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8:25p, 1/15/22
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Saw it tonight. Agree that it's not great, but it's far from terrible like some are saying. Many have already said what makes it not great: too much story and too many characters. Imagine trying to tell the story of the Loki series in a single movie, and it doesn't even have as many primary characters as this.

I'm interested to see how they incorporate the Eternals going forward, and I'm even more excited for Blade and Black Knight.
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9:25p, 1/15/22
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Well that sucked.
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9:51p, 1/15/22
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I liked the movie, but it needed about 20 minutes cut and some humor.
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10:12p, 1/15/22
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Yeah I actually thought this was okay, but I came in with real low expectations based on the reviews.

One thing I'll say is I thought it was beautifully shot, like the scenery and spectacle of it was distracting from a meh plot.
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In reply to israeliag • 10:48p, 1/15/22
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israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.

Regarding the movie, I thought it was better than i expected although it's clearly mixed overall. Doubt I will watch it again.

I loved Makkari. Agree with someone else....that's how you do a speedster. She was awesome.

Was massively thrown by Phastos saying humanity can't be saved and then he's married with an adopted kid. What? That was illogical. And I always shake my head at the lamentations of Hiroshima. Japan attacked us first. Don't start something you can't finish.

I think the ongoing challenge marvel is going to have with introducing the cosmic phase is the sheer scale and power gaps. We've been told that Kang the Conqueror is the next antagonist yet we have celestial beings out there as big as Jupiter planting babies in all the planets. How do you remotely reconcile some of this stuff.

And introducing Black Knight in this was extremely random. Wife thought that was Fury at end but I guess it's not?

Anyway, onto the next one.
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In reply to YouBet • 11:05p, 1/15/22
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YouBet said:

I loved Makkari. Agree with someone else....that's how you do a speedster. She was awesome.


Except where the actress said that Makkari is faster than The Flash because her character can run faster than the speed of sound.

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Okay, so this is a conversation I had with my son. When he first found out that I was going to be the fastest woman in the universe he said, 'No you're not.' He brought over his laptop and looked into the computer and said, 'Look! It's true! Flash is faster than Makkari.' But I'm sure Makkari...because she travels faster than the speed of sound.


https://screenrant.com/eternals-lauren-ridloff-makkari-flash-speed-debate-response/amp/
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In reply to YouBet • 7:57a, 1/16/22
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YouBet said:
israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.


I think they were just saying the names sound like Fast and Make.
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In reply to AgfromHOU • 8:32a, 1/16/22
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AgfromHOU said:
YouBet said:

I loved Makkari. Agree with someone else....that's how you do a speedster. She was awesome.


Except where the actress said that Makkari is faster than The Flash because her character can run faster than the speed of sound.

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Okay, so this is a conversation I had with my son. When he first found out that I was going to be the fastest woman in the universe he said, 'No you're not.' He brought over his laptop and looked into the computer and said, 'Look! It's true! Flash is faster than Makkari.' But I'm sure Makkari...because she travels faster than the speed of sound.


https://screenrant.com/eternals-lauren-ridloff-makkari-flash-speed-debate-response/amp/


Ha. That's funny.
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In reply to tomtomdrumdrum • 9:27a, 1/16/22
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tomtomdrumdrum said:
YouBet said:
israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.


I think they were just saying the names sound like Fast and Make.
Yeah, when I was watching and they said "We need to find Phastos" I thought they were going to look for the speedster

edit: I realize how stupid that sounds, now
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In reply to tomtomdrumdrum • 9:32a, 1/16/22
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tomtomdrumdrum said:
YouBet said:
israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.


I think they were just saying the names sound like Fast and Make.
I guess I can see that...if you have zero knowledge of the Greek Olympian Gods.
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9:57a, 1/16/22
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And I always shake my head at the lamentations of Hiroshima. Japan attacked us first. Don't start something you can't finish.
Fits right in with the perspective many in our society share that the United States is a bad place. I agree, don't start what you can't finish.
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10:03a, 1/16/22
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Putting Hiroshima in there was just another checkbox
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In reply to YouBet • 10:05a, 1/16/22
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And introducing Black Knight in this was extremely random. Wife thought that was Fury at end but I guess it's not?

It was Mahershala Ali (Blade)
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In reply to redline248 • 11:59a, 1/16/22
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Every Disney property nowadays is obviously ticking boxes but this film is chock full of them. Those poor peaceful natives were fine until the evil Europeans and their technology!
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In reply to tomtomdrumdrum • 12:16p, 1/16/22
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tomtomdrumdrum said:
YouBet said:
israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.


I think they were just saying the names sound like Fast and Make.

Makkari's name is based on Mercury, the Roman god who has super speed.

Phastos's name is based on Hephaestus, the Greek god of fire and the forge. A weapons maker.
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In reply to Decay • 12:44p, 1/16/22
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Decay said:
Every Disney property nowadays is obviously ticking boxes but this film is chock full of them. Those poor peaceful natives were fine until the evil Europeans and their technology!
Noble Savage theory to the extreme in this.
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In reply to YouBet • 4:16p, 1/16/22
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YouBet said:
Decay said:
Every Disney property nowadays is obviously ticking boxes but this film is chock full of them. Those poor peaceful natives were fine until the evil Europeans and their technology!
Noble Savage theory to the extreme in this.


You got it wrong, they were showing the Europeans bringing some freedom to the Aztecs.
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In reply to Aggie87 • 5:55p, 1/16/22
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Aggie87 said:
tomtomdrumdrum said:
YouBet said:
israeliag said:

Edit for another random thought that just popped in my head: how come Phastos was the one that could make stuff, and Makkari was the fast one, and not the other way around?


Extremely confused. You think the fat black guy should have been a speedster? Phastos made stuff because he was based on Hephaestus the greek god of blacksmiths and crafting stuff. Just like Thena was based on Athena the goddess of war. Or actually vice versa in the MCU.


I think they were just saying the names sound like Fast and Make.

Makkari's name is based on Mercury, the Roman god who has super speed.

Phastos's name is based on Hephaestus, the Greek god of fire and the forge. A weapons maker.
And Sprite was named after the drink, right?
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11:42p, 1/17/22
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Was definitely a lower tier Marvel movie, but didn't think it was as bad as I gathered from the little reactions I heard.

The box ticking stuff was eyeroll inducing. And Hiroshima? That's their go-to travesty of WWII? I can think of 6 million other travesties I would put above. Not one that followed a warning and request for surrender, and also probably saved more lives than lost.

But I get it... we Americans are just colonizers and every thing we do must be inherently evil because... you know... white straight male. How about our Chinese director and China loving Mouse instead have him sit in the middle of current day China where there is active genocide being committed?

I also agree that the power gap is going to get hard to understand. How many Celestials are there? who was the first? Is there a hierarchy? Are they different from Ego? Can we just plant a bomb on their head and blow them up?

I'm a huge fantasy nerd, and even I am going to start getting tired of all the cosmic stuff, eventually.

Lastly... i'm pretty sure a Celestial even getting out of the Earth that much would have basically destroyed this planet. Any geologists on this board who could give some insight?
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In reply to Lathspell • 11:50p, 1/17/22
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Yeah. The thing is supposed to be in the core and he rips all the way through the crust?
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In reply to [removed post] • 11:55p, 1/17/22
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Congrats. You are smart.
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In reply to Lathspell • 6:49a, 1/18/22
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There is a rough hierarchy in Marvel. I'm just not versed enough to know if it's being adhered to in the MCU. As it stands, the celestials are the most powerful entities we've seen thus far* but there are a few higher than them.

* What's confusing is once you factor the creature mentioned behind the multiverse which seems to be some all consuming thing or someone like Kang the Conquerer who owns time. Do they trump this god celestial in Eternals? Don't know.

C@LAg would know.
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7:31a, 1/18/22
That movie sucked, which meant it committed the ultimate sin: it was a terrible evangelist for the new civic religion.
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In reply to redline248 • 8:31a, 1/18/22
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redline248 said:
Yeah. The thing is supposed to be in the core and he rips all the way through the crust?
That would have torn earth apart. Complete destruction, no question.

That's way down on my list of issues with the movie.
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8:32a, 1/18/22
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So could Thanos have snapped all the Celestials out of existence?
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In reply to Decay • 8:42a, 1/18/22
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Decay said:
redline248 said:
Yeah. The thing is supposed to be in the core and he rips all the way through the crust?
That would have torn earth apart. Complete destruction, no question.

That's way down on my list of issues with the movie.
Yeah, it was one of those things where I thought about it and smiled at the ridiculousness and then went "eh whatever."
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 9:20a, 1/18/22
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OnlyForNow said:
So could Thanos have snapped all the Celestials out of existence?
considering that they are apparently all machines, i would guess not. But I am not sure how that works, b/c they obviously eat, sleep, drink, ****, so who knows....
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 10:22a, 1/18/22
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TexasAggie_02 said:
OnlyForNow said:
So could Thanos have snapped all the Celestials out of existence?
considering that they are apparently all machines, i would guess not. But I am not sure how that works, b/c they obviously eat, sleep, drink, ****, so who knows....
The Eternals are "machines" in the MCU. The Celestials are not.

In the comics, the Eternals are not machines and are genetically engineered humans the Celestials created.
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In reply to YouBet • 11:54a, 1/18/22
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Sorry, misread and was thinking of eternals instead of celestial
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12:30p, 1/18/22
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I doubt the celestials could have been snapped. They are basically Gods. Not a "God" like Thor that isn't really a god, but actual Gods and beyond life.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 2:23p, 1/18/22
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What was Ego again?
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 2:25p, 1/18/22
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OnlyForNow said:
What was Ego again?
He calls himself a celestial, though seems completely different from the ones we see.
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2:33p, 1/18/22
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Star Lord (half celestial-ish) got dusted. But yeah, it doesnt seem like Ego was really one.
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