As crazy as Tori was early in the year, it was a real bummer she didn't throw out that they were only voting for her because she was white.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they're saying Rox went because he's black, but rather that because 2 of the 4 black players just went, I CAN'T go here and that's some pressure that the other players don't have to carry.

Glad they both played their idols so that it didn't directly influence the votes (so to speak). Like if you really wanted Dreya out but she scared you out of it via the race issue - well let's take that off the table entirely.

I hate any time they skip the vote, because that puts a different pressure on you that's kinda anti-Survivor (ie. maybe Lyndsey could have gotten enough votes but as soon as Dreya says Tori, Maryanne is really disincentivized to start whispering or signaling to pull someone else onto Lyndsey).

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They 100% said Rocks went out because he was black, made false statements that blacks always get booted first (first 9 or so were non-black, and historically this is not a thing in survivor), and they literally said there is a "subconscious racism" or something that leads people to vote out blacks (rocks and drea both voted our black channel).

God forbid a minority gets voted out because they suck at the game. Been watching Survivor the last 15 years and about had it between that and the LGBTQ bs. Not sure I will be tuning in next season.

I'm not sure if Probst loves it or not, I think he's just trying to avoid getting the Chris Harrison treatment.

Jonathan is such a beast.

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Jonathan is such a beast.

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I know the dude makes his life on the water, but being able to balance on that little platform at his size is nuts.

Going to his hometown of Gulf Shores this summer. If we see him, going to have him carry our car from the hotel to the beach and back.

I just didn't see the episode like a lot of people saw it. Sure, I eyerolled during some of it (which I expected before the season because this is happening directly after season 41) but it wasn't as bad as lot of people are making it. If it is enough for you to stop watching the show, then you probably had two feet out of the door and weren't going to continue watching it anyway.

You might not like the way Drea reacted in that tribal but she was right about the fact that she needed to use her idol that night because she didn't want to be the next one out which she was going to be if she didn't play it. I know she mentioned Chanelle but what triggered her reaction was Rocksroy being taken out. She had every reason to be shocked because in her eyes, they had a solid 7 (Omer, Hai, Mike, Rocks, Lindsay, Jonathan and Drea), they were separated to the point where they had the majority in both groups plus Hai and Romeo (the only one in the other group who wasn't in her alliance) were not getting along before they split into two groups. There is no reason to think there would be anyone else sitting next to Chanelle but Romeo. If there is one person in that alliance who would never turn on her or the alliance, it would be Rocksroy because he was the only one who was loyal in their original tribe but what Drea doesn't know is he was most loyal to the guys alliance that he "assembled" earlier in the day.

I believe if the groups went in reverse, Rocksroy might be surprised to see Drea voted out over Tori but I don't think he is bothered as much because his #1 alliance would not have been affected like Drea's was.

Since Drea was going to use her idol, Maryanne had no choice but to use hers . I know they brought up race and in the past some of what they said was true but I don't think they were saying Chanelle was voted out because she was black because some have said, Drea was in on it and Maryanne was in on getting Drea out but after seeing Rocks surprisingly out over Romeo and how Drea reacted, what else is she going to do? Maryanne has already shown us she is very emotional. Look how she reacted when Jackson was going home. I think she felt bad at that point to vote out Drea right there which isn't possible anyway because she said she was going to play her idol. I am really curious if Drea was playing from a position of strength dropping her idol like that because losing that idol doesn't do anything. She can steal Mike's idol whenever she feels like it at this point. Tori was voted out because she was on the outs due to the face she was too loyal to Swahi which is the only reason why Tori was trying to get Drea out in the first place.

I said it last season and this season makes me feel like it's true even though some disagree. Alliances based on race is no different than alliances based on sex. It doesn't make them racist or sexist. In the end, the alliance will not survive in a game like Survivor based on either sex or race alone. If they don't get along socially, they will turn on each other and drop like flies one by one. It is why girls' alliances rarely work in the game and why Rocksroy's guy alliance ended so quickly because of what Omer said. He had no connection with Rocksroy so there is no point in aligning with him just because he is a guy, especially since he had better options while Rocks had none.

I hated to see Tori go out like that though. She made some mistakes in the game but some of the reasons why she wasn't trusted weren't completely her fault but i guess that's the game. I wasn't a fan of Rocksroy and he 100% is the reason why he got voted out.

Background. I've never watched a full season of survivor until I found out paramount+ had them. So I binged season 30 to understand the show before getting into this one "live". I'm a white guy. Classically Fairly middle of the road which paints me as a right wing extremist these days.

I thought Drea's and Maryann's talk and idol move was fairly powerful. That actually seemed like Drea's first true emotion on the show. Maryann came off has incredibly poignant.


Anyway Tori is gone and that's a great thing. I never liked her from the beginning. I'm a therapist and I know people except myself.

Great episode, great tribal.

Man Romeo sucks.

I think it goes Omar > Lindsay > Jonathan > Mike >> Maryanne >>>> Romeo. Romeo is going to be sitting up there with two strong players.

So, after Tribal last night, everyone was all lovey dovey and smiling. They had a big love fest and Drea got to visit and hug everybody, chat with other players, make jokes with Jeff and everything is just a fun game ( as emphasized by Jeff), something that never happens at Tribal; usually it's a word or two and "The tribe has spoken - goodbye!" a far cry from the animosity and race baiting from last week when Drea complained about Blacks getting voted out early saying she couldn't vote out another Black person. Maryanne claimed the same thing but ironically, Maryanne voted Drea out this week!!