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Leonard H. Stringfield
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Tucker got scared. He will eventually connect a few more dots.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
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Leonard H. Stringfield said:

Tucker got scared. He will eventually connect a few more dots.


Just for the sake of conversation, I'd think it's a hell of a lot more terrifying that this is supernatural, as opposed to organic beings
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IMO, "material" vs "spiritual" is nothing more than a human-defined dichotomy. It's how our 21st century brains interpret a part of science/reality we simply don't yet understand. "Spiritual" beings could be just as "material" in their plane of existence as we are our in ours. The only difference being they know how to move back and forth between the two planes. Their reality could be made of, say, light - or - their atoms could vibrate on a frequency we can't yet measure - or - they could be fourth or even fifth dimensional beings - or - it could be a combination of all of the above/something complete different. Either way, they could have figured out how to materialize/interact with us in our three dimensional world, which, ultimately, really is no different than them being from another planet. No matter what, they're far more advanced than we are, know far more about the universe/existence than we do, and any given scenario could feature malevolent actors who don't have our best interest at heart, capable of wiping us out or altering/influencing our consciousness in numerous ways.
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BenFiasco14 said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

Tucker got scared. He will eventually connect a few more dots.


Just for the sake of conversation, I'd think it's a hell of a lot more terrifying that this is supernatural, as opposed to organic beings
Yep and Tucker has bought into what the gatekeepers are trying to convey. The Roswell pilots most likely were not "supernatural". Primitive man might have termed them that...demons etc. It may be telling that the Vatican doesn't view them as supernatural...simply creatures in God's creation. Will we ever get the complete truth? Some things are hard to shake.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Found this video interesting. It is tangentially related to UAP's, so I decided to post it here. Very fascinating technology….zero point energy, gravity manipulation, ect.
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Evidently, some level of time manipulation came as a result of the back-engineering of retrieved materials. Lazar's "frozen" burning candle may have set things in motion.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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TCTTS said:

IMO, "material" vs "spiritual" is nothing more than a human-defined dichotomy. It's how our 21st century brains interpret a part of science/reality we simply don't yet understand. "Spiritual" beings could be just as "material" in their plane of existence as we are our in ours. The only difference being they know how to move back and forth between the two planes. Their reality could be made of, say, light - or - their atoms could vibrate on a frequency we can't yet measure - or - they could be fourth or even fifth dimensional beings - or - it could be a combination of all of the above/something complete different. Either way, they could have figured out how to materialize/interact with us in our three dimensional world, which, ultimately, really is no different than them being from another planet. No matter what, they're far more advanced than we are, know far more about the universe/existence than we do, and any given scenario could feature malevolent actors who don't have our best interest at heart, capable of wiping us out or altering/influencing our consciousness in numerous ways.


Fair enough. You're absolutely right. I was just more saying, it would be scarier to me if this phenomenon is literal demons from hell clawing their way up to earth and manifesting… as opposed to extraterrestrial.

As for where I fall personally on this, I think it's a combo. I think this phenomenon is multi faceted and is a combo of (I) human experimental tech, (II) supernatural in nature, that is - beyond our current understand of the natural world and (iii) interdimensional beings. Iii could tie into ii as well.

I think it's all these things. We're experiencing all of it and due to where we are right now with our understanding, it's all under the same umbrella. As time goes on, distinctions can hopefully be made
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Right there with you. Whoever "they" may or may not be, they're not just one group from one place. And then yeah, some of it is definitely us too, in the form of experimental tech.
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TCTTS said:

Right there with you. Whoever "they" may or may not be, they're not just one group from one place. And then yeah, some of it is definitely us too, in the form of experimental tech.


I don't personally buy this one, but another interesting theory is that these objects are either ACTUALLY US, way in the future, or even more trippy - they are AI created by us way in the future.
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Leonard H. Stringfield said:

BenFiasco14 said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

Tucker got scared. He will eventually connect a few more dots.


Just for the sake of conversation, I'd think it's a hell of a lot more terrifying that this is supernatural, as opposed to organic beings
Yep and Tucker has bought into what the gatekeepers are trying to convey. The Roswell pilots most likely were not "supernatural". Primitive man might have termed them that...demons etc. It may be telling that the Vatican doesn't view them as supernatural...simply creatures in God's creation. Will we ever get the complete truth? Some things are hard to shake.


Well what do you think it is then? Not sure if you've ever revealed to us your actual stance. Am I right that you think they're just organic beings like us, but from a different planet /system?

I have a second question to you. What are your thoughts on those people who claim to be Arcturian emissaries or the like?
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Yes. The term "interdimensional" is now being promoted along with "spiritual". Technically, most of these visitors from other star systems are both extraterrestrial and interdimensional. At least the vehicles appear to be interdimensional. I've seen some talk about some of the beings being under ground or even under water here on the planet currently. What was their origin? I've read that the craft somehow bend space-time thereby negating the need to have something that exceeds the speed of light. That would be interdimensional. Could some of these beings have evolved to a state of pure energy or something else? Given billions of years of evolution..who knows. Would not shock me. It is my belief that what primitive man termed demons, angels, nephalim et. al. are in fact, extraterrestrials. Some apparently have personalities..."tricksters" has been thrown around to describe them. All aliens from other star systems IMO. This is one of the main reasons disclosures from "trusted" sources occurs. Be that gov officials...MSM etc. Then we can move on to do open research on the subject. There would be a lot of that I would think. A lot of everything. Aliens from other star systems.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Regarding "Kona Blue". I have been away from normal connectivity so I have been slow to digest this. Here is what I have.

My position on UFO/UAP has been solidly consistent for the last several years:

A) I was previously simply wrong that there was nothing to this story. I have no interest in denying my error.

B) There were almost certainly secret programs hidden within the US Federal Government that have been denied that were addressed to the topic of UFOs.

C) There is, as yet, no hard public scientific proof that any of these programs have anything to do with actual recovered craft or 'biologics' or Non-Human Intelligence or Aliens.

D) There is a history of fakery in warfare and national security that could explain this.

E) High level physicists like John Wheeler, Bryce DeWitt, Louis Witten, Pascal Jordan, Herman Bondi, etc were previously part of some bizarre secret anti-gravity efforts related to UFO programs that birthed our common era of Quantum Gravity.

F) Quantum Gravity, at least publicly, does not appear to work by historical standards in its 71 year history.

G) This state of QG is totally non-controversial scientifically, but pointing this out leads to bizarre reputational attacks.

H) There is some connection inside the US government from UFO/UAP to occult like interest in angels/demons/consciousness/"remote viewing" which makes the whole thing sound like nonsense. This may be intentional to discredit interest from those not read in to the special access programs.

I) There appear to be essentially no high level physicists involved in a supposed area of national security that hinges on phenomena that supposedly defy physical law. This is itself a MAJOR clue that gets little attention.

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With "Kona Blue" disclosed, I am relieved that I would appear to be proven correct on many of the above points. I was *not* early here, but I did not overclaim either and admitted my main error. I can also reasonably claim that I was early among PhDs with relevant backgrounds regarding relations to physics.

The above points A)-I) are pretty much what one concludes when a sober person with historical awareness confronts the reality of a completely insane corner of national security. I stand by all of the above statements no matter how nutty they sound, or how conservative they sound to different parties. This is simply the state of the situation if you are not a UFO enthusiast or debunker. It's totally embarassing for our nation and made a deliberately unresolvable question as to what is going on. That is not an accident. It is by design. It's really just unconscionable that we are here.

We look like the Keystone Cops.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kona-blue-causing-split-between-intel-agencies-dod-coulthart/ar-AA1ngzu3
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Rumors are circulating that HBO's Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is covering the disclosure movement/UAP tonight, with a story that has apparently been "over a year in the works." This is a long way from being confirmed, but a couple of those reporting as much are going so far as to say it's not a favorable piece, either (in other words, Oliver & co are apparently highly skeptical). We shall see. If true, it should at least be entertaining. And if a hit piece, people like this Rob dude below (who admittedly comes across as a bit unhinged) are going to be up in arms. Regardless, I'll try to watch "live" (8 PM Pacific/10 PM Central) and then report back...





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Interesting post on Reddit with ChatGPT's summaries on what could be going on and why the fear of disclosure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/SDJCOSaWi2
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That's pretty cool.
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Jason Sands - He evidently HAS had hands on experience with et materials.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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On one hand, I trust that James Fox has done his due diligence. That said, others I trust are dubious about this guy, and rightfully so...



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I've been following this subject for years but there are some angles in there I've never heard before.
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yup
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
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In case anybody missed it, Luna is clear Grusch believes in the inter-dimensional.
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Re: John Oliver, he did, in fact, cover UFOs tonight… and it was really good! And also super fair!

Sure, there were a couple of unfortunate inaccuracies here and there, and he completely glossed over some major developments (like Grusch), but his overall point was basically that we should be taking this topic more seriously. Or rather, that while most sightings have a prosaic explanation, there are plenty that don't, and there needs to be better/more official scientific methods by which we engage credible witnesses and try and get to the bottom of what the hell is out there. Mainly, it was an appeal for serious scientific inquiry, with an expected humorous bent.

Anyway, the episode is on Max / HBO on demand now, will be up for free on YouTube this Thursday, and while nothing groundbreaking, it's definitely worth checking out.
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Seems like lots of folks have chosen to simply ignore what David said at the congressional hearing in July. Legacy media for the most part especially.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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So cool that John Oliver focused on UFOs last night! I was wondering if they were gonna tackle the UAP issue

Their production actually called CDR Fravor to make sure they were not misrepresenting him. I respect that.

CDR Fravor and others had very similar sentiments about the show... basically, that it's the best we can expect from a format like that. I personally thought they did a GREAT job - and with some classic humor!

It wasn't just a laugh-off of the UFO issue... the crux of the show was informative - albeit narrow in focus with the time they had. It seemed to be acknowledging the reality of the UAP issue - while promoting a balanced and de-stigmatized effort at investigation. That's a great perspective!

They highlighted that the DoD lied for 50 years about Roswell being a weather balloon - but then seemed to accept the nonsensical PROJECT MOGUL explanation that the DoD gave after 50 years of admittedly lying. They just didn't go deep into all the info to know enough about that event - all the direct and first-hand witnesses, etc. At least John Oliver highlighted that we can't always trust when the DoD says "trust me this time. I'm telling you the truth... THIS time."

I can see from the segment - when they discuss the green "pyramid" night vision footage - how the whole convo about "shape" from that one piece of footage (off the USS Russell)... that it's the easiest and laziest way to MISS, DISMISS or IGNORE the scale and scope of the 2019 UAP event series.

2019 was a HUGE and IMPORTANT incursion - and involved NOT just classic "drones"... not even close.

But the show went with "the government told you so" explanation - and never mentions that there were 100+ unknown units swarming at one time - with some observed going into the water. That the public was provided with RADAR, THERMAL and just tons of other footage and witness testimony from that event series. That no landing or launch points were found... no operators determined... and that to this day, the DoD has no idea who's technology that was - or what the intent was. And that they can't duplicate what was observed and documented... with our current level of tech. So that seems important.

Folks involved are just reporting the facts and observations as they know them. Urging that it behooves us to find out more.

The 2019 event series is an extremely important modern UAP case... and I disagree with showing the DoD position and NOT asking any other questions and ignoring almost all the existing corroborative, multi-platform data.

But hey... it's hard to cover the bases in 30 minutes with this topic - and they did a great job with the time they had. And it's good for folks to discuss this stuff in general - that was kinda the point of the episode. It was both thoughtful - and funny!

It's also good for journalists to dive deeper than an inch into a UAP story... like @MvonRen of THE HILL recently did... so y'all might wanna read this... https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4605271-drones-or-ufos-alarming-incursions-demand-answers

And check out the John Oliver episode on UFOs! Good work
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Thanks for covering the topic!
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Mellon doesn't mess around and is about as legit as they come...


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How deep of a hole will the DOD dig to fall into?
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
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Fascinating read
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Jason Sands is next man up, debuting on Twitter Spaces yesterday.

James Fox is good at vetting people, and he'll be in this summer's documentary. Problem is Sands claims memories of 20 years Mars service time travel stuff popular among some of the people that make us believers look quite bad. We shall see.
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What if at some point we look back on all this and point to Lazar being the point of disclosure? Gov employee disclosing the truth. It was even on a major network affiliate in Las Vegas...live.


DID CHRIS MELLON JUST CONFIRM UAP CRASH RETRIEVALS? | Richard Dolan Show w/Michael Schratt
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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UFO Whistleblower Jason Sands Releases Statement! Could He Be Legit?
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

Are A&M's core values..optional? Who has the POWER to determine that? Are certain departments exempt? Why?

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