Anyone seen Sound of Freedom?

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In reply to Macarthur • 7:01a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
That's what I thought. You're avoiding the issue and making this about me.


Shaw's words weren't definitive; they didn't prove anything. He stated hypotheticals that he himself doesn't have the answer to before recommending the movie be seen. There's no issue to be avoided. You're more likely to drive trafficking with your online porn consumption than he was to be the specific cause of all those potential outcomes. The trafficker could have done all the same things for totally different reasons and you'd never know. It's a 'gotcha' attempt more than legitimate 'issue' to deal with.

That said, since you keep wielding it as a weapon against the movie it can only be about you. So have you seen it? Have you joined our fight against trafficking (surely Shaw wouldn't want you on the sidelines)? Have you and sapper done anything but post his words and attempt to make the film look bad?
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7:19a, 7/20/23
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Seems to me, arranging the island raid and saving 120+ people is worth the risk. That's way better than try to pull off 120 separate raids. No way in hell, are cartels going have a kidnapper career fair to hire more kidnappers so that they can nab more kids for the island "resort".
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In reply to Macarthur • 7:43a, 7/20/23
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JKF is based on a true story, too.
So is 12 years a Slave. The story of a free American Black man who is kidnapped and sold into slavery.

Never once during the Oscar ceremonies did I hear people complain that the movie obscured the real source of slavery being Africa and the people of Africa selling their friends and neighbors into slavery. I can't recall a single instance when an actor or magazine said that the ending of American slavery was very difficult on the freed slave who would struggle to make their own way as a free man, how the individual slave was somewhat dependent on their plantation as they knew no other way through life.

I am glad no one boycotted 12 years a slave because that would have been stupid to do so. It was very difficult for a newly freed slave in the 1800's, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worth the effort to do so, thus freeing every black person to follow (in America).
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In reply to Macarthur • 7:46a, 7/20/23
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So, you think Shaw from Frontline Response (A Christian Trafficking organzation) is simply making this up?
is this the article you are referencing? Because it seems to be quite different from what you are portraying it as

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Shaw was "blown away" by the movie and is recommending it to people, but has caveats: "Even child trafficking victims that have been 'taken,' most of the time, they're resistant to being rescued, because they're not in that psychological space, either. So a big part of our trainings is deprogramming our volunteers into what their expectation should be about how people are going to respond to them, and what sex trafficking looks like."
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/july/anti-trafficking-ministries-nonprofits-sound-of-freedom.html

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In reply to Macarthur • 8:00a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
JKF is based on a true story, too.
JKF....tell me more, oh wise one.
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8:10a, 7/20/23
7/19 showings @ Star Cinema (seats purchased/offered)

Elemental - 4 Showings 51/180 = 63%
Insidious - 5 Showings 106/335 = 32%
Indiana Jones 5 - 4 Showings 70/232 = 30%
Joy Ride - 1 Showing 0/61 = 0.000%
Ruby Gilman - 1 Showing 21/161 = 13%
Spiderman - 3 Showings 18/183 = 10%
Transformers - 4 Showings 28/184 = 15%
MI7 - 11 Showings 153/1434 = 11%
Sound of Freedom - 3 Showings 173/183 = 95%

Starting today, Sound of Freedom has been dropped to 2 showings per day. While I understand Barbie and Oppenheimer will surely dominate sales, Indiana Jones will still have 4 mostly empty showings, Insidious will have 5 mostly empty showings, and MI7 will have 6 mostly empty showings.

I am no fool, I understand the big studios will get their space, but here we are 17 days after release and this theater has sold out every showing of Sound of Freedom they have offered above 90% capacity and they continue to drop the daily offerings.
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In reply to Eso si, Que es • 8:35a, 7/20/23
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I keep seeing you post things like this and wondered if this holds true in every theater or is something weird going on in this specific one. I live in Collin County so my searches were all focused here.

North McKinney Cinemark has 6 showings today in 2 theaters. Of the 472 tickets available, 76 tickets have sold. 16%. Typical according to your numbers.

Allen Cinemark also has 6 showings. 57 of 444 sold. 13%

Frisco Square. 4 showings. 43 of 278. 15%

West Plano. 7 showings. 75 of 631 sold. 12%

So why do you think the theaters you're looking at are so different from all of the ones around me? It's not like there aren't plenty of conservatives in Collin County.

To be clear, it does look like it's selling as good as or better than the other offerings but typically has more showings than anything other than Barbie, Oppenheimer, or Mission Impossible (Barbie and Oppenheimer are obviously moving many more tickets on their opening weekends).
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8:46a, 7/20/23
There's also accusations of astroturfing. I don't know about that but clearly the practice of buying tickets for others does give a bit of a skewed view of actual butts in seats.
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In reply to Macarthur • 9:02a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
There's also accusations of astroturfing. I don't know about that but clearly the practice of buying tickets for others does give a bit of a skewed view of actual butts in seats.
It really pisses you off that lots of people are seeing this movie, doesn't it?
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In reply to aTmAg • 9:03a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
There's also accusations of astroturfing. I don't know about that but clearly the practice of buying tickets for others does give a bit of a skewed view of actual butts in seats.
It really pisses you off that lots of people are seeing this movie, doesn't it?


It really doesn't, dude. There's def a few folks on this thread that have been emotional and off the rails but I'm not one of them.
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In reply to aTmAg • 9:06a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
There's also accusations of astroturfing. I don't know about that but clearly the practice of buying tickets for others does give a bit of a skewed view of actual butts in seats.
It really pisses you off that lots of people are seeing this movie, doesn't it?
Well if there are readily available free tickets to other movies currently in theaters like there are for this one please point us in that direction. I'll take two for Oppenheimer.
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9:08a, 7/20/23
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Just randomly making the "astroturfing" comment.
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In reply to Rocag • 9:09a, 7/20/23
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aTmAg said:
Macarthur said:
There's also accusations of astroturfing. I don't know about that but clearly the practice of buying tickets for others does give a bit of a skewed view of actual butts in seats.
It really pisses you off that lots of people are seeing this movie, doesn't it?
Well if there are readily available free tickets to other movies currently in theaters like there are for this one please point us in that direction. I'll take two for Oppenheimer.
So when people "pay it forward" at a McDonalds drive through, it's really astroturfing the Big Mac.

Okay.
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9:10a, 7/20/23
I actually really admire their marketing strategy. Pretty impressive.
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9:14a, 7/20/23
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Someone should start up a theater that only plays non-"woke" non-hollywood movies to show everyone how much money is to be made.
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In reply to Macarthur • 9:15a, 7/20/23
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I actually really admire their marketing strategy. Pretty impressive.
Lib's help a lot by blowing out their panties over it. Every time they do that, people go out of their way to watch whatever it is.

So good job. The trafficked kids thank you for it.
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In reply to Another Doug • 9:18a, 7/20/23
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Someone should start up a theater that only plays non-"woke" non-hollywood movies to show everyone how much money is to be made.
Maybe this strike will last 20 years, and put the existing jackasses out of business. Then Hollywood could be reborn with sanity again.
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9:19a, 7/20/23
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Dang. This thread just keeps going on and on and on.

Movie was OK. 7/10. Yeah, it brings attention to child trafficking that should make anyone squirm. I have two young children and the subject matter made me want to jump into a murderous rage to save the beleaguered kids and save the day. That's what film does -- evokes emotions that we didnt know we had.

But at the end of the day, it's a movie. Based on a true story. And a decent one.

I dont get why people on the previous 35 pages of this thread dont get that we have more in common than we do apart. It's ridiculous.

Child trafficking is bad. No one is defending that. People that dont like this movie should be able to say it. Some might attack the messenger instead of the message, but who cares? This is why the board is here. To talk about film.

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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 9:22a, 7/20/23
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Dang. This thread just keeps going on and on and on.

Movie was OK. 7/10. Yeah, it brings attention to child trafficking that should make anyone squirm. I have two young children and the subject matter made me want to jump into a murderous rage to save the beleaguered kids and save the day. That's what film does -- evokes emotions that we didnt know we had.

But at the end of the day, it's a movie. Based on a true story. And a decent one.

I dont get why people on the previous 35 pages of this thread dont get that we have more in common than we do apart. It's ridiculous.

Child trafficking is bad. No one is defending that. People that dont like this movie should be able to say it. Some might attack the messenger instead of the message, but who cares? This is why the board is here. To talk about film.

You don't get it. The film maker was conservative. Bashing that is of primary importance.
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In reply to Another Doug • 9:22a, 7/20/23
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Another Doug said:
Someone should start up a theater that only plays non-"woke" non-hollywood movies to show everyone how much money is to be made.
You can find "Made for conservatives" versions of lots of products these days. Very few are successful but that shouldn't stop you from trying.
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In reply to Rocag • 9:35a, 7/20/23
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Another Doug said:
Someone should start up a theater that only plays non-"woke" non-hollywood movies to show everyone how much money is to be made.
You can find "Made for conservatives" versions of lots of products these days. Very few are successful but that shouldn't stop you from trying.
That's because libs basically have a Mccarthy style black list for anybody who dares to come out conservative. So those movies can't get the best talent.
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In reply to Eso si, Que es • 9:36a, 7/20/23
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I do think this is an interesting topic, more along how a film is distributed and how they decide the number of screens, etc. Would love to hear from someone that actually knows. I'm guessing there is nothing sinister going on in your example, but here is how I understand it:

Angel Studios acquires the distribution rights from Disney, then crowdfunds $5MM for Print & Advertising to make actual digital copies of the film and market it. There is a finite number of copies they make with that money, which then equates to the number of screens they can negotiate with theaters.

What I don't know is the terms of their theater agreements. Sometimes it's "you buy this print for x, and we'll include this marketing, and you recoup your expenses through ticket sales", but I believe it is becoming more prevalent to share those costs between theater companies and the distribution agent and you each get a % of ticket sales to recoup your investment. Number of prints/screens and weeks of guaranteed showtime are all part of the negotiation. Obviously, larger blockbuster movies/studios will command a higher price, higher number of prints and guaranteed number of screens.

So, in your example, Star Cinema may only have a limited number of prints (really a hard drive with digital file) they can use at any time, unless they go back to Angel Studios and request more. They also have to contend with contracts and guarantees they've allocated for the other films. If they have more money expended into Indiana Jones or M:I, then showing them in half-empty theaters may be a smarter business decision than trying to negotiate for more showings of SoF, because they need to make their money back and have guaranteed terms with the Distributors of those other films.

All this to say, I don't think it's as easy as the Manager saying "take these showings down and add more of this one" without alot of behind the scenes action, that would include negotiations with Star Cinema (not local theater, but the Company) and Angel Studios.

Maybe I'm wrong, but just my input.
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In reply to aTmAg • 9:42a, 7/20/23
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There are tens of millions of conservatives in this country. Saying you can find any good talent in a pool that large is pretty weird.

But look on the bright side, you've got Scott Baio and Kirk Cameron!
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In reply to Rocag • 9:58a, 7/20/23
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There are tens of millions of conservatives in this country. Saying you can find any good talent in a pool that large is pretty weird.

But look on the bright side, you've got Scott Baio and Kirk Cameron!
You really that naive?

There are secret conservative clubs in Hollywood. Because people don't want to limit themselves to 50% of the industry, they don't "out" themselves as conservatives.

That's what happens when your side uses Mcarthy tactics (against a group that is pro-freedom). You proud?
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In reply to aTmAg • 10:13a, 7/20/23
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Just randomly making the "astroturfing" comment.
Astroturfing.

Is that like when Hillary Clinton tweeted that everyone should go see Black Panther because she saw it and couldn't believe how amazing it was?

Because I'm supposed to believe that dusty muffin, 70's something, bite in the ass, went to a super hero movie and loved it? Ok.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 10:16a, 7/20/23
Weird.

Hillary is one of my least favorite politicians of recent memory, right there next to her husband, but this is a very weird rebuttal.

That was a good movie. I really enjoyed it. Why would someone like Hillary not like it?

Really weird.
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In reply to Rocag • 10:17a, 7/20/23
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There are tens of millions of conservatives in this country. Saying you can find any good talent in a pool that large is pretty weird.

But look on the bright side, you've got Scott Baio and Kirk Cameron!

Sure, Hollywood McCarthyism ever only worked in one direction and the only people suppressed by it were Dalton Trumbo and Ring Lardner et al.

Is that what they told you, Missy?

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In reply to aTmAg • 10:21a, 7/20/23
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If your goal is to make explicitly "non-woke" media then you are already by definition limiting yourself to whatever fraction of the population would be interested in that. That's, presumably at least, still millions and millions of people. And there are already right wing and Christian production companies who see modest success. But yeah, they're probably never going to be as successful as the major players because their target market is much smaller.

I absolutely believe there are actors who've faced discrimination because of their politics. I also believe they're far outnumbered by low talent failures who use their political beliefs as an excuse for why they couldn't hack it.
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In reply to Macarthur • 10:24a, 7/20/23
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Macarthur said:
Weird.

Hillary is one of my least favorite politicians of recent memory, right there next to her husband, but this is a very weird rebuttal.

That was a good movie. I really enjoyed it. Why would someone like Hillary not like it?

Really weird.
The honest chances that a 70+ year old white woman with the demeanor of a geriatric pitbull would enjoy a super hero movie are about the same as Ruffalo endorsing Trump or DeSantis.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 10:28a, 7/20/23
Whatever. I have no idea or care what kind of movies Hillary likes. Just strikes me as a weird comparison.
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In reply to Rocag • 10:30a, 7/20/23
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If your goal is to make explicitly "non-woke" media then you are already by definition limiting yourself to whatever fraction of the population would be interested in that. That's, presumably at least, still millions and millions of people. And there are already right wing and Christian production companies who see modest success. But yeah, they're probably never going to be as successful as the major players because their target market is much smaller.

I absolutely believe there are actors who've faced discrimination because of their politics. I also believe they're far outnumbered by low talent failures who use their political beliefs as an excuse for why they couldn't hack it.
Top Gun Maverick proves without a question that the market for non woke entertainment is massive. There is no denying it. I can't think of a single person I know that saw it and didn't love it or least like it.

I think what you're failing to see is that most people really don't want politics in their fun at all. As a right winger, I don't need a right wing message in my fun. At all.

A better question to ask is how much more successful would Hollywood be, right now, if stayed more in the center? I would venture, a lot.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 10:42a, 7/20/23
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"Non-woke" is explicitly conservative and right wing to begin with because it's only the right wing having panic attacks against "wokeness". All you have to do is listen to all of the things being described as "woke" by conservative commentators. The mere existence of minorities and LGBT people isn't "woke". A show having a cast that isn't entirely white isn't "woke". Lots of examples of white actors playing non-white roles that the "woke" brigade never had any issues with but whenever it happens the other way around it is "wokeness" and has to be opposed.

I have no issue with politically neutral films. I'd argue that most are.

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In reply to Rocag • 10:44a, 7/20/23
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Rocag said:
If your goal is to make explicitly "non-woke" media then you are already by definition limiting yourself to whatever fraction of the population would be interested in that. That's, presumably at least, still millions and millions of people. And there are already right wing and Christian production companies who see modest success. But yeah, they're probably never going to be as successful as the major players because their target market is much smaller.


I think you greatly underestimate the amount of people who are tired of "wokeness"…and it certainly isn't limited to "right wing" and Christians.
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The mere existence of minorities and LGBT people isn't "woke". A show having a cast that isn't entirely white isn't "woke".


Talk about misrepresenting an argument.

Good grief.
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"Non-woke" is explicitly conservative and right wing to begin with because it's only the right wing having panic attacks against "wokeness". All you have to do is listen to all of the things being described as "woke" by conservative commentators. The mere existence of minorities and LGBT people isn't "woke". A show having a cast that isn't entirely white isn't "woke". Lots of examples of white actors playing non-white roles that the "woke" brigade never had any issues with but whenever it happens the other way around it is "wokeness" and has to be opposed.

I have no issue with politically neutral films. I'd argue that most are.

Something has gone terribly wrong when I have to read posts like this.

Way back in yesteryear, what we called the "80's and 90's", these people you label "minorities" were quite common in entertainment media. And in my white bread household with conservative Republican parents, I seem to recall we all liked Eddie Murphy movies, Webster, Different Strokes, The Cosby Show, Fresh Prince, etc. As I noted on F16, 1987's Predator had literally the most diverse cast in Hollywood history. And no one even noticed. We didn't care. Will Smith was the standard bearer. Hammer and Whitney.

Something happened since then.
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