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StinkyPinky said:

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I agree, shame its coming to an end. Some of the best television ever made. They found the magic with this one.

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Decided to dump all their money into RoP

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Well, theoretically I can see where RoP would be expected to have a longer reach and wider target audience. Problem is based on execution and quality they should have focused on MMM instead.

StinkyPinky said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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StinkyPinky said:

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I agree, shame its coming to an end. Some of the best television ever made. They found the magic with this one.

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Decided to dump all their money into RoP

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Well, theoretically I can see where RoP would be expected to have a longer reach and wider target audience. Problem is based on execution and quality they should have focused on MMM instead.

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Problem with RoP is that the market for streaming doesn't really have the unrealized consumer spending to justify the budget. There's not enough consumers who haven't entered the market or who are willing to spend more in the market. US streaming market is at $40 billion in revenue, so the expectation that people are going to dump another billion or so into it for the show to just break even isn't very realistic. International markets aren't going to invest themselves into an English language show when Netflix is pumping out and focusing on international content in native languages. At this point, people are often spending as much on streaming as they did on cable and some are starting to cut back. They're not going to go out and get a Prime subscription for a single show in the huge numbers (more than 5-7 million) necessary to justify RoP unless it is the greatest thing ever put onto film.

MMM didn't cost anything near what RoP did, but it brought plenty of eyeballs and award recognition. It had a proven track record justifying it's budget.

Honestly, Amazon seems completely lost in how to fund and greenlight projects. They've dumped serious money into some series that were ultimately forgettable or downright bad while not having any huge successes beyond MMM. A lot of their media choices (including prime music) just make no sense.

I didn't notice from the flash forward- were any of Midge's husbands famous?

We were very excited about the start of the new season. Finished the first three episodes Sunday night. So far so good, but that flash forward stuff is enough of a departure from the usual storytelling to be a bit dampening to the momentum.

And yeah, it's a little darker in tone/outlook. Still, it's one of the best shows ever made by a mile. Can't believe my good fortune to be enjoying this and The Mandalorian at the same time.

I don't know about husbands, but definitely boyfriends

ABATTBQ11 said:

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I don't know about husbands, but definitely boyfriends

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I thought the flash forward during the Mike Wallace interview showed her husbands. Maybe I'm wrong.

Who was Gordon Ford's wife? When Susie saw the picture on his desk she looked shocked. We're we supposed to recognize her?

I wondered the same thing, but I chalked it up to her realizing that was Gordon's awesome office and getting worried she'd be busted.

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Who was Gordon Ford's wife? When Susie saw the picture on his desk she looked shocked. We're we supposed to recognize her?

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Susie spotted her in the hallway after getting kicked off the set of the Gordon Show in episode 1, and she had a similar reaction. I am guessing they have some kind of romantic past given Gordon's comments when he was coming on to Midge re: "She's not that kind of wife".

Hudson2508 said:

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Just rewatched the final scene in Carnegie from last season to get hyped for this season…..*********that scene is brilliant.

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We finally got caught up tonight. Took us a few extra days because we were finishing up our rewatch.

And yeah, the S4 finale was incredible. The Carnegie Hall bits along with the hospital drama are just incredible. The interplay between Moishe and Abe with the obituary is one of my favorite scenes in any show I've seen recently.

Solid start really like this show.

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The Milkman said:

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Who was Gordon Ford's wife? When Susie saw the picture on his desk she looked shocked. We're we supposed to recognize her?

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Susie spotted her in the hallway after getting kicked off the set of the Gordon Show in episode 1, and she had a similar reaction. I am guessing they have some kind of romantic past given Gordon's comments when he was coming on to Midge re: "She's not that kind of wife".

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I did some poking around on the Googlez. I think you're on the right track.

Well, suspicians confirmed.

Susie has always been a little surprising and left you thinking there's more to her than meets the eye. Remember when she played the Weissman's piano and tuned it for them?

I laughed so hard in that scene

Sooo… there's several main characters that haven't been mentioned in any of the flash forwards yet. Should we be worried about this?

jeffk said:

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Sooo… there's several main characters that haven't been mentioned in any of the flash forwards yet. Should we be worried about this?

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It looks like we get another flash-forward this week

I wonder (again) with the flash-forwards if they'll explore Lenny Bruce's death at all?

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Another good episode this week, but I was confused as to how Susie got so busy all of the sudden, with so many potential clients wanting her to rep them. Is there something I'm forgetting?

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Yeah, because according to something Joel had said it had only been a couple of months since the waste management gig. I don't know what might have happened in between.

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I was wondering the same thing too. Felt like we missed something.

I'm guessing Joel goes down when the gambling parlor beneath the Button Club gets raided?

The explanation of what happened on the boat had me rolling.
"So I'm a pirate now."

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I seriously doubt he spends 25+ years in prison, or we see him go down in the '61 timeline, but who knows. He made it sound like a white collar prison, and I think he mentioned something about 48 months? After buying the church, I wonder if he eventually becomes a big New York club/real estate guy, then gets mixed up in something in the '80s?

Did I miss something about Joel needing a new club space?

Definitely feels like they accidentally aired episode six instead of five.

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boogieman said:

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I was wondering the same thing too. Felt like we missed something.

I'm guessing Joel goes down when the gambling parlor beneath the Button Club gets raided?

The explanation of what happened on the boat had me rolling.
"So I'm a pirate now."

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I seriously doubt he spends 25+ years in prison, or we see him go down in the '61 timeline, but who knows. He made it sound like a white collar prison, and I think he mentioned something about 48 months? After buying the church, I wonder if he eventually becomes a big New York club/real estate guy, then gets mixed up in something in the '80s?

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We watched the episode again but I didn't catch anything that clued me in one way or the other. Like you said, the fact that it appears to be a minimum security facility would lead you to believe he's there for some kind of white-collar crime.

I often feel like they throw us in the deep end to start episodes and I spend the first few minutes trying to catch my breath and catch up. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought I missed something this week.

Why is Susie so big all of a sudden? Why is Joel needing a big new club now? Who are this client and producer that Susie is hunting down? Are Joel's parents back together?

I think that diner that she dances with Gordon Ford the same diner, and table, she got engaged, had wedding Breakfast, etc. with Joel.