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And TROS comparison isn't a shot or to start some Star Wars/Marvel fight. It's just the best example I could think of.

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You won't get any pushback from me. I hated the ending of that movie and it still bugs me to think about how much better Endgame was.

I'm really hoping my second watch on May 4 somehow improves my view of it.

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Though, this is the matchup I fear the most...

#8 Captain America: Civil War vs. #9 Guardians of the Galaxy 2

GOTG2 is the better movie on every conceivable level, but I'm afraid too many people will be swayed the stacked CW cast.

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That's the only match up worth pondering. They're neck and neck for me. Both around 4-7 for me.

Lol

It's not Hulk bad, but it's closer to Hulk than any MCU movie.

Edit: I take that back. It's on par with Thor2, almost. That's the closest one to it.

And as a non Marvel fanboy...

Thor 2 is probably Wonder Woman tier. Hulk is JL tier.

MoS would make the MCU top 5, maybe on par with Iron Man. Shannon's Zod blows away any MCU villain save for Thanos.

Man of Steel is a gorgeous movie with a gorgeous soundtrack. It's my favorite DC movie post Bale Batman by a million years.

Wonder Woman is a strong second, I love watching it alone or with my girls. I don't like them turning David Thewlis into pointless CGI but before that it's a great movie, especially the Trench Warfare scene and her taking out the sniper in the tower.

I'd rather watch MoS more than any Marvel movie outside of Avengers 1, 3, and 4, Winter Solider, and GOTG 1.

I'd put Wonder Woman on par with Iron Man and Civil War and Black Panther in terms of my enjoyment.

The rest of DC is gutter trash. I'd rank Aquaman in the worst 5 movies I've ever paid to see.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Thor 2 is probably Wonder Woman tier

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Your prequel fandom is less confusing than this strange take




As for the rest, Iron Man 3 is terrible. It lost me once he went and got stranded in Tennessee for a while. And I agree Gwyneth Paltrow as a superhero at the end just did not work at all

Civil War is probably a perfect setup movie

I look forward to fighting the good fight in vain for the best Marvel movie, Winter Soldier, in the 2nd round

i'm genuinely surprised that there's this much dedicated MoS or IM3 hate in the same world that we have Hulk and Green Lantern.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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And as a non Marvel fanboy...

Thor 2 is probably Wonder Woman tier. Hulk is JL tier.

MoS would make the MCU top 5, maybe on par with Iron Man. Shannon's Zod blows away any MCU villain save for Thanos.

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Also, after watching all of 20ish of these in a month... Marvel does have a forgettable villain problem.

Shannon, Strong, McGregor, put on better performances than most Marvel villains sadly.

It's not that they're bad acting, they just didn't get much out of Blanchett, Michael B Jordan, etc. because they all died.

And Corey Stahl was the weakest villian in Marvel after watching the whole thing. More annoying than menacing at any point.

I recently rewatched Thor 2 and found it decent, yet forgettable.

Wonder Woman, I straight up disliked in the last act, but Gal Gadot was so great and charistmatic that it lifted the movie. Truthfully, it's probably better than Thor 2, but it was the closest I could think of in the MCU. I couldn't put it at Thor Ragnarok and it's better than Hulk.

Maybe it's Ultron tier, if that's more palatable to you folks.

The MCU villain problem is well documented. Outside of Thanos and Loki, and possibly Red Skull, there just is not a memorable and well-written villain.

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Captain America: the Winter Soldier at #7?

Not even going to bother now; this list is wrong.

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Winter Soldier is #3 IMO. That was one excellent movie.

End Game is no. 1

No. 2 Iron Man 2.

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To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.

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Civil War is great. Take the airport scene out (which is awesome) just watching the divide grow between Cap and Tony is masterful. You completely understand where both sides are coming from, and it's almost painful to see them have such animosity for each other since both characters are so well-liked. It along with Winter Soldier are what turned Cap from a cheesy joke to a truly great character, and what made Infinity War and Endgame work so well on an emotional level.


And this is one of the most epic scenes in the entire MCU

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Exactly this x 100000000.

And you want to talk about unmemorable? IM3 defines that. Hell, I even forgot the Mandarin was in that one.

Thus far the round of 16 is an absolute slaughter. 5 of 8 matchups tracking above 90% for the leader.

I also wonder why even super strong people like Cap want to punch Iron Man in the helmet. It's a helmet. You're not hitting his head. That must really hurt.

On the flip side I never understood why Doctor Octopus could take punches from Spider-Man. He's just got the tentacles that make him bad-ass. He's still just a slightly chubby 50 year old dude getting punched.

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To me, it's on the same tier as Ultron, maybe just a peg above. It just wasn't a very memorable movie after the fact. I honestly can't remember a single scene from it save for Peter Parker's intro and the airport battle.

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Civil War is great. Take the airport scene out (which is awesome) just watching the divide grow between Cap and Tony is masterful. You completely understand where both sides are coming from, and it's almost painful to see them have such animosity for each other since both characters are so well-liked. It along with Winter Soldier are what turned Cap from a cheesy joke to a truly great character, and what made Infinity War and Endgame work so well on an emotional level.


And this is one of the most epic scenes in the entire MCU

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Exactly this x 100000000.

And you want to talk about unmemorable? IM3 defines that. Hell, I even forgot the Mandarin was in that one.

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But keeps IM3 decent for me is Tony. He's brilliant in it. Funny and takes on some serious PTSD. With RDJ as Tony Stark, I don't think a bad movie could be made. He's that good and that character is that strong.

Civil War is my favorite MCU film. 12 characters in that airport battle and pretty much all of them get their time to shine (except Vision, unfortunately, but he had some nice scenes with Wanda earlier in the film at least).

Tomorrow's 4 v 5 battle is where it's at.

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Tomorrow's 4 v 5 battle is where it's at.

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These are not easy decisions. I did a full rewatch before Endgame and scored each movie. I'm relying on it, but the top 5-6 in the MCU could all be #1.

Hawkeye is the glue that holds everything together in Ultron, and I'm not sure people like him that much

I feel bad for Doctor Strange. That movie set a new tone for the MCU with its inception like graphics. It was a ton of fun to watch and is so easy to rewatch. But it has a doomed fate against TWS. And I know I'm in the extreme minority, but I've never thought TWS was as good as everyone else thinks. But I prefer the movies that grapple with the "other worldly" threats.. so the throwback styled fight against Hydra is just not my thing. I was never a comic reader either, so that likely explains it.

I saw a video a while back on YouTube that claimed that Zack Snyder was good at creating "moments" but not "scenes." What they meant was that his movies could have iconic moments, or were visually stunning, but the connective tissue was usually weak.

Taking BvS as an example, you had all these trailer moments that made it into the film - Batman and Superman facing off on the rooftop, Superman engulfed in flames as the courtroom burned down and he had failed, Batman watching in horror as Superman and Zod destroyed the city, etc. Those are big moments. The scenes in between these moments are way less effective. They used an example where Clark Kent is speaking to Perry White at the Daily Planet and the whole scene is about 14 seconds. This is one of those important little scenes, to either build character or move the plot along, and it's like Zack couldn't be bothered to put much effort into it. He's just trying to push us to the next epic moment.

That's kind of how I feel about Man of Steel. There are some great moments with great music, and then there are some flat attempts at moments, like when Law & Order guy gets an epic death scene... but because the scenes were weak, and I don't know that character's name, it really doesn't stand out at all. There are cool moments, visually, like the destruction of Krypton, but since I don't know or care about any of these characters, I kind of just want them to blow up and get to the actual movie. And then there are some head-scratcher "moments" like having Superman snap someone's neck.

Many of the MCU films - and Civil War in particular, I feel - nail both the big moments and those necessary character scenes. That's why fans can geek about Ant-Man going giant for the first time, and about how Steve was sobbing at Peggy Carter's funeral. Or Black Panther's introduction in-suit, trying to kill Bucky, and about Wanda and Vision just... trying to make dinner together.

I remember all the big moments from Zack Snyder films, but they don't always land, because what happens in between big moments is often generic or poorly written. It's more of an issue in BvS than in MoS, but it's why I didn't buy his and Lois' romance at all, and why my patience for his battling Zod wears out well before the fight is over.

Personally I just love the absolute destruction of the city during the Supes vs Zod fight. Exactly the kind of epic battle I want from my superhero movies.

Avengers battle of NY was in this same ballpark as well. I've always had a thing for major city battles on an epic scale.

Comparing BvS to MoS is like putting Attack of the Clones next to Empire Strikes Back.

I feel that most people conflate MoS with the disappointment of BvS and absolute disaster of Justice League.

I still maintain that the BvS (Director's Cut) is a fairly decent movie. Not nearly MoS level, but still watchable, with a solid villain. (I defend Eisenberg in that role.) Even reaching great in small spurts. (ie Wonder Woman's first appearance, with that badass WW theme. If that part doesn't get you hyped, you're just not a DC fan.)

Having said all that, I would easily put Aquaman ahead of either BvS or JL. I know you hate it for some reason, but I just found it super fun. It knew exactly what it wanted to be, and it went for it. Big, cheesy, and fun. Shazam was a blast as well.

But back to my main point. Man of Steel gets dragged down by its two "sequels", which has always bothered me, and I wish they would go back and do a proper sequel to it. Sadly, that's never gonna happen now.