Dumb Plot Holes that Bother You Every Time You Watch a Film

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Just about every show where they leave one country and are in another one the other side of the world that night.

No account for travel time
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I don't know if this classifies as a "plot hole" or just a really bad job of thinking it through but "Signs". The aliens whose weakness is water decide to invade a planet that is 75% covered by it.
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Stitch didn't have a problem with it.

And neither did the aliens in ID4
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Hank the Grifter said:

I don't know if this classifies as a "plot hole" or just a really bad job of thinking it through but "Signs". The aliens whose weakness is water decide to invade a planet that is 75% covered by it.

I don't really see this as a plot hole as the viewer isn't really supposed to know the motivation of the aliens and why they are on Earth. Everything is through the viewpoint of one family who doesn't really know what's going on. It's the alien invasion version of Night of the Living Dead. For all we know, this is the last of their species, their home world is no longer liveable and Earth is the only planet they've found that supports life. The "why they're here" is inconsequential.
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In Oceans Eleven, how did the flyers for hookers get smuggled into the vault before being carried back out by the Bellagio staff?

You may think you have an answer, but you don't.
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Im Gipper said:

AggieEP said:



2 - The T-Rex levitating out of its cage in Jurassic Park

No one will ever convince me that the T-Rex didn't fly out of its cage. We see the Rex rip down a fence, crush some cars, and then push one of the cars through the hole he made in the fence only to see the car plummet down into some trees. How in the world did T-Rex manage to walk out of his cage if there is a giant dropoff on the other side of the fence? The book talks about moats, but this is no moat. The whole enclosure seems to be sunken down like 100 feet from the road. So how in the world are the visitors supposed to see T-Rex from the cars when he's down in his cage? Of course, this is balanced against the fact that we do see the goat at road level. This begs the question, which reality is real, the one with a road level goat, or the one where a car tumbles 100 feet into the trees. Maybe there is some kind of super steep hill right near where the goat was raised? That's the logical answer I guess, but we see no evidence of this hill, and such a set up would again mean T-Rex is not at eye level for visitors except when tempted by a goat.







That picture is just retconned fanwork. The scene earlier in the movie clearly shows the jungle all the way to the fence around the bend up to a tunnel.

Here I'll post the rest of the quote that CharleyKerfield abbreviated above to make it seem like there was support for this magical cliff.

Quote below:

David Koepp was never entirely convinced by the scene in which the T. rex pushes the tour car over the barrier at the edge of the road. His final draft reads: "Over the barrier, there is a gentle terraced area at one side where the rex emerged from, but the car isn't next to that, it's next to a sharp precipice, representing a fifty or sixty foot drop." Onscreen, it's clear that the road is hemmed in by jungle on either side. "Then the T. rex attacks, and the car starts to spin around… and they're shoved to the edge of what is now a perilous cliff. That has never been there before," says Koepp. During the shoot, the screenwriter questioned Spielberg about this geographical trick. "I said, 'Aren't we going to wonder where the cliff came from?' " Spielberg pointed to the life-size Stan Winstoncreated animatronic dinosaur. "And he said, 'There's a T. rex right there!' " In other words, the director knew that audiences would be too enraptured by this terrifying creature to notice the sudden appearance of a sheer drop.
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Gramercy Riffs said:

As thrilling as the walk-off bunt was in Major League, and as wild and entertaining as the Indian fans were inside the stadium, the regular season head to head results would have put the single game tiebreaker in New York, not Cleveland.


Speaking of sports movies, the final scenes of Remember the Titans made me think that the filmmakers didn't really understand the rules of football. Why is the opposing team not taking a knee? Why risk a fumble? Then to compound the mistake, somehow the Titans have to take a timeout following the change of possession to stop the clock?
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AozorAg said:

1 - Darth Vader somehow seems unaware that Tatooine is in fact his own home planet, and that he has relatives there with his same last name... and this is the place where Obi Wan Kenobi decides to hide Luke?

Not sure I follow this one. Vader didn't have any family on Tatooine with his own last name UNTIL Obi Wan put Luke there. It's not like Obi Wan sent Luke to live with a bunch of other Skywalkers who were already there. Also Obi Wan was aware that Vader's mother died there, sort of precipitating his turn to the dark side, and maybe he knew it was somewhere that Vader would never go back to and the last place he would look.


I guess my main point is that with the fate of the entire galaxy at stake, you hide the kid of Vader and let him carry the Skywalker name on Vader's planet AND the Jedi protecting him there makes no effort to train him and prepare him for his galaxy saving role.

Even if I grant that Vader has no interest in returning, the risk to the boy by letting him carry the Skywalker name cannot be explained. And if we accept that Lucas had no intention of having Vader be Luke's father at first, it still wouldn't make sense for Obi Wan not to train Luke. In fact Obi Wan has decided to train Luke within about 5 minutes of dialogue despite having over 20 years of chances to do it earlier and not.
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I'll go one further with Major League. The final play call is a stolen base with Jake Taylor's bunt. The Ruthian called shot is nice theatre. The Duke buzzes the tower in retaliation.

The problem is that Willie Mays Hays would have been stealing on the pitch that buzzes the tower (called steal), not the following pitch when Taylor actually lays the bunt down.
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That and Obi-Wan Kenobi changed his name to Ben Kenobi and kept wearing Jedi robes. Somehow the Empire never saw through that.

Another big Star Wars is: what exactly was the plan to rescue Han at the beginning of ROTJ? It seemed like three separate uncoordinated plans by Leia, Luke, and Lando.
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Pippin was responsible for putting Luke on Tattooine.




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Time travel in Harry potter?????
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All these "Star Wars" comments remind of this:

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Stuart is the man
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Leaving the prequels out of it for a moment, here's my thinking:

The galaxy is ****ed and Obi-wan is living as a recluse. Leia smuggled the Death Star plans away and sent them to him, the only man she knew she could trust to get it the rest of the way to the Rebellion. I don't know that he was keeping an eye on Luke per se; he certainly wasn't planning to get back into the fight.

But anyway, Luke's family is killed, and Obi-wan is needed, so he takes off and brings Luke with him. May as well teach him some survival skills too.

If this is all true, a better question might be "how did Leia know Obi-wan was on Tattooine?" But I guess perhaps her father told her. "If you're ever in dire straits, there's an old general on Tattooine who will come to your aid if you ask" kind of thing.
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AggieEP said:

Gramercy Riffs said:

As thrilling as the walk-off bunt was in Major League, and as wild and entertaining as the Indian fans were inside the stadium, the regular season head to head results would have put the single game tiebreaker in New York, not Cleveland.


Speaking of sports movies, the final scenes of Remember the Titans made me think that the filmmakers didn't really understand the rules of football. Why is the opposing team not taking a knee? Why risk a fumble? Then to compound the mistake, somehow the Titans have to take a timeout following the change of possession to stop the clock?

Ask Mario Cristobal.
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AggieEP said:

Gramercy Riffs said:

As thrilling as the walk-off bunt was in Major League, and as wild and entertaining as the Indian fans were inside the stadium, the regular season head to head results would have put the single game tiebreaker in New York, not Cleveland.


Speaking of sports movies, the final scenes of Remember the Titans made me think that the filmmakers didn't really understand the rules of football. Why is the opposing team not taking a knee? Why risk a fumble? Then to compound the mistake, somehow the Titans have to take a timeout following the change of possession to stop the clock?


Remember the titans took liberty with the guy who got in a car crash (Gary burtier I think). That part of the movie always bothered me with how sad it was and imo doesn't add that much to the story. Would've been epic to seen him in the last game.

Googled it and turns out that guy got in a car crash after the season so Disney did that just to f with us for dramatic effect
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Isn't the reason Obi-Wan never trained Luke was bc Uncle Owen wouldn't let him?
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SgtBarbarossa said:

Idk, a lot of these aren't so much "plot holes" as they are "dumb character decisions". I think of plot holes as "who did Cypher have loading him into/out of the Matrix" or "how did Andy tape the poster back in place when escaping Shawshank".

One that always bugged me is in The Dark Knight when Batman saves Rachel from falling out of the window, they never address that the Joker was left in a room of city officials. I assume he left but it seems like a missing scene.



I also had the same thought in Shawshank. Same scene in TDK, Batman and Rachel fall 70 stories only to land unscathed on top of car… but if a stretch.
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Andy's poster was just attached at the top. He'd lift it up to sneak in and let it fall. You see him lifting it up to chisel earlier in the movie.
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Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.
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Sooper Jeenyus said:

Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.


There is that.
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Varsity Blues. The last game they played in high school was the district championship. No regionals, no state championship. They just stopped after district.
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RooAg said:

Varsity Blues. The last game they played in high school was the district championship. No regionals, no state championship. They just stopped after district.


I always just tell myself they probably got absolutely slaughtered the next week with a 18 yr old high school kid on crutches as their head coach.
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maroon barchetta said:

Sooper Jeenyus said:

Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.


There is that.


Shawshank is pretty close to perfect but seems pretty unlikely one prisoner would stay in the same cell for almost 20 years.
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Uncle Owen makes a comment about Obi Wan and Luke's father being fools, but it's unclear how much he knows about the Jedi and what plans they might have for Luke. He forbids Luke from going to flight school at the official rebellion training school (seems like that would have been a target of the empire) but we never hear him explicitly say he forbids Obi Wan from training Luke.

In fact, if I really want to complain about Star Wars, I've never understood the widespread feeling of skepticism that most people in the universe have for the force. Tarkin gets snarky with Vader about it and has to be choked to be reminded about the power of the force. Han makes a bunch of comments as well. You'd think that rumors would be widespread about the light saber wielding, magical sorcerers that can move things with their minds and jump fantastically high in the air. Instead everyone seems to regard the Jedi as frauds and snake oil salesmen.

But.... I guess this is retconned in for us when we find out that Jedi Masters are nothing more than annoying bureaucrats that argue incessantly in their council chamber while the Sith lord takes power literally right under their noses.
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

maroon barchetta said:

Sooper Jeenyus said:

Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.


There is that.


Shawshank is pretty close to perfect but seems pretty unlikely one prisoner would stay in the same cell for almost 20 years.


He doesn't really start the escape plan for a while, so it's possible he was moved between cells periodically at the beginning. We don't have a real good sense of time at the end of the film, not sure how long it would take him to make his hole, but I can't imagine more than a year if he works every night.

I've never thought too hard about the logistics of the escape before, but I think the filmmakers keep it vague because the details likely wouldn't add up if they tried to explain more. Unless he had access to a schematic plan of the prison, he'd probably really struggle to navigate through a pipe in the pitch dark.
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Clue is one of my absolute favorites. Easy rewatch over and over. So smart and funny.

But the plot hole around Mr Boddy being Wadsworth's real butler and showing up as a sacrificial lamb makes no sense. I choose to ignore it (and other plot holes) and just enjoy the movie.
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I always assumed Andy was busting thru a clay tile pipe.
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

maroon barchetta said:

Sooper Jeenyus said:

Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.


There is that.


Shawshank is pretty close to perfect but seems pretty unlikely one prisoner would stay in the same cell for almost 20 years.


Why? I'm not knowledgeable on the inner workings of prisons, but I'm sure they were different in the 40s-60s than they are today.
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

maroon barchetta said:

Sooper Jeenyus said:

Yeah… but he just opens up a man sized hole in the fortuitously located sewer pipe with nothing but a rock and a couple minutes? They made pipes to last back then.

And there's no way that pipe contains sufficient oxygen. It's full of methane. He would have died in there within 30 seconds.


There is that.


Shawshank is pretty close to perfect but seems pretty unlikely one prisoner would stay in the same cell for almost 20 years.


How could you be so obtuse?
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maroon barchetta said:

I always assumed Andy was busting thru a clay tile pipe.


Even if it was cast iron, cast iron metal is what class? Very very brittle. Cast iron pipe is very easy to break.
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Did any one report or investigate the large sewage leak inside the prison? Or did Andy reseal the pipe when he entered like he resealed the poster
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maroon barchetta said:

Going back to where you had been a child slave and your mother had died would not be high on Vader's list of places to visit.


Could argue those TPM years were the best of Anakins life. Friends, building racers and racing. Kinda all downhill from there.
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AggieEP said:

Uncle Owen makes a comment about Obi Wan and Luke's father being fools, but it's unclear how much he knows about the Jedi and what plans they might have for Luke. He forbids Luke from going to flight school at the official rebellion training school (seems like that would have been a target of the empire) but we never hear him explicitly say he forbids Obi Wan from training Luke.

In fact, if I really want to complain about Star Wars, I've never understood the widespread feeling of skepticism that most people in the universe have for the force. Tarkin gets snarky with Vader about it and has to be choked to be reminded about the power of the force. Han makes a bunch of comments as well. You'd think that rumors would be widespread about the light saber wielding, magical sorcerers that can move things with their minds and jump fantastically high in the air. Instead everyone seems to regard the Jedi as frauds and snake oil salesmen.

But.... I guess this is retconned in for us when we find out that Jedi Masters are nothing more than annoying bureaucrats that argue incessantly in their council chamber while the Sith lord takes power literally right under their noses.


They had been exterminated decades before. Considering the attention span is minutes in our current society, it's not hard to believe that people spread throughout the galaxy would become skeptical about something that's been gone for an entire generation. Especially for the 99% who have never personally encountered it.
 
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