GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

I'll either register or get rid of it.

Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.

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It's all about incrementalism. What are you going to do when they then require a stamp for an AR-15 style weapon? Than a semiautomatic rifle? Than a long rifle? Get rid of your guns affected then?


And yes, your vote for Brandon helps enable these actions. Quit trying to downplay it because we've already seen you go from "Oh, brandon is terrible I'd totally vote for Trump next time" to full blown TDS you had pre-2020 election.

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WaltonAg18 said:

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I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.

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Are you communist?

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I'm the same thing I've always claimed to be on this website, a leftist. I don't get along with liberals mostly because they're classist and don't care about poor people. Neither do conservatives, but at least they're honest about it, like the poster who said he would gladly step over the bodies of starving people on his way into the office.

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FYI a leftist is way worse in a conservatives eyes than a true liberal. Leftists want to use government to control people. Taking away their guns is one way to do it further.

Way to be hypocritical.

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I don't give a rats ass how I appear in the eyes of people who don't care about their fellow man, but regardless.

You're entirely incorrect. Leftists like guns, liberals don't.

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WaltonAg18 said:

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.

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Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.

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Did I swing and miss when I said you voted for leftists since you claim to be leftist?

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ChemEAg08 said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.

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Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.

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Did I swing and miss when I said you voted for leftists since you claim to be leftist?

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There hasn't been a single leftist candidate in the entire span of my life that I've been able to vote. HTH

Also if anyone thinks it ends here, you're part of the problem.

They want all guns illegal. This is just a step on the road. Every gun owner either disarmed or disenfranchised.

But go ahead and gloat about your principles. You're on the wall with the rest of us.

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Why would you take it to a gun show?

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To buy accessories or sell it.

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Also, I'd venture to say that most cops won't give a crap about enforcing an unconstitutional "law".

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You would be wrong.
See my other post.
You are wrong once and then....felony-land.

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Illinois just unconstitutionally outlawed ARs and high capacity mags. At least 74 (and counting) sheriffs have come out saying they won't enforce it.

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State < Federal. Sounds great, but if a deputy brings you in and the Soros DA wants to make an example of you your world is going to change greatly.

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Texas is now a 2A sanctuary state, meaning state law enforcement resources will not be used to enforce unconstitutional federal gun laws. Unless there an ATF guy at the show, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

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You are wrong once and then....felony-land.


I wonder if the ATF get 'em in a wad of this 19th century beauty?

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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

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You are exactly right!
This is where many, many law abiding people are.
A felony is too economically destructive.

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Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.

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Dumb thing is, if liberals were smart on this (luckily, they are not) they would cease stuff like this and go for limiting magazine capacity. Canada had this. You could own an AR15, but only a five-round mag. When libs controlled everything federally a few years back they could have made it that if you have a magazine with greater than 15 capacity you have to pay a $500 tax and get them stamped. Possession = felony. This would take in revenue, get a list of who had what, and screw up the black market for magazines.

Libs were going koo koo on Twitter about that cartel hit in California a few days back.
Complained that guns are the problem. Mine and yours are killing paper, cans and small game, not people.

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I don't support limiting mags size.

A) if the point of the 2nd Amendment is give an average citizen a fighting chance against a tyrannical government, then this hurts that. No we can't fight an F16 but you can shoot the pilot before he gets in the plane and bombs civilians. Or the fuel truck guy, etc...

B) my neighbors go hog hunting. There is a population explosion of hogs. They get up in the middle of the night with thermal scopes, get them in the open and six or so guys unload on them. There a dozens and dozens of hogs in these packs. He shows me his videos. A five round magazine would hurt this.

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I don't support limiting mags size.

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No one on this thread does.
It is an easy argument for libs to say "Before high-capacity magazines got cheap we did not have these high body count mass shootings" and then limit all magazine capacities for all guns.

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.

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Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.

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Did I swing and miss when I said you voted for leftists since you claim to be leftist?

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There hasn't been a single leftist candidate in the entire span of my life that I've been able to vote. HTH

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So you have never voted for a democrat?

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Tom Doniphon said:

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They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

I'll either register or get rid of it.

Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.

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It's all about incrementalism. What are you going to do when they then require a stamp for an AR-15 style weapon? Than a semiautomatic rifle? Than a long rifle? Get rid of your guns affected then?


And yes, your vote for Brandon helps enable these actions. Quit trying to downplay it because we've already seen you go from "Oh, brandon is terrible I'd totally vote for Trump next time" to full blown TDS you had pre-2020 election.

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That's why I agree we need to fight like hell on this. ARs and AKs are next.

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I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.

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Are you communist?

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I'm the same thing I've always claimed to be on this website, a leftist. I don't get along with liberals mostly because they're classist and don't care about poor people. Neither do conservatives, but at least they're honest about it, like the poster who said he would gladly step over the bodies of starving people on his way into the office.

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So yes?

In other gun news....


Hope they return this man's "Large Weapon".
TSA finds large weapon inside checked luggage at San Antonio International Airport

Today @TSA officers @SATairport discovered this 84 mm caliber weapon in checked luggage. It was undeclared, as required when traveling with firearms or weapons. Here's info about traveling with firearm. https://t.co/FjDYDrQV0E #Monday #SafetyFirst pic.twitter.com/ax5sqxHNYX

— TSA_SouthWest (@Tsa_SouthWest) January 16, 2023

These are the kind of gun arrests that we need Man arrested after toddler shown on live TV with handgun

It's not like the ATF has a history of storming your house and then the FBI burns down the evidence

NSIAP, but here's a good video on the history of the legislative steps taken to get us where we are today and the ideocracy of the laws in the first place

*NFA 1934 was originally intended to prohibitively tax machine guns and handguns, the types of guns organized crime used most. SBR/SBS rules were added to prevent working around not technically being a handgun ie. cutting down the barrel or stock of a rifle or shotgun. Then at the last minute, handguns were removed from the NFA but the SBS/SBR rules left in.

Yep
Bonnie and Clyde with their "Whippet" guns.

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This topic is so bizarre to me.

I have shot a few pistol braces and everyone was inferior to a regular stock. So in my mind the ATF is worried about what? Having to fight people armed with slightly less effective weapons?

Or maybe the ATF is concerned the average gun owner isn't effective enough and this is their way of helping?

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What's your criteria for inferior and less effective? I think a 7.5" pistol 300 BLK with a brace is superior and more effective in close quarters combat, i.e., home defense than a 16" barrel 300/7.62/5.56 on an regular stock.

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If I bought this yesterday, then what would I need to do?

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Sell it to me at a large discount.

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

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/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.

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The problem with conservatives is they (actual, historical conservatives) believe in limited government which means self-reliance from the population. Apparently that's a hard sale for folks that vote like you do.

As long as there are stupid and lazy people, it's really easy to be a liberal. Promise free stuff and reliance on daddy government.

Trade for something that does this in stainless.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I dare you to start stacking gun owners in jail.

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Also if anyone thinks it ends here, you're part of the problem.

They want all guns illegal. This is just a step on the road. Every gun owner either disarmed or disenfranchised.

But go ahead and gloat about your principles. You're on the wall with the rest of us.

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Yep, and Ulysses posted why…

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I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.

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Are you communist?

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I'm the same thing I've always claimed to be on this website, a leftist. I don't get along with liberals mostly because they're classist and don't care about poor people. Neither do conservatives, but at least they're honest about it, like the poster who said he would gladly step over the bodies of starving people on his way into the office.

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Sooo...yes.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I dare you to start stacking gun owners in jail.

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They won't stack them in jail. It'll just be illegal for them to buy a gun or vote. Noncompliance with the law is not the answer. Change the law.

The biggest problem I have with this is UNELECTED bureaucrats declaring what is and what isn't a felony by bureaucratic fiat.

If they can do this for pistol braces, then why not ARs or magazines over X limit?

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

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Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.

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Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.

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Did I swing and miss when I said you voted for leftists since you claim to be leftist?

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There hasn't been a single leftist candidate in the entire span of my life that I've been able to vote. HTH

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So you have never voted for a democrat?

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That's correct.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I dare you to start stacking gun owners in jail.

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I have no power to do that.

Call the ATF and tell them.
Here is their office locator.
When Bump Stocks were ruled "possession = felony" in 2019 did you see that happen?
So much for a conservative court: Supreme Court leaves ban on bump stocks in place again

Texas has sausage sucking socialists sheriffs who will jail bar owners and hair cutters during BS COVID stuff.
There are some that salivate at stealing your guns for their fun.

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They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

I'll either register or get rid of it.

Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.

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It's all about incrementalism. What are you going to do when they then require a stamp for an AR-15 style weapon? Than a semiautomatic rifle? Than a long rifle? Get rid of your guns affected then?


And yes, your vote for Brandon helps enable these actions. Quit trying to downplay it because we've already seen you go from "Oh, brandon is terrible I'd totally vote for Trump next time" to full blown TDS you had pre-2020 election.

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That's why I agree we need to fight like hell on this. ARs and AKs are next.

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And you voted for this.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I dare you to start stacking gun owners in jail.

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They won't stack them in jail. It'll just be illegal for them to buy a gun or vote. Noncompliance with the law is not the answer. Change the law.

The biggest problem I have with this is UNELECTED bureaucrats declaring what is and what isn't a felony by bureaucratic fiat.

If they can do this for pistol braces, then why not ARs or magazines over X limit?

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There is no law to change, which is this issue, for the reasons you've already touched on. Noncompliance is 100% one possible answer. An estimated 40 million pistols affected by this "rule". Imagine if no one complied? Literally just did nothing and refused to register?

Fortunately, I don't believe it comes to that, for a bevy of reasons. Meantime how about everyone at minimum delay compliance until the last minute, so at least we don't appear like a bunch of lemmings tripping over ourselves to do so. That could actually matter in the end.

I will delay compliance to the end. Or even take the $200 hit later.

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They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

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You mean like making possession a felony?

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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

I'll either register or get rid of it.

Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.

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It's all about incrementalism. What are you going to do when they then require a stamp for an AR-15 style weapon? Than a semiautomatic rifle? Than a long rifle? Get rid of your guns affected then?


And yes, your vote for Brandon helps enable these actions. Quit trying to downplay it because we've already seen you go from "Oh, brandon is terrible I'd totally vote for Trump next time" to full blown TDS you had pre-2020 election.

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That's why I agree we need to fight like hell on this. ARs and AKs are next.

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And you voted for this.

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I'm not a single issue voter and never have been.

I would eliminate the ATF and get rid of the NFA. Maybe still outlaw machine guns, but get rid of SBR and suppressor rules.

I still don't like Trump and I hope DeSantis is the nominee. I would have preferred Trump's/GOP's policies on energy, border security, etc... but I don't like him as president. It's not mean tweets, he's an idiot and he is Trump first Constitution second.

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I will delay compliance to the end. Or even take the $200 hit later.

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Don't be obtuse. The intent of this rule is not to collect retroactive tax stamp revenue. The purpose is to have a means for tacking on a firearms related felony charge for someone that gets tagged with a minor infraction. A warrant issued under a red flag law will lead to confiscation of all firearms and a conviction that removes firearms owners from the voting rolls.

The success of the J6 gulag is creating a demand within federal law enforcement for more domestic terrorists to prosecute. BATF is doing their part by creating a target rich environment for the FBI a.k.a American gestapo.

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I will delay compliance to the end. Or even take the $200 hit later.

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Ain't you a lawyer?

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GeorgiAg said:

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I will delay compliance to the end. Or even take the $200 hit later.

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Don't be obtuse. The intent of this rule is not to collect retroactive tax stamp revenue. The purpose is to have a means for tacking on a firearms related felony charge for someone that gets tagged with a minor infraction. A warrant issued under a red flag law will lead to confiscation of all firearms and a conviction that removes firearms owners from the voting rolls.

The success of the J6 gulag is creating a demand within federal law enforcement for more domestic terrorists to prosecute. BATF is doing their part by creating a target rich environment for the FBI a.k.a American gestapo.

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I don't disagree with you there. I'm sure some discussed this as a bonus or some even have this as their primary purpose.

But they can't arrest you if you are in compliance or don't have the gun. I'm not giving my right to vote for only one of my dozen plus guns.