KC teen knocks door on wrong house, gets shot

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In reply to VaultingChemist • 10:21p, 4/17/23
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VaultingChemist said:
ABATTBQ11 said:
He did not enter the house. Homeowner shot him through a glass door.
The son of my neighbor was shot and killed when he tried to enter what he thought was the house of a friend. He had the wrong address and the woman that was alone in the house thought he was trying to break in. She was not charged for shooting him.
Heard a story a few years ago about a drunk 20-30 YO fireman banging on the door and trying to get in 'his' house (wasn't his) and was shot and killed through the door by a neighbor who thought he was breaking in. No charges filed there either. It does happen, but you don't hear about it much.

Found the story. From 2014

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MONTGOMERY COUNTY, Texas A firefighter returning home from a night of St. Patrick's Day partying was shot and killed by his next-door neighbor when he tried to enter the wrong house.

CBS News reported that Houston firefighter Sam Keen, 27, was shot Monday night by a 64-year-old woman who thought he was an intruder.



https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/off-duty-houston-firefighter-shot-dead-by-neighbor-sJMusJAaOLUTblNr/
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10:29p, 4/17/23
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A. I don't think the kid had any malicious intent.

B. I don't think the shooter shot him because he was black.

C. Shooter needs to be charged with something and punished. As a big 2A guy who thinks we should have machine guns, you are responsible for the bullet you fire. Even if it's a mistake.
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In reply to aggielostinETX • 10:32p, 4/17/23
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aggielostinETX said:
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Prosecutor said there is a racial component to this, but no words were exchanged. There is no video or witnesses. Old man probably couldn't keep his mouth shut after police arrived.


Or you have a over zealous DA….

https://www.kshb.com/news/election-2020/mark-dupree-wins-2nd-term-as-wyandotte-county-district-attorney
The shooting was in KC Missouri. Wyandotte county is KC Kansas.
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In reply to AggieKatie2 • 10:34p, 4/17/23
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10pm, young black male ringing the doorbell. Unfortunately it's going to put people one edge given the events of the last several years. American minds have been trained to fear instead of trust and that's sad.

I hope this was caught on camera somewhere. If he did shoot him again after he fell he needs to go away for a long time. The first shot *may* have been legal depending on the circumstances.


This is a a terrible take, and I'm as pro-Castle Doctrine as they come.

It is not REASONABLE to shoot someone for ringing your doorbell. If you are scared for your life, don't open the door.

Old man is likely headed to jail unless some additional details come out.
It's not a terrible take. You should probably read what I actually wrote again, which was: "depending on the circumstances." That means there are situations where a shooting like this *could* be justified, i.e. if there was a justifiable reason. I never said there was evidence of a good reason for him to shoot the kid nor is there publicly known evidence that he didn't have a legitimate justification. Basically everything we know about this shooting is from social media and the kid's family. That's why I added that I hope this was on video so there can be clarity about what actually happened.

Remember, Kyle Rittenhouse murdered innocent peaceful protestors. Racist MAGA kid Nick Sandmann confronted and got in the face of a Native American who was just minding his own business on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

I don't trust anything said in the media about anything until I see facts and evidence for myself, especially when they are telling me I should be outraged about something.
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In reply to agracer • 11:05p, 4/17/23
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agracer said:
aggielostinETX said:
Dan Scott said:
Prosecutor said there is a racial component to this, but no words were exchanged. There is no video or witnesses. Old man probably couldn't keep his mouth shut after police arrived.


Or you have a over zealous DA….

https://www.kshb.com/news/election-2020/mark-dupree-wins-2nd-term-as-wyandotte-county-district-attorney
The shooting was in KC Missouri. Wyandotte county is KC Kansas.


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ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
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11:06p, 4/17/23
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Sorry if posted earlier, but "similar" situation in NY, no mention of race (perp or victim):
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ny-woman-driven-wrong-address-fatally-shot-homeowner-98645999
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11:16p, 4/17/23
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Refreshed Google News and now articles show up with:

Victim is white (based on the photo), no mention of the perps ethnicity: https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/washington-county-20-year-old-killed-saturday-17901499.php

And the NY Times has an article, again no mention of race until the last paragraphs where they reflect on the KC shooting. It's like the MSM wants to stir the race pot:

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The circumstances surrounding Ms. Gillis's killing echoed those of a shooting in Kansas City, Mo., several days earlier involving a Black teenager who was shot twice by a white homeowner after mistakenly ringing the wrong doorbell.

The shooting left the teenager, Ralph Yarl, 16, in critical condition with a gunshot wound in his head, according to his family members and their lawyers. They said he had been on his way to pick up his younger twin brothers at a friend's house but had gone to the wrong house about a block away.

After being taken into custody, the homeowner in that shooting was initially released after 24 hours with no charges filed against him, a decision that touched off protests. On Monday, the man, Andrew D. Lester, was charged with first-degree assault.
Edit: Both senseless, and without knowing any further details, criminal by the home owners.
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11:30p, 4/17/23
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Sorry, one more, quote from the Times Union, covering the NY shooting. Notice the difference?:

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"As many of you know, Kaylin Gillis was taken from us far too soon tragically and devastatingly at the age of 20," the GoFundMe's description says. "We have set this up to raise money for Angel and Andy's family, to help with funeral and other expenses. Please consider donating any amount you can to assist at this time."

The shooting comes days after a 16-year-old Kansas City boy was shot and injured after he rang the bell at the wrong house to pick up his siblings.
Edit: Same for the NY Post, they close with a similar statement, nothing about race in either shooting. Good for both of these rags!
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11:47p, 4/17/23
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In reply to oh no • 11:54p, 4/17/23
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Really wanting this kid to be at fault are ya? Nice.
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In reply to beanbean • 11:56p, 4/17/23
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I have no idea what happened here; just saw this on my timeline and thought this was the right thread for it. Seems that some sites say he rang the wrong doorbell while others say he entered the wrong house.
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In reply to oh no • 5:51a, 4/18/23
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oh no said:
I have no idea what happened here; just saw this on my timeline and thought this was the right thread for it. Seems that some sites say he rang the wrong doorbell while others say he entered the wrong house.


The only thing saying he went in is the exact tweet you posted. The prosecutor has said there was no evidence of that.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 8:35a, 4/18/23
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He's alive and recovering. Thank God he didn't lose his life.
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9:06a, 4/18/23
Not defending the reckless shooter, but I will point out that in the rare instances where a black kid is shot by a white person, the media goes WAAAAY out of their way to make the kid look like a cross between Bambi and Steve Erkel. Don't fall for this media driven rush to judgement. They did the same thing to a certain "white hispanic" in Florida some years back. Turns out the kid who was shot wasn't quite the angel the media was trying to pain him as. Let the investigation conclude before passing final judgement.
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In reply to aggielostinETX • 9:31a, 4/18/23
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aggielostinETX said:
agracer said:
aggielostinETX said:
Dan Scott said:
Prosecutor said there is a racial component to this, but no words were exchanged. There is no video or witnesses. Old man probably couldn't keep his mouth shut after police arrived.


Or you have a over zealous DA….

https://www.kshb.com/news/election-2020/mark-dupree-wins-2nd-term-as-wyandotte-county-district-attorney
The shooting was in KC Missouri. Wyandotte county is KC Kansas.


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. Nah, it's easy to get counties/city's mixed up if you don't live here.
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 9:34a, 4/18/23
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Buck Turgidson said:
Not defending the reckless shooter, but I will point out that in the rare instances where a black kid is shot by a white person, the media goes WAAAAY out of their way to make the kid look like a cross between Bambi and Steve Erkel. Don't fall for this media driven rush to judgement. They did the same thing to a certain "white hispanic" in Florida some years back. Turns out the kid who was shot wasn't quite the angel the media was trying to pain him as. Let the investigation conclude before passing final judgement.
Exactly, there are many unanswered questions in this case. This may very well be an unjustified shooting but nobody should be buying into the media narrative in light of past cases that are eerily similar to this where the initial narrative falls apart.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 10:14a, 4/18/23
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rgag12 said:
Homeowner is a big dummy and deserves to away for awhile.

Protecting your property is one thing, but shooting someone you think doesn't look right immediately after they ring your doorbell is another.
Assuming that is what actually happened.

The media just loves to leave out important information if it helps the narrative. It's why the 48 hour rule exists.
This is exactly what happened. Its a bad shoot. It happens and is said but doesn't support restrictions...just holding people accountable. Hopefully people don't go out of their way to defend the old guy.
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 10:16a, 4/18/23
BluHorseShu said:
Rapier108 said:
rgag12 said:
Homeowner is a big dummy and deserves to away for awhile.

Protecting your property is one thing, but shooting someone you think doesn't look right immediately after they ring your doorbell is another.
Assuming that is what actually happened.

The media just loves to leave out important information if it helps the narrative. It's why the 48 hour rule exists.
This is exactly what happened. Its a bad shoot. It happens and is said but doesn't support restrictions...just holding people accountable. Hopefully people don't go out of their way to defend the old guy.
My comment at the time was 100% correct. Do not trust the media in how they report events like this because of how many times they've tried to spin it to create racial strife.

Your reply was not some kind of gotcha moment even if you think it was.
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10:18a, 4/18/23
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"He wants to go to Texas A&M for chemical engineering, "because they have the most competitive program" and "he likes the competition," Spoonmore said."

What we know about Ralph Yarl, the 16-year-old shot after ringing wrong doorbell (nbcnews.com)
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In reply to Rapier108 • 10:49a, 4/18/23
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Rapier108 said:
BluHorseShu said:
Rapier108 said:
rgag12 said:
Homeowner is a big dummy and deserves to away for awhile.

Protecting your property is one thing, but shooting someone you think doesn't look right immediately after they ring your doorbell is another.
Assuming that is what actually happened.

The media just loves to leave out important information if it helps the narrative. It's why the 48 hour rule exists.
This is exactly what happened. Its a bad shoot. It happens and is said but doesn't support restrictions...just holding people accountable. Hopefully people don't go out of their way to defend the old guy.
My comment at the time was 100% correct. Do not trust the media in how they report events like this because of how many times they've tried to spin it to create racial strife.

Your reply was not some kind of gotcha moment even if you think it was.
No gotcha. And I agree, we have to wait for the facts and take the media with a grain of salt. Scary to think if one of my kids knocked on the wrong door that he could risk getting shot. But obviously this happens very seldom and this was likely just confluence of situations that doesn't usually occur. Just sad.
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Don't judge a book by its cover, etc. etc., but the shooter's appearance does not give me confidence that he is all there, mentally speaking.

Photo at this link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.html
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 2:45p, 4/18/23
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BluHorseShu said:
Rapier108 said:
BluHorseShu said:
Rapier108 said:
rgag12 said:
Homeowner is a big dummy and deserves to away for awhile.

Protecting your property is one thing, but shooting someone you think doesn't look right immediately after they ring your doorbell is another.
Assuming that is what actually happened.

The media just loves to leave out important information if it helps the narrative. It's why the 48 hour rule exists.
This is exactly what happened. Its a bad shoot. It happens and is said but doesn't support restrictions...just holding people accountable. Hopefully people don't go out of their way to defend the old guy.
My comment at the time was 100% correct. Do not trust the media in how they report events like this because of how many times they've tried to spin it to create racial strife.

Your reply was not some kind of gotcha moment even if you think it was.
No gotcha. And I agree, we have to wait for the facts and take the media with a grain of salt. Scary to think if one of my kids knocked on the wrong door that he could risk getting shot. But obviously this happens very seldom and this was likely just confluence of situations that doesn't usually occur. Just sad.
are you jumping off your jump to conclusions mat?
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In reply to YokelRidesAgain • 2:47p, 4/18/23
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Don't judge a book by its cover, etc. etc., but the shooter's appearance does not give me confidence that he is all there, mentally speaking.

Photo at this link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.html
Why? BC he's got a jacked up eye?

The guy probably feels horrible. On top of nearly killing a young man who was very likely making an innocent mistake, the whole country will now view him as a crazy old racist who likes to hunt down young black men for fun. He also faces potential life in prison. Looks like an old man whose world has been turned upside down and hasn't slept a wink in days.

Posting image so people don't have to give CNN any clicks...

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From cnn:

"Lester told police he fired immediately after answering the doorbell when he saw Ralph pulling on an exterior door handle, according to the probable cause document obtained by CNN."

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ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
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In reply to aggielostinETX • 3:06p, 4/18/23
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From cnn:

"Lester told police he fired immediately after answering the doorbell when he saw Ralph pulling on an exterior door handle, according to the probable cause document obtained by CNN."

No bill.
No bill? I don't think that's sufficient cause to fire through the door. Simply pulling on the handle is not actively trying to break in.
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Branca video is up. He thinks the shooting was justified. It was late at night, he is elderly, sees a 6 foot tall guy he claims was trying to pull open his exterior storm door. He also had multiple no trespassing signs posted.

What was he supposed to think was happening?

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If you are 84 years old and someone is at your house after 10 PM trying to pull open your door, what are you going to think is happening? Would it be reasonable to assume a break in or home invasion is being attempted? Have to put yourself in the mind of that person.
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 3:10p, 4/18/23
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aggielostinETX said:
From cnn:

"Lester told police he fired immediately after answering the doorbell when he saw Ralph pulling on an exterior door handle, according to the probable cause document obtained by CNN."

No bill.
No bill? I don't think that's sufficient cause to fire through the door. Simply pulling on the handle is not actively trying to break in.
But a stranger trying to break in is almost always going to start by pulling on the handle. I get what you're saying, but please tell me you wouldn't be aiming a gun at your door if some dude bangs on your door and then starts pulling on the door handle at night. At the very least, I would have a gun aimed at the door in that scenario and would be trying to combat an adrenaline surge.

Seriously, if that is what happens, tell me you wouldn't be fearing for your life.
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In reply to Not a Bot • 3:12p, 4/18/23
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If you are 84 years old and someone is at your house after 10 PM trying to pull open your door, what are you going to think is happening? Would it be reasonable to assume a break in or home invasion is being attempted? Have to put yourself in the mind of that person.
If that is what truly happened, I feel very bad for this man that he shot a black dude. The odds would be in favor if it was a person of any other color. They will be after his ass for this though and I will be shocked if justice is served.
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In reply to agz win • 3:13p, 4/18/23
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"He wants to go to Texas A&M for chemical engineering, "because they have the most competitive program" and "he likes the competition," Spoonmore said."

What we know about Ralph Yarl, the 16-year-old shot after ringing wrong doorbell (nbcnews.com)


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"He was among 330 rising high school juniors chosen last summer to attend the prestigious program, which requires a nomination, at the University of Missouri's Columbia campus."

She taught a college-level chemistry-based science class and spent about three hours in the lab with Ralph and about 17 other students every day of the program.

I'm all for arresting criminals and laugh at 'oh but they were angels, it's not like him to commit armed robbery' people who did a ****ty job at raising kids.

But seems like he worked hard in school, which is a relatively less likely group of people to rob a house.

I ****ing hated chemistry lab.
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 3:13p, 4/18/23
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https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=563.031


MO seems to say that an attempt to enter a residence and a fear of threat in your residence is allowed under the deadly force statute. Unless I am miss reading. They are also a castle/no retreat state.
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If you are 84 years old and someone is at your house after 10 PM trying to pull open your door, what are you going to think is happening? Would it be reasonable to assume a break in or home invasion is being attempted? Have to put yourself in the mind of that person.
I think shouting a warning first would be the correct initial action. He wasn't an immediate threat unless he started trying to break the door down.
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AggieUSMC said:
Not a Bot said:
If you are 84 years old and someone is at your house after 10 PM trying to pull open your door, what are you going to think is happening? Would it be reasonable to assume a break in or home invasion is being attempted? Have to put yourself in the mind of that person.
I think shouting a warning first would be the correct initial action. He wasn't an immediate threat unless he started trying to break the door down.


While, that may be what you think a reasonable person would do, that is not what the law says, nor what the law requires.

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In reply to AggieUSMC • 3:19p, 4/18/23
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Not a Bot said:
If you are 84 years old and someone is at your house after 10 PM trying to pull open your door, what are you going to think is happening? Would it be reasonable to assume a break in or home invasion is being attempted? Have to put yourself in the mind of that person.
I think shouting a warning first would be the correct initial action. He wasn't an immediate threat unless he started trying to break the door down.
What if you want the tactical advantage over a potential armed assailant?

In the marines, did they teach you to start yelling things in the event someone was trying to ambush you and you had the drop on them? No. That would be dumb as hell.

I do like to think I would have remained silent but waited for him to actually breach before I mag dumped though. But I don't know, everyone is different, and I bet the old guy was terrified.

It's possible that both guys are the victim in this.
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