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*** THE 97TH ACADEMY AWARDS ***

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Brian Earl Spilner
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:59p, 3/3/25
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How am I bent out of shape? I'm responding to your [much longer] posts.

I said there is a bias against horror in the Oscars. You agreed.

You said they didn't like it because it's a bad movie. I disagree with this speculation.

The end.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 6:03p, 3/3/25
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You just seem VERY agitated that I challenged the quality of the movie, that's all.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:07p, 3/3/25
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I've never had a problem with what people like or dislike.

My issue was you suggesting you somehow knew how the entire Academy thought because of your feelings on the movie or the couple of folks you spoke to.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter whether they dislike it because of its genre or not, the point remains that the Academy is much more likely to dislike horror movies than your standard drama or even comedy.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 6:12p, 3/3/25
AG
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I've never had a problem with what people like or dislike.

My issue was you suggesting you somehow knew how the entire Academy thought because of your feelings on the movie or the couple of folks you spoke to.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter whether they dislike it because of its genre or not, the point remains that the Academy is much more likely to dislike horror movies than your standard drama or even comedy.

This simply didn't happen. I made sure and chose my language specifically to not give that impression. You're the one who jumped to conclusions, hence my getting bent out of shape comment.
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6:12p, 3/3/25
Spliner you're super bent out of shape and now putting words into ttcsts mouth
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6:14p, 3/3/25
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Saw all the updates and thought they decided to just go ahead and give Denis Villeneuve an Oscar…but alas…
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In reply to veryfuller • 6:17p, 3/3/25
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I did in my heart, if that counts.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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6:22p, 3/3/25
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And I was merely saying that, in the minds of Academy, they didn't reward Demi because they felt she's in a bad movie, not because she's in a horror movie.


Right there. How could you possibly know that people's internal bias against horror is not the main factor in their dislike of the movie?

You say there's no correlation between the two. I'm saying, there very likely is.
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6:32p, 3/3/25
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We only saw The Substance and Dune in this list. We thought The Substance was shock and awe entertainment and kind of felt like this was more of a lifetime achievement nod for Demi although we thought she was good in the film.

The other thing we learned watching this is how utterly wrong we've been pronouncing Denis Villeneuve's name. Missed that by a mile.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 6:33p, 3/3/25
AG
Conveniently, you of course left out the sentence just before that where I said "swath of the Academy," clearly indicating that they're not a monolithic hive mind, and that I'm not ascribing that opinion to all Academy members, which is why I didn't feel the need to repeat the same clarification in the sentence you quoted above.

Again, for the umpteenth time, I'm talking about CERTAIN Academy members, not all Academy members, and I've already provided sourcing (Sean Fennessey's The Big Picture podcast, for instance), along with my own anecdotal experience, as to how I know that the horror element didn't factor into those certain opinions.

Good lord, dude, let it go.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:39p, 3/3/25
AG
Likewise, bruh.

My supporting evidence is basically the entire history of the Oscars and how little respect horror has gotten throughout its history.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 6:48p, 3/3/25
AG
I'm not saying they didn't dismiss it because it's horror!!!

I'm saying SOME of those people dismissed because they felt that it was simply a bad movie.

And that if they felt it was a good horror movie, that would have voted for it.

I'm not discounting you!

I'm adding an extra wrinkle!

That's all!

Holy ****, man.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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7:00p, 3/3/25
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That's a lot of laugh cry emojis, my man.

Again, this was weird debate. Not sure what anyone learned here.

In the end we both agree that there is a clear bias against horror and that it hurt Demi's chances.
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8:14p, 3/3/25
AG
For such an off/down year, this is better than anyone was expecting…

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8:14p, 3/3/25
would yall just ****ing kiss already
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8:28p, 3/3/25
My 2 cents probably isn't even worth that much due to inflation, but as much as I dearly loved Wicked, it seems unlikely it would win any acting awards since it's a musical. The nominations feel like tokens, letting them acknowledge that it was remarkably well done, a blast for most people to watch, and a throwback to how movies "used to be" with lots of singing and dancing. But because of its format, I suspect most of the voters didn't even bother trying to compare one acting performance to another, which is a shame. They should be able to view art as art, regardless of what form it takes - piggybacking off Mr. Spilner's point a bit.

I remember back in the 80s when Kevin Klline broke through and won as Otto in a Fish Called Wanda. You think that would have happened a few more times over the years, heck at least a nomination for someone who is pure genius in a comedy. Maybe there have been some and I just don't remember. RDJ in Tropic Thunder?

Gallifinakis (sp) in The Hangover comes to mind. Had we ever seen anything like that in a movie? Not me at least. Did he steal every scene he was in? Yes. Did he have a certain vulnerability beyond the jokes that made him a fascinating character? Certainly.

I don't have the faintest idea who votes for the Oscars, but you'd think after all this time they'd be willing to consider movies and roles that the majority of people clearly enjoyed rather than having to dig into all these bizarre films that no one saw except them and turn them into the anointed.

I'll be surprised if Wicked 2 gets even half as many noms as the first part did.
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In reply to Charlie Conway • 8:29p, 3/3/25
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Charlie Conway said:
would yall just ****ing kiss already

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Brian Earl Spilner
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8:52p, 3/3/25
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In reply to The Original Houston 1836 • 9:22p, 3/3/25
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Another great performance last year was Naomi Scott for Smile 2, I thought nomination worthy but I pretty much wrote that one off due to it being a horror movie.
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10:35p, 3/3/25
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Porkchops back
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In reply to Sea Speed • 10:45p, 3/3/25
Like clockwork
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In reply to bagger05 • 3:47a, 3/4/25
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TCTTS said:

Only watched the last little bit but several of the live updates said the political commentary was pretty limited and what was there was very "oblique." Lots of compliments for Conan as well.
I thought last year's Oscars were a much funnier presentation. Part of that was just the joyousness of the movies involved. People had actually seen last year's films, whereas most of the movies this year felt niche. It was the most "I haven't seen any of these films" year since the pandemic. Most people had no clue what Anora was three weeks ago.

I thought Conan was solid. His delivery was a bit off at times and his appearances sometimes felt like it stopped the flow rather than kept it going. His "Russian" line was a grade-A slammer, and the Sandler bit was great as well.

I also HATE this thing where people get on stage and klnobslobber over the Supporting Actor candidates (reading something they clearly didn't write with emotionless ardor), instead of playing powerful scenes from the film like they do other categories.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 5:00a, 3/4/25
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Sea Speed said:
Porkchops back


Lol, the dude was back within ~48 hrs after rage quitting, posting on the same movie vote thread that he started.
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6:33a, 3/4/25
Collette not getting a nomination for Heridetary was a significant snub, but aside from that over the last few decades what are we actually referencing when we talk about the dislike for the genre?

Who movies/actors legitimately got snubbed? I'm a huge fan of the genre, but even the movies I think are great are far from best picture caliber.
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11:10a, 3/4/25
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I was happy with the outcome.

I wanted Yura Borisov to win Best Supporting Actor. I liked Kieran but am in the group that it wasn't much range compared to other things he's played. He is funny but I felt like his press was a lot about how he basically memorizes lines, rolls out of bed and does his job. Kind of re-enforced my feeling that he kind of plays himself in ways. Yura owned every scene he was in, often without saying a word. But I still enjoyed Kierans performance so no issues.

Was glad Mikey won over Demi. It has nothing to do with horror in my vote, I just felt like Demi was only half her movie and Mikey carried more and did more with it. Also, like TCTTS, I really didn't care for The Substance. It made no sense to me. She makes a deal, then the deal basically ends up being that she'll be in a coma every other week while a young hot girl lives a fabulous life that she has zero connection to. There would already be a young hot girl taking her job and living a life, and in that scenario she didn't have to be in a closet every other week. Why on earth would she continue with the deal? It made no sense to me. The younger girl had no connection to her whatsoever and they didn't seem to share any consciousness. The movie emphasized there is no her or you, just one, but the movie didn't back that up at all. The two lived completely different lives and experiences. It was like it tried to use an outlandish story to make a point but it failed, whereas movies like Parasite of Triangle of Sadness would be examples of movies that did the same but succeeded.

I'll be interested in Bakers next moves. His success has been build around low budget and great casting of relative unknowns. Now that studios will basically give him a blank check, and he'll have access to every A list star in the world, what will he do?
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In reply to Jim01 • 11:27a, 3/4/25
AG
I felt the same way about The Substance, FWIW. It was a fun movie but didn't really add up. The people making the deal gain absolutely nothing from doing it.
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11:36a, 3/4/25
AG
You both nailed the fatal flaw of the movie. They at least needed to share the same consciousness in some way, but each body having its own agency or something. It made zero sense!
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Brian Earl Spilner
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1:07p, 3/4/25
AG
More Substance talk: I wish was made clear whether or not each consciousness is aware of what the other is doing.

As much as they drill the "YOU ARE ONE" message into your head throughout the movie, they both act as if they are not in control or at least aware of what the other one is doing.

So is it that at the moment of activation, Elisabeth's conscious is basically cloned, but after that point they are separate entities? It would explain why later in the movie they are both able to be awake simultaneously.

Although that also begs the question of why it wasn't possible earlier. Maybe it was and there was safeguards in place trying to prevent it.

Either way, I wish this was clearer, but I get that the movie wasn't really concerned with that kind of minutiae to get its message across.

Also when and how was she paying?
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 2:33p, 3/4/25
Proposition Joe said:
Collette not getting a nomination for Heridetary was a significant snub, but aside from that over the last few decades what are we actually referencing when we talk about the dislike for the genre?

Who movies/actors legitimately got snubbed? I'm a huge fan of the genre, but even the movies I think are great are far from best picture caliber.

And David Howard Thornton getting a best actor nom for Terrifier 2. Say what you will about the movie and it's content, but that was the Daniel Day Lewis of slasher performances.
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3:17p, 3/4/25
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So this year's ratings actually ended up beating last year's, which is insane...



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Brian Earl Spilner
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:24p, 3/4/25
AG
That makes more sense to me considering it never streamed on Hulu before this year.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:29p, 3/4/25
AG
Yeah, but there was an outage for a ton of Hulu users, and then it even cut off for everyone before the final two awards. Hopefully they get their **** together before next year.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:36p, 3/4/25
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It never cut off for me for some reason. Maybe cause I restarted the stream a couple times by accident.
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3:39p, 3/4/25
Steve Buscemi was hosed in the Oscar nomination for best supporting actor for Ghost World
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7:15p, 3/4/25
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Weighing in late on The Substance and Demi Moore, although I would not argue that the Academy has a bias against horror (and action, and pure comedy to some extent), I don't see how Moore being nominated and almost certainly finishing 2nd in the Best Actress race is a demonstration of that bias.

The film itself was, in my view, terrible. It simply did not work for me on any level; horror films are generally intended to either genuinely frighten the audience or to amuse the audience (camp, in essence), and this did neither. I found it dreadfully boring, and spent most of the last 45 minutes looking repeatedly at my watch and thinking, "Is this **** over yet?"

And although the Academy has occasionally rewarded outstanding performances in bad films (Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady comes to mind), Moore is not Streep and her performance was not a cinematic tour de force that outweighed the lousy movie in which it occurred.

tl;dr TCTTS is right, but he and Brian should still kiss.
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