I don't think what she's doing is villainous and I don't think that is the intent with this show. She's created a mental firewall using her magic to protect herself from her own mental breakdown of having to deal with Vision being truly dead. Also, she's doing it to escape from the wider world. She's done this in the middle of nowhere in a small town, so her impact on her surroundings are comparatively minimal.bobinator said:
I'd say the chances it's just Wanda are like 0%.
My current theory is that an as-yet-unknown villain came in to "help" Wanda (huge odds it's the neighbor lady) though to what end I'm not sure.
But with their help Wanda realized she could recreate Vision and a life she dreamed of and she's more powerful than the other person expected and now they're basically trapped there under Wanda's control.
The way explained this to a friend is like a snowglobe. She didn't build it, but she's now controlling everything inside of it.
But the main reason someone else has to be involved to me is that 1) obviously, it seems extremely unlikely they'd make Wanda the "villain" and then 2) the edge of the field, the fact that it's a hexagon, the way it looks and acts, none of that looks like Wanda's powers that we've seen.
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Also, the episode starts out with the FBI investigating a "missing person" case, then we find out this person is in the Witness Protection Program. If everyone inside the town has been "forgotten", who remembered this person and who is it? Or was this just a meaningless plot device to get the FBI to the town?
Could be a throwaway line, or maybe not. Who in the MCU went to prison, and which of their associates would have testified against them? Probably not from the Spider-Man movies, since Sony. Maybe some one from an iron man movie?
Or maybe it's someone who was informing on Hydra?
Or a minor hero that's been laying low since Civil War?
Or maybe it's someone who was informing on Hydra?
Or a minor hero that's been laying low since Civil War?
rhutton125 said:
I think the chain of command post-Endgame is pretty wonky. "An Avenger is in trouble, let's call Captain Am-... wait. Tony Sta-... wait. Black Widow? Nope..." Hawkeye is retired somewhere off the grid. Banner would make sense but it may not be his field per se. I guess they had a bunch of specialists so he's be worth a call.
Fury makes sense but he's also 5 years behind on everything and may already be back in space. (We'll see what he and the Skrulls are up to eventually.). I guess SWORD and the guy that's been in charge for a few years is the best bet.
My theory is still supernatural villain of some type. This is Wanda's doing but under someone else's suggestion IMO.
Is Cap old by this point in the show? Has he even left yet to return the stones. In Endgame, Cap leaves close to the Avengers HQ and battle field from Endgame. You can see choppers and people working to remove debris from the site in the background behind Hulk and the others while Hulk is setting up Cap's trip. When that actually happens is a good question to when the battle happened. There's been enough time to set up a clean up. It could be weeks since the battle actually took place. They also had to have enough time to rebuild a device to send Cap back as Thanos's ship destroyed the original "time machine" and the ugly brown van was destroyed by Thanos personally. That couldn't have been easy without Stark there to help.
Cap would be an obvious choice to connect with Wanda if he is available as he already has a good relationship as shown in Civil War. But even "old" Cap easily could talk to her. Who cares how old he looks. It's still Steve Rogers. And he's even wiser at almost 200 years old (is that right?). Plus Chris Evans is signed back on so it's not out of the realm of possibility to see a version of Cap at some point during this show's run.
Another possibility is that Danvers appears in the show too as Monica has an obvious and alluded to connection to her.
Jesus, there was a leaked screen shot from episode 6 that is either gonna excite or confuse the **** out of people
Or we're going to ignore leaks and spoilers and see for ourselves when it drops.
amercer said:
Could be a throwaway line, or maybe not. Who in the MCU went to prison, and which of their associates would have testified against them? Probably not from the Spider-Man movies, since Sony. Maybe some one from an iron man movie?
Or maybe it's someone who was informing on Hydra?
Or a minor hero that's been laying low since Civil War?
Starlord. And the guy testifieing is the one he stole the leg from.
Just because someone's an Avenger doesn't mean they are capable of handling every situation; especially a situation like this.
Big baddie that is attacking the world? Yes, call the Avengers. The purpose is to kick ass and win the day.
A super powerful ally who has created an alternate reality bubble? What the hell is Cap, Antman, Hulk, Cpt Marvel, Spiderman, Thor, or most any hero going to do about this other than just stand in the command center and wait for someone to figure out how to get in there?
They've already tried to communicate with Wanda, and that failed. Bringing in an Avenger to communicate with her seems useless.
The only hero that makes sense to bring in is Dr. Strange. This kind of stuff is right up his ally. The question is, what level of knowledge does SWORD or any agency have of Strange and his crew? That is something I do not know.
I disagree with a previous poster about every event being something the Avengers should handle. Each movie has addressed that when it happens. Ant Man literally mentioned calling the Avengers, and Pym basically shrugged them off and said they were busy dropping cities on other cities, or something like that. Peter asks Iron Man about bringing in the Avengers in Homecoming, and he said that was below their paygrade and called the FBI. In Far From Home, Fury literally references each hero when Spiderman asks.
When you have to do work around the house, wouldn't it be easier if all your friends came over to help with everything? Well, yeah. But you can handle most things yourself and they have lives of their own with their own problems. When you have to move a fridge up to the second floor, maybe call a friend or two to help.
This expectation that every Avenger is just sitting around to come help with any little thing that happens is sillier than "the Fellowship should have just ridden the Eagles to Mordor." At least that argument is in regards to a possible world ending situation.
Big baddie that is attacking the world? Yes, call the Avengers. The purpose is to kick ass and win the day.
A super powerful ally who has created an alternate reality bubble? What the hell is Cap, Antman, Hulk, Cpt Marvel, Spiderman, Thor, or most any hero going to do about this other than just stand in the command center and wait for someone to figure out how to get in there?
They've already tried to communicate with Wanda, and that failed. Bringing in an Avenger to communicate with her seems useless.
The only hero that makes sense to bring in is Dr. Strange. This kind of stuff is right up his ally. The question is, what level of knowledge does SWORD or any agency have of Strange and his crew? That is something I do not know.
I disagree with a previous poster about every event being something the Avengers should handle. Each movie has addressed that when it happens. Ant Man literally mentioned calling the Avengers, and Pym basically shrugged them off and said they were busy dropping cities on other cities, or something like that. Peter asks Iron Man about bringing in the Avengers in Homecoming, and he said that was below their paygrade and called the FBI. In Far From Home, Fury literally references each hero when Spiderman asks.
When you have to do work around the house, wouldn't it be easier if all your friends came over to help with everything? Well, yeah. But you can handle most things yourself and they have lives of their own with their own problems. When you have to move a fridge up to the second floor, maybe call a friend or two to help.
This expectation that every Avenger is just sitting around to come help with any little thing that happens is sillier than "the Fellowship should have just ridden the Eagles to Mordor." At least that argument is in regards to a possible world ending situation.
Hot take alert!!!!
Look, for narrative purposes of course you want characters to have there own stories, and what I actually said was that the MCU has generally done a good job of working this out.
What we have here is one of their own kidnapping a whole town and messing with the fabric of reality. So yeah, I would expect a throwaway line or two in upcoming episodes about why there isn't more help from other heroes.
Look, for narrative purposes of course you want characters to have there own stories, and what I actually said was that the MCU has generally done a good job of working this out.
What we have here is one of their own kidnapping a whole town and messing with the fabric of reality. So yeah, I would expect a throwaway line or two in upcoming episodes about why there isn't more help from other heroes.
Logistics question:
What happens to all the people who blipped while on a plane, ship, or other moving vehicles? Or buildings which no longer exist?
What happens to all the people who blipped while on a plane, ship, or other moving vehicles? Or buildings which no longer exist?
Well... now you are just asking too many questions!Brian Earl Spilner said:
Logistics question:
What happens to all the people who blipped while on a plane, ship, or other moving vehicles? Or buildings which no longer exist?
Been brought up and your guys guess (seriously..guys? wtf) is as good as anyone's. We've seen people come back in the exact spot they were dusted, but what if that spot moved? Fall out of air or on someone's lap on the same plane? Who knows
DallasTeleAg said:
Just because someone's an Avenger doesn't mean they are capable of handling every situation; especially a situation like this.
Big baddie that is attacking the world? Yes, call the Avengers. The purpose is to kick ass and win the day.
A super powerful ally who has created an alternate reality bubble? What the hell is Cap, Antman, Hulk, Cpt Marvel, Spiderman, Thor, or most any hero going to do about this other than just stand in the command center and wait for someone to figure out how to get in there?
They've already tried to communicate with Wanda, and that failed. Bringing in an Avenger to communicate with her seems useless.
The only hero that makes sense to bring in is Dr. Strange. This kind of stuff is right up his ally. The question is, what level of knowledge does SWORD or any agency have of Strange and his crew? That is something I do not know.
I disagree with a previous poster about every event being something the Avengers should handle. Each movie has addressed that when it happens. Ant Man literally mentioned calling the Avengers, and Pym basically shrugged them off and said they were busy dropping cities on other cities, or something like that. Peter asks Iron Man about bringing in the Avengers in Homecoming, and he said that was below their paygrade and called the FBI. In Far From Home, Fury literally references each hero when Spiderman asks.
When you have to do work around the house, wouldn't it be easier if all your friends came over to help with everything? Well, yeah. But you can handle most things yourself and they have lives of their own with their own problems. When you have to move a fridge up to the second floor, maybe call a friend or two to help.
This expectation that every Avenger is just sitting around to come help with any little thing that happens is sillier than "the Fellowship should have just ridden the Eagles to Mordor." At least that argument is in regards to a possible world ending situation.
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I'm thinking it comes down to the intention of the wielder of the stones. If Banner-hulk's intention was to bring back everyone safely, they could have been brought back in a way that does not endanger them.
DallasTeleAg said:
Just because someone's an Avenger doesn't mean they are capable of handling every situation; especially a situation like this.
Big baddie that is attacking the world? Yes, call the Avengers. The purpose is to kick ass and win the day.
A super powerful ally who has created an alternate reality bubble? What the hell is Cap, Antman, Hulk, Cpt Marvel, Spiderman, Thor, or most any hero going to do about this other than just stand in the command center and wait for someone to figure out how to get in there?
They've already tried to communicate with Wanda, and that failed. Bringing in an Avenger to communicate with her seems useless.
The only hero that makes sense to bring in is Dr. Strange. This kind of stuff is right up his ally. The question is, what level of knowledge does SWORD or any agency have of Strange and his crew? That is something I do not know.
I disagree with a previous poster about every event being something the Avengers should handle. Each movie has addressed that when it happens. Ant Man literally mentioned calling the Avengers, and Pym basically shrugged them off and said they were busy dropping cities on other cities, or something like that. Peter asks Iron Man about bringing in the Avengers in Homecoming, and he said that was below their paygrade and called the FBI. In Far From Home, Fury literally references each hero when Spiderman asks.
When you have to do work around the house, wouldn't it be easier if all your friends came over to help with everything? Well, yeah. But you can handle most things yourself and they have lives of their own with their own problems. When you have to move a fridge up to the second floor, maybe call a friend or two to help.
This expectation that every Avenger is just sitting around to come help with any little thing that happens is sillier than "the Fellowship should have just ridden the Eagles to Mordor." At least that argument is in regards to a possible world ending situation.
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DallasTeleAg said:
Just because someone's an Avenger doesn't mean they are capable of handling every situation; especially a situation like this.
Big baddie that is attacking the world? Yes, call the Avengers. The purpose is to kick ass and win the day.
A super powerful ally who has created an alternate reality bubble? What the hell is Cap, Antman, Hulk, Cpt Marvel, Spiderman, Thor, or most any hero going to do about this other than just stand in the command center and wait for someone to figure out how to get in there?
They've already tried to communicate with Wanda, and that failed. Bringing in an Avenger to communicate with her seems useless.
The only hero that makes sense to bring in is Dr. Strange. This kind of stuff is right up his ally. The question is, what level of knowledge does SWORD or any agency have of Strange and his crew? That is something I do not know.
I disagree with a previous poster about every event being something the Avengers should handle. Each movie has addressed that when it happens. Ant Man literally mentioned calling the Avengers, and Pym basically shrugged them off and said they were busy dropping cities on other cities, or something like that. Peter asks Iron Man about bringing in the Avengers in Homecoming, and he said that was below their paygrade and called the FBI. In Far From Home, Fury literally references each hero when Spiderman asks.
When you have to do work around the house, wouldn't it be easier if all your friends came over to help with everything? Well, yeah. But you can handle most things yourself and they have lives of their own with their own problems. When you have to move a fridge up to the second floor, maybe call a friend or two to help.
This expectation that every Avenger is just sitting around to come help with any little thing that happens is sillier than "the Fellowship should have just ridden the Eagles to Mordor." At least that argument is in regards to a possible world ending situation.
The only reason you'd bring Cap in is that he could maybe talk her down. You're right that this is setting up to be a Dr Strange issue and it sounds like it could happen.
Now, the one thing I would say is that either Wanda or someone has an entire town of people locked up and under some sort of spell or mind control and bringing other Avengers in could be warranted if a threat is perceived to that many people. It's a small town but an entire town nonetheless. And since 2 of the most powerful Avengers are involved in some capacity as well, they too may need to be helped and the best people to help them would be other Avengers or at least someone with enhanced capabilities.
Also, we still don't know who the actual big bad is and while Wanda seems to be the one doing it per Monica, I doubt they rule anything out at this point. At the very least have any available Avengers on stand by.
Well it appears to be real people stuck in there. But also I'm just assuming the show is going to have a villain. It seems unlikely that it's going to end with like someone going in there and giving her therapy sessions.
Hear hear!
I used to read the same thing as a "plot hole" to Guardians 2, that a blob appeared in Missouri and then stopped - and where were the Avengers? Like they investigate paranormal occurrences now.
WV is definitely a Doctor Strange situation but I don't think the governments know who he is. (Edit: Aunt May knew his name in FFH so presumably the governments might as well. But I doubt they have him on speed dial.)
I used to read the same thing as a "plot hole" to Guardians 2, that a blob appeared in Missouri and then stopped - and where were the Avengers? Like they investigate paranormal occurrences now.
WV is definitely a Doctor Strange situation but I don't think the governments know who he is. (Edit: Aunt May knew his name in FFH so presumably the governments might as well. But I doubt they have him on speed dial.)
I also think now that they know Wanda is in there that another Avenger is going to have to show up or it's going to be weird. Not because of the size of the problem, but because it's one of them in there.
Is it strange to anyone else that Woo, or anyone else for that matter, didn't try to enter the town? I know he said it felt like he wasn't supposed to but come on, seems like a cheap reason not to.
I assume the bad feeling Woo had was Wanda or whoever, so I don't find it that strange. Maybe Woo wasn't mentally strong enough to overcome it but Rambeau was or whatever.
Bit late to the party but that last ep was awesome, love the change in tone and connection back to the "normal" MCU.
My money is on Doctor Strange showing up at some point and WandaVision somehow setting up some events of Multiverse of Madness.
My money is on Doctor Strange showing up at some point and WandaVision somehow setting up some events of Multiverse of Madness.
I know the show drops in the middle of the night, but come on. Monica said there was some kind of field, then she touched it and Woo watched her get sucked in. That's why they tried sending the beekeeper through the tunnel, and the drones.Drawkcab said:
Is it strange to anyone else that Woo, or anyone else for that matter, didn't try to enter the town? I know he said it felt like he wasn't supposed to but come on, seems like a cheap reason not to.
Love it
Harry Lime said:I know the show drops in the middle of the night, but come on. Monica said there was some kind of field, then she touched it and Woo watched her get sucked in. That's why they tried sending the beekeeper through the tunnel, and the drones.Drawkcab said:
Is it strange to anyone else that Woo, or anyone else for that matter, didn't try to enter the town? I know he said it felt like he wasn't supposed to but come on, seems like a cheap reason not to.
I was talking about going in before he even brought Monica on board. She even acted surprised nobody had entered.
At barely 20 minutes an episode, there isn't really time for any more explication of individual character decisions than they've already built into and illustrated in the show.
But I really think certain posters - not naming any names here - are just trying hard not to admit that they were falling asleep and missed some things in the episode. "Hey, how come one minute they're in the SWORD headquarters, and the next minute they're in Heldenfels and there's a final exam for a calc class I haven't been to all semester. That doesn't make any sense; why wouldn't they just call in the Avengers instead of calling me into an exam for a class I thought I dropped within the first three weeks? That's dumb."
But I really think certain posters - not naming any names here - are just trying hard not to admit that they were falling asleep and missed some things in the episode. "Hey, how come one minute they're in the SWORD headquarters, and the next minute they're in Heldenfels and there's a final exam for a calc class I haven't been to all semester. That doesn't make any sense; why wouldn't they just call in the Avengers instead of calling me into an exam for a class I thought I dropped within the first three weeks? That's dumb."
He never said it did not let him, just that it didn't want him to. I got the impression he didn't even try. Who knows though? I guess it doesn't matter.
Another thing, how did that lady who found the television signal recognize Vision in his Paul Bettany form? For that matter, how many people on the planet even know him in his Vision form? Again, doesn't really matter. Just something that popped in my head.
Another thing, how did that lady who found the television signal recognize Vision in his Paul Bettany form? For that matter, how many people on the planet even know him in his Vision form? Again, doesn't really matter. Just something that popped in my head.
If Woo did try it, we'd be saying "why'd this idiot with no supernatural experience go up and touch the scary magical bubble?"
Yeah, that was an odd moment. Here, let me stick my hand in the weird energy bubble that eats drones.
I'm loving the show though - it's the good kind of weird so far!
I'm loving the show though - it's the good kind of weird so far!
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Logistics question:
What happens to all the people who blipped while on a plane, ship, or other moving vehicles? Or buildings which no longer exist?
The fact that anyone that was un-blipped didn't return into the vacuum of space could suggest an intelligence to the return, as they clearly didn't return to the same point in space given Earth's orbit.
israeliag said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
Logistics question:
What happens to all the people who blipped while on a plane, ship, or other moving vehicles? Or buildings which no longer exist?
The fact that anyone that was un-blipped didn't return into the vacuum of space could suggest an intelligence to the return, as they clearly didn't return to the same point in space given Earth's orbit.
What about the people that unblipped at a crosswalk with now moving traffic.
Or in an occupied bathroom stall.
Or in an occupied bathroom stall.
Unsnapped in your bedroom with your now remarried spouse who you interrupt in the act.
The snap happened while you were on an airplane in the air. But between snap and unsnap the plane was scrapped for parts, crashed, etc.
Snapped while digging a sewer conduit. Unsnapped, the conduit is finished and full.
The list of possibilities is endless.
The snap happened while you were on an airplane in the air. But between snap and unsnap the plane was scrapped for parts, crashed, etc.
Snapped while digging a sewer conduit. Unsnapped, the conduit is finished and full.
The list of possibilities is endless.
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