***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Rossticus
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This can't be for real…

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If that was true the war would have been over long ago
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“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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and with all the fuel shortages now, only military vehicles will have fuel which means even more easy drone targets
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docb said:

If that was true the war would have been over long ago


Yeah, but we said that when they were pulling out antique weapons/equipment, running assaults with e-bikes, mopeds, and minivans, amongst other strange behaviors. Replacing diesel engines with steam engines out of museums to conserve fuel wouldn't even be top 3 weirdest thing they've done. I'll give it a bit to see if we witness other instances of this.
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Rossticus said:

docb said:

If that was true the war would have been over long ago


Yeah, but we said that when they were pulling out antique weapons/equipment, running assaults with e-bikes, mopeds, and minivans, amongst other strange behaviors. Replacing diesel engines with steam engines out of museums to conserve fuel wouldn't even be top 3 weirdest thing they've done. I'll give it a bit to see if we witness other instances of this.

I'm just thinking about how many functional steam locomotives we have in this country and it really is not that many to be of any practical use. And compare that to Russia where I cannot imagine they have the same number preserved that we do here and likely in a poor functioning state. Seems like it would just be easier to import some diesel fuel in for critical services. I guess I'm just thinking that if our own country has to revert back to steam power the **** has already hit the fan.
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They're trying to import fuel. I think they're getting some from China and Belarus but Kazakhstan just shot them down. They're not getting enough to meet basic societal and industrial need for sure, though I don't know what their military deficit is.
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I wonder if Ukraine tskes Crimea back ol Putin takes out tactical nukes
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Rossticus said:

They're trying to import fuel. I think they're getting some from China and Belarus but Kazakhstan just shot them down. They're not getting enough to meet basic societal and industrial need for sure, though I don't know what their military deficit is.

Russia should have gone to the table hard a year ago. I think they've missed their opportunity now. The changes to warfare that have come out of this will be mind boggling. Every coountry on earth has to massively rethink everything from military armament to building codes.
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docb said:

Rossticus said:

docb said:

If that was true the war would have been over long ago


Yeah, but we said that when they were pulling out antique weapons/equipment, running assaults with e-bikes, mopeds, and minivans, amongst other strange behaviors. Replacing diesel engines with steam engines out of museums to conserve fuel wouldn't even be top 3 weirdest thing they've done. I'll give it a bit to see if we witness other instances of this.

I'm just thinking about how many functional steam locomotives we have in this country and it really is not that many to be of any practical use. And compare that to Russia where I cannot imagine they have the same number preserved that we do here and likely in a poor functioning state. Seems like it would just be easier to import some diesel fuel in for critical services. I guess I'm just thinking that if our own country has to revert back to steam power the **** has already hit the fan.

but they never get rid of anything. Hell they probable got lend lease C-47 and deuce and halves somewhere
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Russian's better get re-aquainted with the abbreviation hp.
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Putin is a monster, he murdered his rivals. He needs to be eliminated before he does something really stupid with his nukes.
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I don't think the avg Russian is connecting the dots yet. e.g. Putin's SMO is the root cause. If Ukraine can maintain this pressure through Sep/Oct (3-4 mo's), all hell will break lose.
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benchmark said:

I don't think the avg Russian is connecting the dots yet. e.g. Putin's SMO is the root cause. If Ukraine can maintain this pressure through Sep/Oct (3-4 mo's), all hell will break lose.

Why that long? Election coming up in Russia or something? I thought Putin was President for Life? Or is that Xi in China?
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Yea elections, either you vote Putin or you vote for fall outta a window or sent straight to Uke frontlines
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5Amp said:

Putin is a monster, he murdered his rivals. He needs to be eliminated before he does something really stupid with his nukes.


I put the odds around 50% Russia uses a nuke if Ukraine keeps attacking its critical infrastructure.
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BlackGold said:

5Amp said:

Putin is a monster, he murdered his rivals. He needs to be eliminated before he does something really stupid with his nukes.


I put the odds around 50% Russia uses a nuke if Ukraine keeps attacking its critical infrastructure.


Nuke what? Kiev?
Not going to happen.

This attack method after wearing down Russian air defenses will hopefully bring Russia to its knees. Apparently only 1 remaining fully functional refinery up by Finland.

Im not even sure Russia has the manpower to rebuild the more delicate parts of the refineries. Now all Ukraine has to do is keep striking those as theyre built, which cant be fast as compared to storage tanks.
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For the 5,000th time, Russia will not use a nuke. It has way, way, way more to lose if it does that.
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BlackGold said:

5Amp said:

Putin is a monster, he murdered his rivals. He needs to be eliminated before he does something really stupid with his nukes.


I put the odds around 50% Russia uses a nuke if Ukraine keeps attacking its critical infrastructure.

You people have been saying this for 4 years now every time momentum shifts for Ukraine
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aggiehawg said:

benchmark said:

I don't think the avg Russian is connecting the dots yet. e.g. Putin's SMO is the root cause. If Ukraine can maintain this pressure through Sep/Oct (3-4 mo's), all hell will break lose.

Why that long? Election coming up in Russia or something? I thought Putin was President for Life? Or is that Xi in China?


Russia has "elections" but they're meaningless. Putin is in power until he dies or until he dies.
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If they deem ukraines attacks as an existential threat to their existence, they'll use nukes.

What's the point of having nukes as a deterrent if a smaller country is just going to punk you on your home turf? Countries with nukes don't get attacked in today's world.
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Teslag said:

BlackGold said:

5Amp said:

Putin is a monster, he murdered his rivals. He needs to be eliminated before he does something really stupid with his nukes.


I put the odds around 50% Russia uses a nuke if Ukraine keeps attacking its critical infrastructure.

You people have been saying this for 4 years now every time momentum shifts for Ukraine


I've never once insinuated Russia could or should use nukes, until now. I'm also not saying they should, but they could.
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aggiehawg said:

Why that long? Election coming up in Russia or something? I thought Putin was President for Life? Or is that Xi in China?

For sure. Hopefully sooner ... but the window of opportunity is before Winter when the weather becomes less drone-friendly.
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benchmark said:

aggiehawg said:

Why that long? Election coming up in Russia or something? I thought Putin was President for Life? Or is that Xi in China?

For sure. Hopefully sooner ... but the window of opportunity is before Winter when the weather becomes less drone-friendly.

Aah! Okay that makes more sense to me. Weather not being conducive to support those large scale drone operations. (Feel stupid for not thinking of that first thing.)

Thanks.
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Those who do have little to look forward to. According to Russian military bloggers, the average life expectancy of a new recruitfrom arrival at a training ground to death in a combat zonelies somewhere between 10 days and three weeks. Once they are sent onto the battlefield, Russian fighters survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes. Much of the reason for this is the extraordinary shift in battlefield technology and tacticsin particular, the ways that drones have become the primary killing machines in this war, with stark implications for the future of combat in other parts of the world.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/25/russia-ukraine-war-putin-escalation-nato-europe/
https://archive.is/NbRkG#selection-3873.0-3889.484
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benchmark said:

aggiehawg said:

Why that long? Election coming up in Russia or something? I thought Putin was President for Life? Or is that Xi in China?

For sure. Hopefully sooner ... but the window of opportunity is before Winter when the weather becomes less drone-friendly.

Depends...

Cold air is fat air.

Allows larger payloads.
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According to VChK-OGPU, the recent drone attacks on Moscow's Kapotnya oil refinery have prevented the facility shipping fuel since the striked. It will take two or three months to carry out repairs, but one of the cracking columns is irreparably damaged.

Similar serious damage has also been inflicted on the Yaroslavl and Ryazan refineries, with diesel production at Yaroslavl completely disabled "for a very long time". The two refineries had previously been principal suppliers of fuel to Moscow.

The Noginsk oil refinery and depot east of Moscow is now the capital's main supplier of diesel and gasoline, but does not have anything like enough capacity to fully supply the capital, let alone the wider Moscow region.

Whereas Ukraine had previously targeted oil storage tanks, which can be replaced fairly quickly, the cracking units are a much more difficult proposition. Due to Western sanctions, they can only now be ordered from China.

It takes about 18 months to build a new cracking unit, with shipping and installation requiring several months more. A destroyed cracking unit may thus take as long as two years to replace.

Russia has turned to Belarus, Georgia, and Kazakhstan to try to alleviate the current shortages with fuel from their own refineries. It has suspended fuel exports from its own refineries. It is also shipping fuel from a Russian-owned refinery in India back to Russia.

Within Russia, the regions of Kabardino-Balkaria and Dagestan are reportedly considering allowing so-called "samovars" (micro-refineries), which caused catastrophic environmental damage when they were last used during the 1990s and early 2000s prior to being outlawed.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/29/despite-best-efforts-trump-may-have-won-war-for-kyiv/
Certainly helped Ukraine when they just decided to hit what they needed to
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Ukraine's Air Force getting a big bump from Sweden.

"Taken together, the Gripen C/D and Gripen E will provide Ukraine with a modern, networked fighter force unlike anything it has operated before. Combined with long-range Meteor missiles and Erieye AEW&C support, the aircraft will significantly enhance Ukraine's ability to challenge Russian airpower and defend its airspace, and it will also be able to deliver precise attacks against surface targets."

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