Dumb Plot Holes that Bother You Every Time You Watch a Film

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AggieEP
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I was discussing this with some buddies the other day, and a couple of plot holes rose to the top as the most egregious ones that just don't make any sense at all.

1 - Darth Vader somehow seems unaware that Tatooine is in fact his own home planet, and that he has relatives there with his same last name... and this is the place where Obi Wan Kenobi decides to hide Luke?

The more you think about it, it just absolutely makes no sense at all. And while there is a lot of retconning of the Star Wars universe, Lucas knew from the beginning that Darth was going to be Luke's dad. I get that Darth might not get invited back for holiday dinners, but you'd think that in a super large galaxy that you wouldn't want to have Luke grow up using the Skywalker name and living on Darth's planet if the plan is to keep the child hidden. Also, Yoda seems to have just said F it all, screw the future by never training Luke or having Obi Wan do it, why the heck is Obi Wan suddenly so keen to train him after not doing crap for 20 years while Luke toils as a water farmer? And imagine how pissed whiny ass Luke should be when he finds out his sister got to be a princess while he farmed in the desert.

2 - The T-Rex levitating out of its cage in Jurassic Park

No one will ever convince me that the T-Rex didn't fly out of its cage. We see the Rex rip down a fence, crush some cars, and then push one of the cars through the hole he made in the fence only to see the car plummet down into some trees. How in the world did T-Rex manage to walk out of his cage if there is a giant dropoff on the other side of the fence? The book talks about moats, but this is no moat. The whole enclosure seems to be sunken down like 100 feet from the road. So how in the world are the visitors supposed to see T-Rex from the cars when he's down in his cage? Of course, this is balanced against the fact that we do see the goat at road level. This begs the question, which reality is real, the one with a road level goat, or the one where a car tumbles 100 feet into the trees. Maybe there is some kind of super steep hill right near where the goat was raised? That's the logical answer I guess, but we see no evidence of this hill, and such a set up would again mean T-Rex is not at eye level for visitors except when tempted by a goat.

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Vader was not originally Luke's father. It wasn't til they were working on Empire that Lucas came up with that.

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The Fury crew lasting more than 30 seconds in an immobilized tank versus a veteran German force with anti-tank weapons.
AggieEP
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Touche

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-darth-vader-original-backstory/

I'd taken Lucas at his word, but it appears it's possible he did not originally plan to have Luke be Vader's son.
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AggieEP said:



2 - The T-Rex levitating out of its cage in Jurassic Park


The original script goes into details about this and if you ever see the DVD extras there's an animatic of it. They either didn't film it or it the scene got cut.

71 ON THE ROAD

the T-rex starts to nudge the Explorer toward the barrier. Over
the barrier, there is a gentle terraced area at one side where the rex
emerged from, but the car isn't next to that, it's next to a sharp
precipice, representing a fifty or sixty foot drop.


The car, upside down now, is pushed near the edge.

The rex towers over the car. Like a dog, its puts one foot on
the chassis and tears a the undercarriage with its jaws.

Biting at anything it can get a hold of, it rips the rear axle
free, tosses it aside, and bites into a tire.

The tire EXPLODES, startling the animal.

72 INSIDE THE CAR,

Tim and Lex are trapped inside the rapidly flattening car. As
the frame continues to buckle, they crawl toward the open rear window,
the car collapsing behind them. Mud and rain water pout into what
little space there is left.

Tim is ahead, nearing the back window, when there is a CRUNCH
and a seat comes down, pinning him.

73 ON THE ROAD,

the dinosaur backs up, dragging the Explorer, swinging it left
and right. It seems ready to fling it over the edge.
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As thrilling as the walk-off bunt was in Major League, and as wild and entertaining as the Indian fans were inside the stadium, the regular season head to head results would have put the single game tiebreaker in New York, not Cleveland.
AggieEP
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I've heard this theory before, but why have a zoo with large areas that the animals cannot be seen from your vehicle tour? Also there is no visual proof for this theory.

Earlier in the film when they are at the Rex cage in the daytime we get a wide angle shot including the goat and we see that the entire visible area is at road level. There is no moat, there are no cliffs. There is no possible way for the scene to play out the way it does.

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AggieEP said:

I've heard this theory before, but why have a zoo with large areas that the animals cannot be seen from your vehicle tour? Also there is no visual proof for this theory.

Earlier in the film when they are at the Rex cage in the daytime we get a wide angle shot including the goat and we see that the entire visible area is at road level. There is no moat, there are no cliffs. There is no possible way for the scene to play out the way it does.



It's not a theory, it's in the script which I printed part of for you above. And the animatic is on the DVD. I used to have it. There's a good 30-45 minutes of stuff about the process of making the movie on there.
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Wouldn't it be easier for NASA to train astronauts how to drill rather than training drillers to be astronauts? - Ben Affleck

Shut the **** up - Michael Bay
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BenTheGoodAg said:

Wouldn't it be easier for NASA to train astronauts how to drill rather than training drillers to be astronauts? - Ben Affleck

Shut the **** up - Michael Bay

This one always gets me lol
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I've said this one before…

The Rock, when Connery and Cage are breaking back into the prison, Sean rolls through a complicated series of fire and man crushing gear type things, emerges from the other side and opens the door for Cage. Why didn't Connery just go out the door when was breaking out of the prison?
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This video gets me. I swear I have *****ed at every single one of these in real life.

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Why do the giant eagles keep showing up to save hobbits, wizards, and dwarfs only at the most perilous moments? Could they not fly them all the way to the Lonely Mountain or Mount Doom to begin with? Feels like they're really under utilizing them for travel and could have saved a lot of time.

Why does Skynet insist on only sending back one terminator at a time, each time?

Isn't the crane kick illegal because it's a kick to the face?

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Why does Buzz freeze in Toy Story when he thinks he's real?
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AggieEP said:


1 - Darth Vader somehow seems unaware that Tatooine is in fact his own home planet, and that he has relatives there with his same last name... and this is the place where Obi Wan Kenobi decides to hide Luke?

The more you think about it, it just absolutely makes no sense at all. And while there is a lot of retconning of the Star Wars universe, Lucas knew from the beginning that Darth was going to be Luke's dad. I get that Darth might not get invited back for holiday dinners, but you'd think that in a super large galaxy that you wouldn't want to have Luke grow up using the Skywalker name and living on Darth's planet if the plan is to keep the child hidden. Also, Yoda seems to have just said F it all, screw the future by never training Luke or having Obi Wan do it, why the heck is Obi Wan suddenly so keen to train him after not doing crap for 20 years while Luke toils as a water farmer? And imagine how pissed whiny ass Luke should be when he finds out his sister got to be a princess while he farmed in the desert.



Darth knows about Lars but just that his mom died because the husband was waiting for his amputated leg to grow back to go save her. It's a done story at that point for him.

Darth didn't know about his kids at all at that point. Agree Luke should have gone by Lars but the galaxy is a big place. Also, all he knew was some escape pod fell down to his home planet and perhaps he figured the Empire could easily take care of this without him having to intervene. Besides, we all know how Anakin feels about sand.
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I'll give Lucas a pass on the plot holes of the original trilogy that were created with the making of the later films. Now, if you want to call out Lucas for lazy writing with the prequels that created those plot holes, that's a different argument.
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Danielsan's illegal kick to Johnny's face
maroon barchetta
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Going back to where you had been a child slave and your mother had died would not be high on Vader's list of places to visit.
CharleyKerfeld
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I"m always bothered in the Empire Strikes Back that Lando has no idea who Luke Skywalker is. It's about 18 mos after the Death Star blew up, and even if the Empire has just done the biggest disinformation campaign of all time about what happened, they'd clearly have Luke #1 on their wanted fugitives list and Lando would know what happened through all this background / underworld connections.

Instead, he tells Han and Leia, "He doesn't want you at all, he's after someone named, uh, Skywalker."

It's like Perry White talking to Lois Lane and JImmy Olsen saying,"Luthor doesn't want you at all, he's after someone named, uh, Super, somebody."
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This is quite a stretch.
MSFC Aggie
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How Buddy got back on the team in Hoosiers. I know all of it was cut from the final product, but bothers me he was kicked off the team, and after a couple of games, is back on the team.
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Eliminatus said:

This video gets me. I swear I have *****ed at every single one of these in real life.




The part about the "math genius" just canceling the X across terms really hits home. I teach math at Nuclear Power School, and we refer to that as Answer by Accident due to breaking math. I actually lol'd.
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1 - Darth Vader somehow seems unaware that Tatooine is in fact his own home planet, and that he has relatives there with his same last name... and this is the place where Obi Wan Kenobi decides to hide Luke?

Not sure I follow this one. Vader didn't have any family on Tatooine with his own last name UNTIL Obi Wan put Luke there. It's not like Obi Wan sent Luke to live with a bunch of other Skywalkers who were already there. Also Obi Wan was aware that Vader's mother died there, sort of precipitating his turn to the dark side, and maybe he knew it was somewhere that Vader would never go back to and the last place he would look.
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Idk, a lot of these aren't so much "plot holes" as they are "dumb character decisions". I think of plot holes as "who did Cypher have loading him into/out of the Matrix" or "how did Andy tape the poster back in place when escaping Shawshank".

One that always bugged me is in The Dark Knight when Batman saves Rachel from falling out of the window, they never address that the Joker was left in a room of city officials. I assume he left but it seems like a missing scene.
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or why Buzz thinks he's a real space ranger but still freezes when people are around
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Funny sequence in Rambo: First Blood Part II, where he has submerged himself into some mud. A sap comes along, you see Rambo's eye open and his arm comes out of the mud with his big ass knife to kill the sap. How did he cover his arm with that mud after covering the remainder of his body?
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The most notable for me is Batman Begins. The water vaporizer contraption.... how is it only impacting the water supply via pipes? What about people?

Raiders of the Lost Ark is also one I remember debating for years, and now it is pretty damn common. Indy doesn't impact the movie. If he doesn't go, Nazis still find the ark and die.
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maroon barchetta said:

Going back to where you had been a child slave and your mother had died would not be high on Vader's list of places to visit.

Plus the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
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The Collective said:

The most notable for me is Batman Begins. The water vaporizer contraption.... how is it only impacting the water supply via pipes? What about people?

Raiders of the Lost Ark is also one I remember debating for years, and now it is pretty damn common. Indy doesn't impact the movie. If he doesn't go, Nazis still find the ark and die.


How did Indy and Marion get the Ark back to the sub and then pilot the sub across the ocean to civilization?
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Kenobi used Vader's trauma against him. How very 2026 of Obi.
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This is a dumb one but it still bothers me: how did Cadet James T. Kirk in Star Trek (09) get to jump over every 20+ year Star Fleet veteran to take command of the newest and most powerful Space Battleship? I don't care if the admiral loves you, that's not how this works.
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He needed to be relieved, and Kirk was just the one to do it.
Im Gipper
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Sapper Redux said:

This is a dumb one but it still bothers me: how did Cadet James T. Kirk in Star Trek (09) get to jump over every 20+ year Star Fleet veteran to take command of the newest and most powerful Space Battleship? I don't care if the admiral loves you, that's not how this works.

How does it work with Star Fleet based on your experience?

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AggieEP said:



2 - The T-Rex levitating out of its cage in Jurassic Park

No one will ever convince me that the T-Rex didn't fly out of its cage. We see the Rex rip down a fence, crush some cars, and then push one of the cars through the hole he made in the fence only to see the car plummet down into some trees. How in the world did T-Rex manage to walk out of his cage if there is a giant dropoff on the other side of the fence? The book talks about moats, but this is no moat. The whole enclosure seems to be sunken down like 100 feet from the road. So how in the world are the visitors supposed to see T-Rex from the cars when he's down in his cage? Of course, this is balanced against the fact that we do see the goat at road level. This begs the question, which reality is real, the one with a road level goat, or the one where a car tumbles 100 feet into the trees. Maybe there is some kind of super steep hill right near where the goat was raised? That's the logical answer I guess, but we see no evidence of this hill, and such a set up would again mean T-Rex is not at eye level for visitors except when tempted by a goat.




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Milwaukees Best Light said:

I've said this one before…

The Rock, when Connery and Cage are breaking back into the prison, Sean rolls through a complicated series of fire and man crushing gear type things, emerges from the other side and opens the door for Cage. Why didn't Connery just go out the door when was breaking out of the prison?
I'll do you one better. Why are those fire things still going however many years after the prison is closed?
 
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