do. (Winter Soldier, Iron Man, GOTG, IW/Endgame, etc.)
Nevermind the fact that it was PAINFULLY obvious that Spiderman was literally tacked on at the last minute.
And that's pretty much all true of Ultron, but I do enjoy Ultron just a bit more, mainly cause the villain was fun and the banter between the Avengers was great. (And Scarlet Witch -- need I say more?)
To me it just felt like a mid-season finale, more of a setup for the next phase than a movie that really stood on its own. It doesn't work in vacuum in the way that the great movies of the MCU do. (Winter Soldier, Iron Man, GOTG, IW/Endgame, etc.)
Nevermind the fact that it was PAINFULLY obvious that Spiderman was literally tacked on at the last minute.
And that's pretty much all true of Ultron, but I do enjoy Ultron just a bit more, mainly cause the villain was fun and the banter between the Avengers was great. (And Scarlet Witch -- need I say more?)
Everything you're saying makes sense on paper. Maybe I'm giving Shane Black too much credit. But when it's him doing all that stuff, it just works for me for whatever reason. I see it as all being intentional and fun and wink-wink rather than being lazy.
Parts you are missing out on:TCTTS said:Sex Panther said:TCTTS said:
To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.
Civil War is great. Take the airport scene out (which is awesome) just watching the divide grow between Cap and Tony is masterful. You completely understand where both sides are coming from, and it's almost painful to see them have such animosity for each other since both characters are so well-liked. It along with Winter Soldier are what turned Cap from a cheesy joke to a truly great character, and what made Infinity War and Endgame work so well on an emotional level.
And this is one of the most epic scenes in the entire MCU
I honestly need to give it another shot. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I seriously can't remember a single scene from it, save for the third act. I vaguely remember Tony trying to get Cap to sign that accord thing, but that's about it.
1. Peter Parker winning the Pod Race
2. Falcon and Winter Solider having a contest on who can kill the most enemies (they tie at zero)
3. Hawkeye using sign language to tell Black Widow "You complete me"
4. Nick Fury at the very front of the heli-carrier yelling "I'm king of the world, *****!"
5. Bullet-time scene of Happy Hogan eating a cheesesteak.
6. Activists throwing red paint on Black Panther outside the Accords.
7. Scarlet Witch slowly losing her accent over the course of the movie ala Kevin Costner in Robin Hood.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I can understand the love for it, it just didn't work for me on almost any level. There were no major repercussions to any of the fights in the movie. No deaths of consequence, it all just felt like kids playing with their action figures in a sandbox.
I don't get this at all... what do you mean no consequences? That's the whole point of the movie. Cap and Tony literally hate each other at the end and both are positive the other is wrong. Cap becomes a wanted criminal (along with Widow) and has to go on the run. He sacrifices his life and reputation for what he perceives to be just and for his friend because Cap is loyal... Tony puts some of his own teammates in jail. They are completely fractured, which comes in to play in Infinity War and Endgame. That's what Marvel does, they build it up for the bigger story.
Does someone have to die for there to be consequences?
Begins and ends with the extremis bullsh-t. It basically ruined that whole movie, for me. The finale of just non-stop invincible Killian might be my least favorite thing in the entire MCU.Quote:
Have never and will never understand the IM3 hate
I enjoyed the Mandarin fake out, but that was about the highlight of that movie.
That's...my whole point. They were setting this up for Infinity War.
But in a big ass fight with like 30 people? Yes, someone should die.
But in a big ass fight with like 30 people? Yes, someone should die.
But that's why Infinity War and Endgame are good, and why Rise of Skywalker wasn't. They built out the emotional connections and made you care and understand the characters' motivations. You feel it when Tony tells Cap that he wasn't there, and you remember when Cap called Tony selfish... They laid the foundation. The movie shows why Cap and Tony are both great but completely different in their own way.
And I disagree, there were plenty of consequences. I don't need to see War Machine blow up Scarlet Witch.
And TROS comparison isn't a shot or to start some Star Wars/Marvel fight. It's just the best example I could think of.
And I disagree, there were plenty of consequences. I don't need to see War Machine blow up Scarlet Witch.
And TROS comparison isn't a shot or to start some Star Wars/Marvel fight. It's just the best example I could think of.
All that said, I don't even know if I would vote Civil War over GOTG2... but Civil War is very good
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