From what I've heard, this tour will probably make history as the event that gave an entire generation tinnitus. Noise at that level for 3 1/2 hours is absolutely the worst thing someone can do for his or hearing. However great it was, it was not worth it for those who will never hear silence again.
For those who spent $3k
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Cool, I'm a hater nbd. I don't deny it. But in the world of elite entertainers she's just a pop artist. Not $3k a ticket worthy IMO but you do you. I've used poor mans project from day 1. She appealed to young kids and was a great person to look up to for girls. She has some fun songs, I get it. But I'm not going pretend she writes all of her songs.watty said:emando2000 said:She can sing? Does she have rangy music? I'm sure she has some talent here but c'mon. Adele can sing. She's nowhere near that level.Gigem314 said:
I wouldn't dismiss her as just another mindless pop princess. I respect her talent. She's a very gifted artist. She can write her own songs, sing, play guitar, and dance....few pop-stars can do all of those things together. If she ever did an acoustic show with just her on guitar...I would go see that (not for thousands).
She's resonated with teen girls and female 20-somethings, 30-somethings, and even 40-somethings in a way that no other pop artist or group has in the modern era. I just hope they don't listen to all of her personal opinions, but that aside, she's created quite the fan following.
Today's music is filled with so much parity...most pop and hip-hop artists all end up sounding similar. There isn't much depth to modern popular music...even by 'pop' standards. Taylor Swift has clearly carved out something unique...at least with her early music that put her on the map.
That being said, there's no way I'd pay that much for a concert...even if I were a diehard fan. I wouldn't even do that for Stapleton. But she clearly has a rabid fanbase willing to pay it...well, maybe some parents who are willing to pay it haha.
Can play guitar? Oooof. That's an achievement for a "singer songwriter"?
Can dance? Another groundbreaking achievement. Dancing is easy. Especially when it's choreographed for you and practiced.
Write her own songs? I struggle with this. She may write "some" lines but I'm sure it's sliced up and produced so much that it just sort of resembles the original version. It's marketing. Same as Toms and Warby Parker. And save me with the I know someone in the industry that vouches for her. I think that I've heard 5 separate times that they know someone close to the Swift's people and that it's true. That's statistically impossible.
She's some rich man's project that had a vision for her to resonate with so many young girls. All they have to do is doll her up, produce her music and market her. Now, it's come to fruition and people are spending ridiculous cash to watch her live. It's remarkable and unbelievable. Kudos to her and those involved.
This is a Mount Rushmore post in the category of "Trying way too hard to talk trash about something I know nothing about, to try to sound cool but in reality only sounding bitter and out of touch because of it."
I hate to break it to you, but yes, singing, dancing, and playing guitar does add up to "entertaining," and that is what her job is. And again I hate to break it to you, but yes, she writes her own songs. She's not some accidental star that some producers created and got lucky with. She's a powerhouse. You're outing yourself here as nothing more than an ignorant hater. As I said in my other post on this thread, music snobs suck.
It's funny how some are comparing her to Elvis. We're in a weird time where EVERYTHING is expensive, and people are still paying it. We were locked up for 2 years and now the big artists have learned they can charge whatever TF they want and people will still pay it. I forget but Blink 182 tickets were going for what? $250 a ticket for GA? That's ridiculous.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!Philo B 93 said:
From what I've heard, this tour will probably make history as the event that gave an entire generation tinnitus. Noise at that level for 3 1/2 hours is absolutely the worst thing someone can do for his or hearing. However great it was, it was not worth it for those who will never hear silence again.
What a soft generation. No way her volume was anywhere close to a Motorhead show.
She has an insanely large catalog that has songs that can appeal to preteens, teens, 20-somethings, 30-somethings and the simply "pop" crowd.
She also has a complete stronghold on her image. Where does everyone think all these primo tickets the weeks leading up to the shows came from after being "sold out" since Christmas? They were originally going to be "Platinum" seats that she took a hefty cut from -- but with the blowback with how the sale went she decided it would look bad to suddenly be listing her own $1000 tickets. Not many artists willing to forgo that $$$ for their image.
But probably the biggest differentiator between her and the other mega-female stars in decades past like Madonna and Britney is they weren't around during social media. Swift has been able to connect with her fans in a way that few others of her cachet were able to do.
I'm insanely sexist in that I can't listen to the bubble-gum pop she sings (though I have a thing for just about any female rock vocalist), but after listening to Ryan Adams sing 1989 it finally became obvious to me how good a writer she actually is.
She also has a complete stronghold on her image. Where does everyone think all these primo tickets the weeks leading up to the shows came from after being "sold out" since Christmas? They were originally going to be "Platinum" seats that she took a hefty cut from -- but with the blowback with how the sale went she decided it would look bad to suddenly be listing her own $1000 tickets. Not many artists willing to forgo that $$$ for their image.
But probably the biggest differentiator between her and the other mega-female stars in decades past like Madonna and Britney is they weren't around during social media. Swift has been able to connect with her fans in a way that few others of her cachet were able to do.
I'm insanely sexist in that I can't listen to the bubble-gum pop she sings (though I have a thing for just about any female rock vocalist), but after listening to Ryan Adams sing 1989 it finally became obvious to me how good a writer she actually is.
Byproduct of free streaming of music and piracy is an increased cost for live performances.
I appreciate your rocker logic there, and I get your sarcasm. Lemmy was Lemmy. He was a badass. But Taylor Swift has the power of a corporation and the very latest in 2023 technology and sound engineering behind her. One of her stadium shows makes more money than Lemmy did on entire tours. Her people wanted this show to make history, and they're doing it with visuals, technology, promotion, and sound, and volume.Know Your Enemy said:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!Philo B 93 said:
From what I've heard, this tour will probably make history as the event that gave an entire generation tinnitus. Noise at that level for 3 1/2 hours is absolutely the worst thing someone can do for his or hearing. However great it was, it was not worth it for those who will never hear silence again.
What a soft generation. No way her volume was anywhere close to a Motorhead show.
I may be wrong. I was not one of the dozen or so men in Texas who went to one of the shows. But I've spoken to some of them, and they are concert veterans who said that **** was loud!
That song is an admitted 'gobbledydook' song.. nonsensical lyrics, much like black hole sun and many others.wangus12 said:I mean c'mon, these are lyrics to one of the top Beatles songsgigemJTH12 said:
There are a lot of things in pop culture that I don't "get"
But the Taylor Swift phenomenon is way at the top.
The obsession is mind blowing to me because it's almost a Beatles-like following and I don't think she's very good at all. Her songs are so corny to me.
He Bag production
He got walrus gumboat
He got Ono sideboard
He one spinal cracker
He got feet down below his knees
Hold you in his arms, yeah,
You can feel his disease
Come together, right now
Over me
Doesn't mean it can't be a timeless, multi-generational favorite song.
"men"Philo B 93 said:I appreciate your rocker logic there, and I get your sarcasm. Lemmy was Lemmy. He was a badass. But Taylor Swift has the power of a corporation and the very latest in 2023 technology and sound engineering behind her. One of her stadium shows makes more money than Lemmy did on entire tours. Her people wanted this show to make history, and they're doing it with visuals, technology, promotion, and sound, and volume.Know Your Enemy said:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!Philo B 93 said:
From what I've heard, this tour will probably make history as the event that gave an entire generation tinnitus. Noise at that level for 3 1/2 hours is absolutely the worst thing someone can do for his or hearing. However great it was, it was not worth it for those who will never hear silence again.
What a soft generation. No way her volume was anywhere close to a Motorhead show.
I may be wrong. I was not one of the dozen or so men in Texas who went to one of the shows. But I've spoken to some of them, and they are concert veterans who said that **** was loud!
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Another Doug said:
The usual suspects are complaining on this thread, Swift is a liberal, and liberals are draft dodging child groomers, so they hate her and only listen to Ted Nugent.
lol wut?
Another Doug said:
The usual suspects are complaining on this thread, Swift is a liberal, and liberals are draft dodging child groomers, so they hate her and only listen to Ted Nugent.
I think you're getting the Taylor Swift threads confused.
So can Kid RockGigem314 said:
Adele is next-level amazing, no doubt. I'm simply saying that Swift can wear multiple hats and do them well...particularly compared to your typical young pop star. There's definitely a lot of marketing...particularly with her latest album. But every artist in the spotlight has marketing. That's not a new thing.
I dont get the renaming of towns and stadiums and the like. Then you had local politicians trying to shove their nose up her ass. It is all ridiculous. Its like someone needs to tell the world that she isn't gonna **** them, bro.
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Byproduct of free streaming of music and piracy is an increased cost for live performances.
Nobody makes more money from album sales than Taylor, but I get your point.
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All that said, the over-the-top love for Taylor Swift is something that confounds me. I got Britney, I got Gaga, and I get Beyonce, but not so much with Taylor. Sure, she's attractive, but so are most singers.
What's to get. She's basically the exact same thing as the first 3 you listed. She's got 3 Grammys for Album of the Year which is tied for most by an Artist. She's probably the most likeable of the 4 listed and if I was a parent, I'd say easily the most attractive option for kids to listen to. She comes across as very wholesome compared to those singers
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Taylor Swift is a bad ass
Would trade my PJ tickets for her show any day
Would trade my PJ tickets for her show any day
If you really like her, you can take James Shelley's wife to a TS show, who's also a fan, while he enjoys Ted Nugent and end the feud on the job network board
My wife is on a streak with getting good tickets, so sent my 16 year old daughter to this one with 3 friends in the 1st level for face value. She's not quite my cup of tea, but she has a few songs I like and I definitely respect both the talent and the effort she puts into a show.
She has done such a great job molding her imagine, controlling it and amazing design.
This tour is also the perfect storm of timing. It was supposed to be in 2020, but covid, so she hasn't toured since 2018. Now looking at it, she's apparently had 6 real tours so she's great at creating pent up demand.
Also having takin mom/gf to the 2018 tour, I'm 0% convinced she's singing during the actual shows or the band is fully playing the whole time either. It was an amazing set design/effects/event, but I'd 100% rather go to a show at billy bobs sized venues or smaller any day of the week.
This tour is also the perfect storm of timing. It was supposed to be in 2020, but covid, so she hasn't toured since 2018. Now looking at it, she's apparently had 6 real tours so she's great at creating pent up demand.
Also having takin mom/gf to the 2018 tour, I'm 0% convinced she's singing during the actual shows or the band is fully playing the whole time either. It was an amazing set design/effects/event, but I'd 100% rather go to a show at billy bobs sized venues or smaller any day of the week.
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The Lost said:
She has done such a great job molding her imagine, controlling it and amazing design.
This tour is also the perfect storm of timing. It was supposed to be in 2020, but covid, so she hasn't toured since 2018. Now looking at it, she's apparently had 6 real tours so she's great at creating pent up demand.
Also having takin mom/gf to the 2018 tour, I'm 0% convinced she's singing during the actual shows or the band is fully playing the whole time either. It was an amazing set design/effects/event, but I'd 100% rather go to a show at billy bobs sized venues or smaller any day of the week.
There is definitely a backing track and some tech magic but you can clearly hear that it's real at various points throughout the show. There are moments where it's clear the tour is taking a bit of a toll on her, that wouldn't be the case if it was all piped in.
Plus the added hat of doing creative things with cases of Bud Lightjokershady said:So can Kid RockGigem314 said:
Adele is next-level amazing, no doubt. I'm simply saying that Swift can wear multiple hats and do them well...particularly compared to your typical young pop star. There's definitely a lot of marketing...particularly with her latest album. But every artist in the spotlight has marketing. That's not a new thing.
Taylor Swift is the Ferris Bueller of the 2020s... change my mind...
nice combotk for tu juan said:
I never really thought much of Taylor Swift. I'm the wrong gender and wrong generation compared to her core audience. That's fine. But I do think I'm guilty of underestimating her.
NEXT GEN INVESTING Taylor Swift sidestepped FTX lawsuit by asking a simple question
NEXT GEN INVESTING Taylor Swift sidestepped FTX lawsuit by asking a simple question
Tom Brady didn't ask that question. Larry David didn't ask that question. The administrators for the Teacher's Pension Plan of Ontario didn't ask that question. I'm not sure how talented she is overall. But I think it's clear that her brains exceed her talent. When was the last monster tour like this headlined by someone under 35?Quote:
"In our discovery, Taylor Swift actually asked them, 'Can you tell me that these are not unregistered securities?'" he said.
"INVESTORS HATE HER"
Sometimes celebs or politicians are referred to or credited individually, for something their team or agents or advisors did. I am wondering is she, herself, literally asked the question? Without being advised to?FarmerJohn said:
I never really thought much of Taylor Swift. I'm the wrong gender and wrong generation compared to her core audience. That's fine. But I do think I'm guilty of underestimating her.
NEXT GEN INVESTING Taylor Swift sidestepped FTX lawsuit by asking a simple questionTom Brady didn't ask that question. Larry David didn't ask that question. The administrators for the Teacher's Pension Plan of Ontario didn't ask that question. I'm not sure how talented she is overall. But I think it's clear that her brains exceed her talent. When was the last monster tour like this headlined by someone under 35?Quote:
"In our discovery, Taylor Swift actually asked them, 'Can you tell me that these are not unregistered securities?'" he said.
If so, that would be incredibly impressive, not gonna lie.
I think I read somewhere that her dad was in finance so I imagine he was involved in those discussions.
Her dad is a pretty successful investment banker so I'm sure at the very least she has incredibly solid advice being given to herBrittmoore Car Club said:Sometimes celebs or politicians are referred to or credited individually, for something their team or agents or advisors did. I am wondering is she, herself, literally asked the question? Without being advised to?FarmerJohn said:
I never really thought much of Taylor Swift. I'm the wrong gender and wrong generation compared to her core audience. That's fine. But I do think I'm guilty of underestimating her.
NEXT GEN INVESTING Taylor Swift sidestepped FTX lawsuit by asking a simple questionTom Brady didn't ask that question. Larry David didn't ask that question. The administrators for the Teacher's Pension Plan of Ontario didn't ask that question. I'm not sure how talented she is overall. But I think it's clear that her brains exceed her talent. When was the last monster tour like this headlined by someone under 35?Quote:
"In our discovery, Taylor Swift actually asked them, 'Can you tell me that these are not unregistered securities?'" he said.
If so, that would be incredibly impressive, not gonna lie.
Brittmoore Car Club said:Sometimes celebs or politicians are referred to or credited individually, for something their team or agents or advisors did. I am wondering is she, herself, literally asked the question? Without being advised to?FarmerJohn said:
I never really thought much of Taylor Swift. I'm the wrong gender and wrong generation compared to her core audience. That's fine. But I do think I'm guilty of underestimating her.
NEXT GEN INVESTING Taylor Swift sidestepped FTX lawsuit by asking a simple questionTom Brady didn't ask that question. Larry David didn't ask that question. The administrators for the Teacher's Pension Plan of Ontario didn't ask that question. I'm not sure how talented she is overall. But I think it's clear that her brains exceed her talent. When was the last monster tour like this headlined by someone under 35?Quote:
"In our discovery, Taylor Swift actually asked them, 'Can you tell me that these are not unregistered securities?'" he said.
If so, that would be incredibly impressive, not gonna lie.
The list of people who either refused to ask these questions or listen to someone else who advised them to do so is pretty extensive.
Listening to wise counsel is admirable.
I didn't appreciate Taylor Swift until "Folklore" and now I kind of get the mania.
I don't know anything more than that article, but the lawyer suing the other celebrities assigned this as a direct quote from Taylor Swift. Apparently, her dad was a stockbroker and vice president for Merrill Lynch and her mother was a mutual fund marketing manager. So if she were the one asking, it isn't completely shocking.
But even if this was her team, she has a really sharp team working for her. Building that good of a team is pretty impressive in it's own right.
But even if this was her team, she has a really sharp team working for her. Building that good of a team is pretty impressive in it's own right.
I've heard several people comment about the sound level. My opinion only, but the sound from shrieking teenagers (and moms? ...and dads?) seemed louder than the music itself. Tool last year in San Antonio was the loudest thing I've ever heard. Ears rang for a couple of days. Not so for the TS concert Sunday. Or maybe my ears are already shot.
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