ATF says gun owners have 120 days to comply with new pistol stabilizer laws

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Tom Doniphon
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Rockdoc said:

Tom Doniphon said:

They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

Most of the legals I've heard today said don't do anything for 60 days. They're predicting it will get whacked.

60 days, 120 days, or 1,000,000 days... won't matter to some.
Rockdoc
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The interesting fact I heard today was, they have 8 people that process the form 1's. If nothing changes and they got 40 million form 1's to process (what they estimate to be out there), if would take them 69 years of work. Comical.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Dr. Mephisto said:

WaltonAg18 said:

ChemEAg08 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.


Would you surrender them if the government insisted you do?
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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
LMAO. By "workers" do you mean you?

I don't think the commies had Mr White Collar in mind when the coined the term "the workers".
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.


/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.


…so your excuse for not voting for Trump is? What is your take on getting things done between an RHINO or a Republican that is sympathetic to the SWAMP vs what Trump was able to do?

People who make general claims about so called flawed candidates speak what their threshold is for giving up rights for this illusion of a good candidate.
Urban Ag
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This is really depressing to me.

Our own federal govt rules the "pistol brace" was legal and literally millions of these devices were sold lawfully to law abiding American citizens that passed background checks and played by the rules.

Then this. The rug gets pulled out from under us for nothing more than pure political tyranny of the left. The democrats. The liberals.

You ****ers literally want to jail us. Kill us. Wipe us away.

The country I grew up in is dead.
TheEternalPessimist
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Weird --- my gun stabilizers disappeared in a quantum physics experiment gone wrong the other day. Seems that the LHC in Europe created a temporal black hole that raced to Alabama, went through my gun safe, and then dissipated quickly through Hawking radiation. I suspect the things that disappeared are gone. Permanently.
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Urban Ag said:

This is really depressing to me.

Our own federal govt rules the "pistol brace" was legal and literally millions of these devices were sold lawfully to law abiding American citizens that passed background checks and played by the rules.

Then this. The rug gets pulled out from under us for nothing more than pure political tyranny of the left. The democrats. The liberals.

You ****ers literally want to jail us. Kill us. Wipe us away.

The country I grew up in is dead.
I get mocked here for saying it.... but barring a sudden 180 in the spiritual, political, and cultural direction of this country...... it will end through secession, civil war, revolution, or all 3. The only question is how much time we have before critical mass is achieved.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
Quoting Marx highlights just how universal the armed populace needs to be. Even Marx knew that the population must be armed (as seen above), yet the marxist libs receive their marching orders to hate guns, and they repeat the line with Pavlovian consistency.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


- Karl Marx

You're not fooling anyone
Captain Pablo
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Urban Ag said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Dr. Mephisto said:

WaltonAg18 said:

ChemEAg08 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.


Would you surrender them if the government insisted you do?
...


Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
LMAO. By "workers" do you mean you?

I don't think the commies had Mr White Collar in mind when the coined the term "the workers".


He's quoting Karl Marx

I'm sure you're shocked
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WaltonAg18 said:

I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.


Are you communist?
fixer
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Unaccountable bureaucracy deciding what does or doesn't pass for a Constitutional right.

Welcome to America in 2023. Another car added to the train of usurpations.

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Rockdoc said:

The interesting fact I heard today was, they have 8 people that process the form 1's. If nothing changes and they got 40 million form 1's to process (what they estimate to be out there), if would take them 69 years of work. Comical.


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Captain Pablo said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


- Karl Marx

You're not fooling anyone


He's being coy and hiding behind Marx' use of class distinctions. Marx never meant " all men" when he spoke of workers. Workers are only the revolutionaries and those who oppose them are bourgeois that will join or die in the gulag. Millions of revolutionary "workers" suddenly found themselves denounced as class enemies and were killed by the millions when the party no longer needed them. It happened in the Stalinist purges, it happened in Mao's cultural revolution and in Pol Pot's killing fields. You only find out you are no longer one of the workers class when the guns are pointed at you and they take yours away.


Quote:


"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."


-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


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Sorry. Should have read the thread.
riverrataggie
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.


I'm tired of the I didn't vote democrat, therefore I'm not responsible. Bull***** You if you didn't vote for the republican, then you very well knew you were voting for pedo joe.
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This topic is so bizarre to me.

I have shot a few pistol braces and everyone was inferior to a regular stock. So in my mind the ATF is worried about what? Having to fight people armed with slightly less effective weapons?

Or maybe the ATF is concerned the average gun owner isn't effective enough and this is their way of helping?
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Madman said:

This topic is so bizarre to me.

I have shot a few pistol braces and everyone was inferior to a regular stock. So in my mind the ATF is worried about what? Having to fight people armed with slightly less effective weapons?

Or maybe the ATF is concerned the average gun owner isn't effective enough and this is their way of helping?


It has nothing to do with worry and everything to do with stricter regulation. This is just an attempt by the ATF to circumvent congress on something relatively "minor" to see what they can get away with, and what the level of compliance will be.
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Until the administrative state is reigned in - abolition of Chevron would be a good start - this will continue. The left does what it wants and dares courts to stop them. Enough get through that they continue to advance their cause. The USSC takes very few cases every year - and there are plenty of liberal Circuit Courts of Appeal.
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If I bought this yesterday, then what would I need to do?
TxTarpon
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Tom Doniphon said:

They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.
You mean like making possession a felony?
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Register it as an SBR or put a 16" upper on it and convert it to a rifle.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces

Makes about as much sense as our current president.
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I know y'all are going say "you voted for this." Mea culpa. F Biden. I have one gun that is affected. A .22lr. Probably tied for the least powerful gun I own. Same with my lawyer friend. Another .22lr.

Legalizing something for years, then saying, "oops, take backsies!" all by bureaucratic fiat is gonna push anyone in the middle to the right.

They knew when they made it legal that people were going to shoulder the "pistol brace." The time to outlaw it was before you passed it. This is entrapment.

Has there been a huge uptick in SBRs hiding under trench coats? No.

Gotta fight like hell on this. Next is the mean scary black guns that "assault" people.
TxTarpon
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So if I do not do that after this final ruling and just walk into a gun show the LEO at the front desk will put me in handcuffs and take me to county?

Scary stuff especially if you bought the pistol years ago and had no clue that this rule was coming down.
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TxTarpon said:

Tom Doniphon said:

They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.
You mean like making possession a felony?

I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.

I'll either register or get rid of it.

Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.
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TxTarpon said:

So if I do not do that after this final ruling and just walk into a gun show the LEO at the front desk will put me in handcuffs and take me to county?

Scary stuff especially if you bought the pistol years ago and had no clue that this rule was coming down.
One would hope they will be gracious in the enforcement of this, but it's in their discretion. Piss off a police officer and guess what?

You're a felon, can't vote, can't own guns, etc...

This law is entrapment. All by a three letter agency. This HAS to be struck down.
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riverrataggie said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.


I'm tired of the I didn't vote democrat, therefore I'm not responsible. Bull***** You if you didn't vote for the republican, then you very well knew you were voting for pedo joe.
That's not how voting works, and never will be. This is why we're tied down on a two-party system, because unless you're voting for what the Uniparty an acceptable candidate,

I didn't want Trump in office either, for the multitude of reasons that many of y'all are finally able to open your eyes to. That doesn't mean I wasted my vote by not voting for Turd Sandwich nor Giant ******.

But regardless of all that, Republicans don't actually want the working class to have guns like the second amendment says we should. If they did, you would see a significant push instead of this lukewarm "shall not be infringed" hemming while they get nothing accomplished.
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TxTarpon said:

So if I do not do that after this final ruling and just walk into a gun show the LEO at the front desk will put me in handcuffs and take me to county?

Scary stuff especially if you bought the pistol years ago and had no clue that this rule was coming down.

Why would you take it to a gun show? Also, I'd venture to say that most cops won't give a crap about enforcing an unconstitutional "law". Illinois just unconstitutionally outlawed ARs and high capacity mags. At least 74 (and counting) sheriffs have come out saying they won't enforce it.

Texas is now a 2A sanctuary state, meaning state law enforcement resources will not be used to enforce unconstitutional federal gun laws. Unless there an ATF guy at the show, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Now get an optic to put on that thing and wait for this whole thing to blow over. Or you could just shell out $200 for a stamp like I did and no one can tell you **** They look better with a full stock anyways.
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Captain Pablo said:

WaltonAg18 said:

I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.


Are you communist?
I'm the same thing I've always claimed to be on this website, a leftist. I don't get along with liberals mostly because they're classist and don't care about poor people. Neither do conservatives, but at least they're honest about it, like the poster who said he would gladly step over the bodies of starving people on his way into the office.
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I have one gun out of more than a dozen that is affected. I'm not going to risk them taking away all my guns so I can shoot a little .22 plinking gun. Also not going to risk losing my job or jail time. Not worth it.
You are exactly right!
This is where many, many law abiding people are.
A felony is too economically destructive.
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Dumb thing is, out of all my guns, this is the LAST gun I would choose to shoot up a joint.
Dumb thing is, if liberals were smart on this (luckily, they are not) they would cease stuff like this and go for limiting magazine capacity. Canada had this. You could own an AR15, but only a five-round mag. When libs controlled everything federally a few years back they could have made it that if you have a magazine with greater than 15 capacity you have to pay a $500 tax and get them stamped. Possession = felony. This would take in revenue, get a list of who had what, and screw up the black market for magazines.

Libs were going koo koo on Twitter about that cartel hit in California a few days back.
Complained that guns are the problem. Mine and yours are killing paper, cans and small game, not people.
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We've covered a lot of this on the OB thread. But highlights for me:
  • I don't think this "rule" survives the 120 days for various reasons, especially "as is". Personally, I think it's dead in the water in its current form. There are several videos with lawyers and "guntubers" out that do a better job explaining why than I can here. Couple of posters on the OB thread also put together pretty good posts covering this.
  • If you're someone who is insistent on registering your pistol, please wait until the last possible moment to do so. Do not rush to file on Day/Week/Month 1 and give the impression of mass compliance.
  • If you are truly against this illegal/unlawful action but feel backed into a corner and it's not a money thing for you, take the 200 bucks you're going to save and give it to GOA, FPC, or any other reputable 2a organization.
  • If the owners of the estimated 40 million pistols out there refused to register, no uptick in F1 apps, no new SBR's on acccount of this rule the ATF would be backed into a corner, regardless of legal challenges or outcomes. We absolutely have the power to make this go away.
TxTarpon
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One would hope they will be gracious in the enforcement of this, but it's in their discretion. Piss off a police officer and guess what?
I asked this question a few years ago.
I was at a gun show and a young guy came in with a customized AR.
He presented to the officer behind the table and within five minutes was in cuffs.
A few posters here noted it might have been this young guy bought an AR pistol and made it a rifle and since Texas enforces the federal laws on this matter he was on his way to felony-land.

 
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