leachfan said:

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They may be right on this one. Of course, there may be additional info.

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Shooting suspect race has not been released by law enforcement.

barbacoa taco said:

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As in, the teen was running away from the house and the homeowner was still firing at him? I'd love to know more facts about this case because that's damn near an open and shut case for a conviction.

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edit; NM, did not read far enough.

16-year-old Ralph Yarl’s dream is to attend Texas A&M for chemical engineering.

Thankfully they have plenty of money raised, but if any of my Aggie friends have any ways to help him get to College Station… make it happen.

(cc: @rcb05, @propjoesays, @CoachJayArnold, @cuppycup) https://t.co/QGlP2Fb9BC

— Shehan Jeyarajah (@ShehanJeyarajah) April 17, 2023

Decay said:

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Article says he was questioned but released by police.

Given everything going on these days, I don't think they release him unless he's either lawyered up very well, or there's more to the story.

It doesn't smell right (if he's such a turbo racist murderer he'd be behind bars more likely than not) so 48 hour rule does seem to be warranted.

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MO law says you can only hold someone 24 hours and not charge them. If you can't or don't have evidence to charge them with a crime then you have to release the suspect.

AggieCo2023 said:

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You're allowed to shoot anyone who rings your door bell in the head with no warning??

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Jehovah's Witnesses, you're on notice!

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AggieCo2023 said:

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You're allowed to shoot anyone who rings your door bell in the head with no warning??

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Jehovah's Witnesses, you're on notice!

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I've had them squeeze pamphlets between the weatherstripping and the door before when I wasn't home. Try that **** when I am home and I will shoot through the front door.

agracer said:

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Decay said:

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Article says he was questioned but released by police.

Given everything going on these days, I don't think they release him unless he's either lawyered up very well, or there's more to the story.

It doesn't smell right (if he's such a turbo racist murderer he'd be behind bars more likely than not) so 48 hour rule does seem to be warranted.

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MO law says you can only hold someone 24 hours and not charge them. If you can't or don't have evidence to charge them with a crime then you have to release the suspect.

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Per police statements on an article I skimmed through, they're waiting for the victim to either wake up or pass away. They can't charge him without a statement.

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"We have to get a formal statement from the victim," Graves said. "We've been unable to do that just because of his injuries. Moving forward, that's something we hope to accomplish today,"

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https://www.kctv5.com/2023/04/17/hundreds-gather-northland-support-teen-shot-thursday-night/?outputType=amp

I'm guessing this is the general location? No, not confusing at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9201523,-94.5422288,17.58z

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Details matter. In high school I almost got shot once by my friends Dad, I was there to pick him up around 9-10pm to head to a pool hall.

But I was in my brothers car, which his dad had never seen. I left the car door open - ran inside to grab my buddy, and left the front door of their house open too. I did something to my friend horsing around - then ran out the front door to get away from retribution.

As I was running out - his dad (sheriff) was coming home from a long shift. Given the scene he was pretty curious what was happening - and when I can running out he drew on me. Thanks goodness he had the discipline not to fire.


My point is details matter, a lot, on what kind of shoot this was

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I would not characterize the situation you describe as a "good shoot" had he actually shot you.

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It would have certainly been in the middle ground /murky. But I am a big dude, who he wasn't wasn't expecting in his home, running out at a high rate a speed right towards him.

FancyKetchup14 said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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He may just be a shoot first ask questions later type of person

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And those sorts of individuals should not be gun owners.

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100% agree. My point was to assume stupid ignorant a-hole who shouldn't own a gun in the first place instead of concluding he shot the kid because he's black

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AggieCo2023 said:

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You're allowed to shoot anyone who rings your door bell in the head with no warning??

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Jehovah's Witnesses, you're on notice!

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And those door to door political people?
And pizza delivery?
And Door Dash?
And HEB grocery delivery?

barbacoa taco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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And all the articles are 100% in on playing the race card.

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Well because maybe, just maybe, the race card is applicable in this situation. Have you considered that?

We can wait and see what the homeowner's excuse was for his over the top reaction, but I think we can all agree his handling of the situation was as piss poor as it gets.

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Thought experiment. Would a white/Asian/Indian person be more or less likely to be shot in this type of situation? Why is that?

This seems like a horrendous shoot, and probably will turn out to be. If it is, I feel horrible for this young man and his family...I have no words.

But damn, young black men (statistically the most violent and lawless demographic subgroup in the world, by far) do not do their own people any favors whatsoever. Some of my Asian extended family members seem absolutely terrified of black dudes. They see that this is the only group of people just body slamming elderly Asians to the ground and caving their faces in for fun. They have a grasp of the violent crime and murder stats. And it has nothing to do with their skin color.

I just witnessed a violent hit job in a nice part of Houston in broad daylight involving full auto glocks w/ switches and probably 75+ rounds wildly shot, resulting in only one dead (thankfully). Amish, you ask? Possibly feuding sects of Latter Day Saints? Nope, shockingly young fatherless black on black males. Retaliation hit on a "rapper" who was really caught up in illegal drug/gun trade.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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From one of the OP's links:

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The teen is a section leader in a marching band and could often be found with a musical instrument in hand, Spoonmore wrote. Most recently, Ralph earned Missouri All-State Band honorable mention for playing the bass clarinet, according to a North Kansas City Schools' newsletter in February. He also plays multiple instruments in the metropolitan youth orchestra, his aunt wrote.

He is a member of his school's Technology Student Association and Science Olympiad Team and is a 2022 Missouri Scholars Academy alumni, she wrote.

"Last summer, Ralph attended Missouri Scholar's Academy, where he got a full college life experience," Spoonmore wrote. "His goal is to attend Texas A&M to major in chemical Engineering. When asked how he plans to get into this university, he said, 'Well, if they have a scholarship for music or academics, I know I can get it.' "

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I have a really hard time seeing this kid doing something to justify being shot at. By all accounts he seems like a good kid who works hard in school. Not many gangbangers play bass clarinet at an all state level, play in city youth orchestra, join the science olympiad team, and want to go to A&M (from out of state) to major in chemical engineering.

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Same...the only way I could see it, is possibly some type of horseplay or aggressive knocking meant to scare or mess with his friend. That would have been normal for me and my buddies growing up...but if I accidentally picked the neighbors house to yell at and bang on his door, I could see that scaring the hell out of someone. Hell, I got startled just a few weekends ago when our baby was napping and I heard what sounded like a scream followed by a very aggressive bang on our front door. I holstered my Glock and cracked the door to find two drunk and giggling overweight butch gals with bottles of wine in hand, presumably looking for a house party and off by a few houses.

I am just trying to kick around possible scenarios where I can possibly wrap my mind around something like this, and that is pretty much the only one.

One more point...what if crazy bad sh** like this actually happens to non black people from time to time, and it just doesn't make for a juicy story. If this kid was hispanic, and the shooter hispanic (or white kid/white shooter), would it even be in the national news?

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BG Knocc Out said:

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Same...the only way I could see it, is possibly some type of horseplay or aggressive knocking meant to scare or mess with his friend. That would have been normal for me and my buddies growing up...but if I accidentally picked the neighbors house to yell at and bang on his door, I could see that scaring the hell out of someone.

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If someone thinks scary knocking warrants a headshot they have no business owning a firearm.

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I am not saying it's justified to shoot someone for banging on your door, only that that would make more sense to me than just shooting a black man for ringing your doorbell peacefully. It would at least be easier to understand.

That being said, say you're turning or rattling someone's door knob, thinking it's a friend or family friend's house, but it's not...we used to do that at our own house and friends houses when doors were locked...I could see someone potentially mistaking that for a home invasion and fearing for their life.

The possible scenarios making this even a loosely justified shoot seem very very limited. But there's a lot we don't know.

BG Knocc Out said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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And all the articles are 100% in on playing the race card.

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Well because maybe, just maybe, the race card is applicable in this situation. Have you considered that?

We can wait and see what the homeowner's excuse was for his over the top reaction, but I think we can all agree his handling of the situation was as piss poor as it gets.

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Thought experiment. Would a white/Asian/Indian person be more or less likely to be shot in this type of situation? Why is that?

This seems like a horrendous shoot, and probably will turn out to be. If it is, I feel horrible for this young man and his family...I have no words.

But damn, young black men (statistically the most violent and lawless demographic subgroup in the world, by far) do not do their own people any favors whatsoever. Some of my Asian extended family members seem absolutely terrified of black dudes. They see that this is the only group of people just body slamming elderly Asians to the ground and caving their faces in for fun. They have a grasp of the violent crime and murder stats. And it has nothing to do with their skin color.

I just witnessed a violent hit job in a nice part of Houston in broad daylight involving full auto glocks w/ switches and probably 75+ rounds wildly shot, resulting in only one dead (thankfully). Amish, you ask? Possibly feuding sects of Latter Day Saints? Nope, shockingly young fatherless black on black males. Retaliation hit on a "rapper" who was really caught up in illegal drug/gun trade.

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Probably. That's just the reality of the world today. I think we can all sympathize with the homeowner being nervous given the circumstances. His reaction was just clearly over the top and unjustified. Especially since he shot again, while the kid was on the ground! There are other safe ways to handle this situation that don't involve violence. Did he even try talking through the door to ask who it was and what he wanted? Time will tell, as more facts come out. But right now this appears to be racism coupled with insane paranoia.

Obviously we all hope this teen pulls through. And if and when he gives a statement, they will likely arrest the homeowner and he will have his day in court. I think he'll have a very hard time proving that deadly force was justified in this situation.

Shooter is an elderly white man according to CNN (yeah, I know). Looting and rioting is AUTHORIZED.

barbacoa taco said:

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As in, the teen was running away from the house and the homeowner was still firing at him? I'd love to know more facts about this case because that's damn near an open and shut case for a conviction.

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Read 9.42

You can use deadly force:

"to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property"

e=mc2 said:

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Pro tip: Bad folk don't ring the doorbell. And if the HO has Ring, he could have answered through it.

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A Ring gives the HO another tactical advantage to have an idea who is on the other side of the door. I'd think any competent gun owner would want to take advantage of that.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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As in, the teen was running away from the house and the homeowner was still firing at him? I'd love to know more facts about this case because that's damn near an open and shut case for a conviction.

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Read 9.42

You can use deadly force:

"to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property"

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Very important qualifier there considering nothing was disturbed or missing in the home and there was no sign of entry.

torrid said:

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Shooter is an elderly white man according to CNN (yeah, I know). Looting and rioting is AUTHORIZED.

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Wasn't terribly long ago that looting and rioting was going on in St. Louis. Wasn't that couple arrested when they simply walked outside holding firearms while rioters broke through the gates on their community and were threatening to burn houses and what not?

I'm not saying this is a good shoot, odds are it wasn't. But the whole "there is no reason to ever shoot through a door" or "anybody that would do that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun" are just dumb comments that I can only assume are made by people with dumb mentalities and low IQ's who are wholly incapable of any ability to look at more than just the very narrow window of this singular incident.

Probably the same people that blame the homeowner for shooting at intruders who broke into his house at 2am and was subsequently killed by those intruders, who happened to be cops serving a warrant at the wrong freaking house.

There is a lot of information that I guarantee you is missing from the reporting that is likely very pertinent to how the entire situation went down that may (or may not - honestly some of the comments on here lead me to believe that nothing will change opinions) alter how you view the indicent.

If it turns out to be a scared old dude shooting through his door for not reason, he's going to die in prison as a result. But let the facts come out first, lets try that.

Cnn is already going with 108 pt font on white man shooting black kid.

Guarantees 48 hour rule, from me at least.

e=mc2 said:

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Pro tip: Bad folk don't ring the doorbell. And if the HO has Ring, he could have answered through it.

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Home invasion/robbery crews have little kids or women knock on doors all the time. Just sayin'…

schmellba99 said:

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There is a lot of information that I guarantee you is missing from the reporting that is likely very pertinent to how the entire situation went down that may (or may not - honestly some of the comments on here lead me to believe that nothing will change opinions) alter how you view the indicent.

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You can't guarantee anything here.

the homeowner did not know the person at the door was a "great kid" and all that

Given the facts presented, the person on the other side of the door was not an immediate threat to the homeowner.

boomer on social security said:

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Go Fund Me by Faith Spoonmore is at 1,598,880. Feel bad for the kid so I donated. Hopefully it will make the 2 million dollar request.

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Keep your receipt