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3:00p, 4/22/25
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Coogler is so easy to root for. Such a genuine dude...

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In reply to TCTTS • 3:09p, 4/22/25
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He's slowly becoming one of the great directors of this era.

Been watching a lot of interviews with him lately for this movie - and the guy is super intentional and very meticulous with how he writes these films.

Very excited for his future projects
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In reply to ReturnOfTheAg • 3:11p, 4/22/25
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Agreed. Same. And he's not even 40 yet either. Pretty crazy.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:15p, 4/22/25
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His story is pretty incredible.

Played College Football at Sacramento State and just decided he wanted to be in filmmaking - got into USC Film school and the rest is history.

Oakland born and bred - has a thick cali accent.

Film industry needs a guy like this. Fun guy to root for
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In reply to ReturnOfTheAg • 3:25p, 4/22/25
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Yeah, I really love that he played college football. He and Barry Jenkins are both huge football fans, which is awesome (and rare for so many industry creatives of their caliber). Jenkins, especially, is a big SEC guy.
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4:16p, 4/22/25
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Since he is doing his x files revival next it would be hilarious if a certain two show up for an episode
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7:59a, 4/24/25
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 10:28a, 4/24/25
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JFC, what a dumbass tweet.

*Clicks on profile, sees "POL" all the way down.*

Figures.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:43a, 4/24/25
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Shocked that you couldn't handle an opposing view.

Enjoy your ban.
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10:50a, 4/24/25
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Whitlock does know how to pander to his audience.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 10:54a, 4/24/25
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Essentially calling anyone who likes or defends this movie woke, race-obsessed sheep isn't an "opposing view." It's provocative, unsubstantiated, small-minded nonsense. Jason Whitlock is a clown.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:56a, 4/24/25
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JFC, what a dumbass tweet.

*Clicks on profile, sees "POL" all the way down.*

Figures.
I have noticed this phenomenon in modern society, although I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say if it applies here. But it applied to some extent to Black Panther imo...as well as some other works of art. There is almost a patronizing, second-handed, low key racism in this country that seems eager to overly laud or uplift minorities (esp black) from time to time. It mostly exists outside of Hollywood though. Low bail and Go-Fund-Me for Karmelo Anthony who stabbed white kid to death at track meet, idolizing and painting murals of pregnant-woman-robbing-violent-career-felon George Floyd who OD'd on enough fent to kill a small town during arrest etc etc.

It's a weird, over-compensatory flex that many black thinkers and pundits like Thomas Sowell and Jason Whitlock have been calling out for years. Malcolm X called it out over half a century ago.

Again, not saying it applies to this movie. I'll watch it and make that judgment for myself. But I hope you are laughing at it in this instance, in the context of this movie, and not as a more broad phenomenon in society. I have black buddies who have experienced this weird creepy patronizing verbal and emotional "coddling" from white liberals. The movie "Get Out" (Amazing and creative piece of "black art" imo) even mocks and satirizes this.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:07a, 4/24/25
Lol- like there hasn't been a bigger sellout than Jason Whitlock.

Whitlock begins the video by saying he was tweeting "whoever wrote this script should rot in hell for writing it." Then hours later is posting videos about how Christian he is.

He's like a voice for F16 (and most of them are uh, not intelligent, enough to realize he is a pandering sellout himself).
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:09a, 4/24/25
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^ This is an objectively insane position from which to start the conversation. People then defended the movie in response, and Whitlock's repugnant retort is to say that the only reason anyone likes the movie is because it's "black" and that, essentially, we're all sheep and no one could possibly defend/like the movie on its own merit. Never mind that he then goes on to show a complete misreading of the movie's themes. I'm not saying there's not some merit to what you're saying. But anyone arguing that point through Jason Whitlock's ridiculous, instigating bull**** is not the way to go.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:25a, 4/24/25
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^ This is an objectively insane position from which to start the conversation. People then defended the movie in response, and Whitlock's repugnant retort is to say that the only reason anyone likes the movie is because it's "black" and that, essentially, we're all sheep and no one could possibly defend/like the movie on its own merit. Never mind that he then goes on to show a complete misreading of the movie's themes. I'm not saying there's not some merit to what you're saying. But anyone arguing that point through Jason Whitlock's ridiculous, instigating bull**** is not the way to go.
Agreed...as controversial as he can be, I am pretty shocked to see him say something like this, unless there is some type of overt racism or evil/satanic stuff being championed in the movie. Which does not seem to be the case, from reviews I have seen and posts on here. And even then, it does not condone his above statement.

If anything, he makes me want to see this movie sooner, rather than wait for streaming.

Hope he's not losing his marbles.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:43a, 4/24/25
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I appreciate the nuanced discussion.

Despite what Whitlock says, the movie is not against white people, nor are white people as a race/culture the villain. Hell, one of the main black characters has a history with/gets with/ends up with a white girl.

It's such a stupid, reductive argument on Whitlock's part.

The movie is about *any* structure that seeks to assimilate, appropriate, and strip people of their culture/individualism, with the vampirism obviously being the metaphor in this instance. Does the main villain happen to be white? Yes. But his whiteness isn't what makes him bad. Rather, it's his insatiable desire to assimilate and appropriate. That's it and that's all.

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1:04p, 4/24/25
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2:02p, 4/24/25
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This would certainly help explain at least part of the delays. Coogler beat them to the punch...

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In reply to TCTTS • 2:25p, 4/24/25
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TCTTS said:
Essentially calling anyone who likes or defends this movie woke, race-obsessed sheep isn't an "opposing view." It's provocative, unsubstantiated, small-minded nonsense. Jason Whitlock is a clown.


I've always believed there is no wrong or right way to view art, but you do you.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:29p, 4/24/25
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It's ironic that the call came from inside the house, so to speak, from an MCU director.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 2:31p, 4/24/25
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I've always believed there is no wrong or right way to view art, but you do you.
Is that what you believed when you re-posted alleged Christian man Jason Whitlock, saying a scriptwriter should "burn in hell" for a movie he was pandering about?

No Christian man should say anyone should "burn in hell". But you chose to bring it here. (Without seeing the movie, I'm sure.)
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:36p, 4/24/25
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TCTTS said:
This would certainly help explain at least part of the delays. Coogler beat them to the punch...

This would have been an incredibly cool take on the character, too bad we likely won't ever get it.
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In reply to 20ag07 • 2:38p, 4/24/25
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I've always believed there is no wrong or right way to view art, but you do you.
Is that what you believed when you re-posted alleged Christian man Jason Whitlock, saying a scriptwriter should "burn in hell" for a movie he was pandering about?

No Christian man should say anyone should "burn in hell". But you chose to bring it here. (Without seeing the movie, I'm sure.)


That's his point of view, not mine as I haven't seen the movie. Does Christianity teach you to judge others?
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In reply to fig96 • 2:42p, 4/24/25
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Agreed.

What's hilarious is that they had apparently been developing the 1920s-set version of Blade since around 2018. Meanwhile, Coogler released Wakanda Forever in 2022, sold his 1930s-set vampire movie in late 2023, shot it in 2024, and released it in 2025. In other words, Marvel had every opportunity to get their **** together, then Coogler comes out of nowhere with his version and gets it made in record time.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 2:44p, 4/24/25
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That's his point of view, not mine as I haven't seen the movie. Does Christianity teach you to judge others?
It does not.

Nor should you be promoting stupid takes from a person who did, on a film you haven't seen.

But you did.
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:47p, 4/24/25
Pretty easy to get something done fast when you're getting $95M for a movie that should have cost $30M at most.
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2:54p, 4/24/25
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Every time I see this thread, I think of Farley in Tommy Boy after catching Spade.
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In reply to 20ag07 • 6:21p, 4/24/25
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That's his point of view, not mine as I haven't seen the movie. Does Christianity teach you to judge others?
It does not.

Nor should you be promoting stupid takes from a person who did, on a film you haven't seen.

But you did.


Posting for discussion is not promoting. You just can't stand it can you?
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 6:39p, 4/24/25
Can't stand what?

Pandering by Jason Whitlock, one day saying a scriptwriter can burn in hell, and the next day claiming he's a helpful Christian? People from F16 popping over posting about entertainment content they haven't seen?

No, I'm not a fan of those either of those 2 things.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 6:52p, 4/24/25
AG
Dude, come on.

At least be real.

A quick look at your posting history in the last few days alone and the one through-line is constant liberal bashing. And hey, that's obviously your prerogative - "you do you" is how you put it earlier in the thread, I believe - but you can't tell me with a straight face that someone as politically obsessed as you are - someone who spends day after day after day on the internet bashing liberals - posted that tweet here simply and innocently for the sake of "discussion."

Do you know how many times we've seen this playbook over the years? Someone from F16 clearly looking to stir up some ****, or start some asinine argument, who is then met with pushback, only to revert to "What? We can't just have a discussion?"

Give me a break.
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10:25p, 4/24/25
While the movie isn't as good as it's hyped to be, it's pretty solid. This thread, though. Jeebus.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:26a, 4/25/25
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It's apparent you guys can't handle someone not falling in and following what you believe. Not once have any of you addressed what he said, you've only attacked me and him. His point of view must be relevant. I'm really surprised you haven't been banned as ad hominem attacks aren't allowed. But please, tell us again you aren't woke.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 5:06a, 4/25/25
AG
Funky Winkerbean said:
It's apparent you guys can't handle someone not falling in and following what you believe. Not once have any of you addressed what he said, you've only attacked me and him. His point of view must be relevant. I'm really surprised you haven't been banned as ad hominem attacks aren't allowed. But please, tell us again you aren't woke.

Please explain to me how these three posts aren't addressing exactly what Whitlock said...

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Essentially calling anyone who likes or defends this movie woke, race-obsessed sheep isn't an "opposing view." It's provocative, unsubstantiated, small-minded nonsense.
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"Someone needs to burn in hell for writing and making the movie Sinner."

^ This is an objectively insane position from which to start the conversation. People then defended the movie in response, and Whitlock's repugnant retort is to say that the only reason anyone likes the movie is because it's "black" and that, essentially, we're all sheep and no one could possibly defend/like the movie on its own merit. Never mind that he then goes on to show a complete misreading of the movie's themes. I'm not saying there's not some merit to what you're saying. But anyone arguing that point through Jason Whitlock's ridiculous, instigating bull**** is not the way to go.
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Despite what Whitlock says, the movie is not against white people, nor are white people as a race/culture the villain. Hell, one of the main black characters has a history with/gets with/ends up with a white girl.

It's such a stupid, reductive argument on Whitlock's part.

The movie is about *any* structure that seeks to assimilate, appropriate, and strip people of their culture/individualism, with the vampirism obviously being the metaphor in this instance. Does the main villain happen to be white? Yes. But his whiteness isn't what makes him bad. Rather, it's his insatiable desire to assimilate and appropriate. That's it and that's all.

Also, pointing out that you frequently post anti-liberal sentiments on F16, thus lending credence to the assumption that you agree with Whitlock's words - which YOU posted - isn't an "ad hominem attack." It's simply making an observation based on factual data. I haven't called you a single name nor have "attacked" you in any sense of the word.

And if you think I'm "woke" for not agreeing with Jason freaking Whitlock claiming that the only reason millions of people like a massively popular movie is because said movie is "black," I don't know what to tell you.

Again, Whitlock STARTED from a position of saying that Ryan Coogler should BURN IN HELL for making Sinners. You then posting his follow up thoughts here as if they're not objectively vile/obtuse, and calling US out for not wanting to have a "discussion" about them, are simply not the actions of a sincere person.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 6:12a, 4/25/25
What you are talking about is what George W Bush called "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

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