Politics of the crash.

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In reply to Sea Speed • 10:52p, 1/30/25
Sea Speed said:
Your article discusses passenger kilometers, mine is departures. You know, the part of a flight where ATC is involved?
So there was 37% more miles flown but no more takeoffs. Hmmmm….

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In reply to mjschiller • 10:52p, 1/30/25
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mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


Are you going to tell us what it was?
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10:58p, 1/30/25
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Domestic and intl flight numbers. I wasn't a math major but it sure seems like flights weren't even up 7%. Yea, a COMPLETE misrepresentation of the data.


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11:00p, 1/30/25
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Feel free to check my work straight from the bureau of transportation statistics.

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/data_elements.aspx
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11:15p, 1/30/25
Are we allowed to ask whether the check-ride pilot had XX or XY chromosomes?
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In reply to mjschiller • 11:28p, 1/30/25
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mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.
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11:31p, 1/30/25
How many high-hour pilots were **** canned because of covid shot mandates?
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In reply to aggiedent • 11:34p, 1/30/25
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


Link?
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 11:40p, 1/30/25
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Silent For Too Long said:
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


Link?


My own memory……..but it's easy to find.

They were written in 2012 or 2013 as a result of a change in federal law. They have not been altered since that time.
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In reply to aggiedent • 11:43p, 1/30/25
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


With all due respect, generative AI says you are FOS:

"under the Biden administration, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) did see changes in its hiring policies, particularly with an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Here's a detailed look based on the available information:

Diversity and Inclusion: The Biden administration promoted policies aimed at increasing diversity within federal agencies, including the FAA. This included initiatives to hire from underrepresented groups and those with disabilities for various roles, not limited to air traffic control positions but across the spectrum of FAA job functions.


Biographical Questionnaire: There was a mention of using a biographical questionnaire (BQ) in hiring practices, which was part of an effort to assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation that could contribute to diversity in hiring.
Criticism and Policy Reversal: These changes faced criticism from some quarters, particularly from those who argued that such policies might prioritize diversity over merit in roles critical to aviation safety. Following President Trump's re-election in 2024, one of his early actions was to issue an executive order to revert these policies, emphasizing merit-based hiring and explicitly moving away from what he described as "dangerous 'diversity equity and inclusion' tactics." This order was part of broader moves to eliminate DEI initiatives across federal agencies.



Thus, the Biden administration did indeed implement changes to FAA hiring policies focusing on DEI, but these were subsequently reversed by executive actions under the Trump administration in early 2025."
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In reply to Logos Stick • 11:46p, 1/30/25
Logos Stick said:
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


With all due respect, generative AI says you are FOS:

"under the Biden administration, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) did see changes in its hiring policies, particularly with an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Here's a detailed look based on the available information:

Diversity and Inclusion: The Biden administration promoted policies aimed at increasing diversity within federal agencies, including the FAA. This included initiatives to hire from underrepresented groups and those with disabilities for various roles, not limited to air traffic control positions but across the spectrum of FAA job functions.


Biographical Questionnaire: There was a mention of using a biographical questionnaire (BQ) in hiring practices, which was part of an effort to assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation that could contribute to diversity in hiring.
Criticism and Policy Reversal: These changes faced criticism from some quarters, particularly from those who argued that such policies might prioritize diversity over merit in roles critical to aviation safety. Following President Trump's re-election in 2024, one of his early actions was to issue an executive order to revert these policies, emphasizing merit-based hiring and explicitly moving away from what he described as "dangerous 'diversity equity and inclusion' tactics." This order was part of broader moves to eliminate DEI initiatives across federal agencies.



Thus, the Biden administration did indeed implement changes to FAA hiring policies focusing on DEI, but these were subsequently reversed by executive actions under the Trump administration in early 2025."



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In reply to Logos Stick • 11:47p, 1/30/25
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Logos Stick said:
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


With all due respect, generative AI says you are FOS:

"under the Biden administration, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) did see changes in its hiring policies, particularly with an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Here's a detailed look based on the available information:

Diversity and Inclusion: The Biden administration promoted policies aimed at increasing diversity within federal agencies, including the FAA. This included initiatives to hire from underrepresented groups and those with disabilities for various roles, not limited to air traffic control positions but across the spectrum of FAA job functions.


Biographical Questionnaire: There was a mention of using a biographical questionnaire (BQ) in hiring practices, which was part of an effort to assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation that could contribute to diversity in hiring.
Criticism and Policy Reversal: These changes faced criticism from some quarters, particularly from those who argued that such policies might prioritize diversity over merit in roles critical to aviation safety. Following President Trump's re-election in 2024, one of his early actions was to issue an executive order to revert these policies, emphasizing merit-based hiring and explicitly moving away from what he described as "dangerous 'diversity equity and inclusion' tactics." This order was part of broader moves to eliminate DEI initiatives across federal agencies.



Thus, the Biden administration did indeed implement changes to FAA hiring policies focusing on DEI, but these were subsequently reversed by executive actions under the Trump administration in early 2025."


Nope………that's not true. The official DEI policy of the FAA has remained unchanged since 2012. Sorry.
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11:49p, 1/30/25
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assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation
Pilot doing check-ride over the most heavily trafficked airspace in the US. How'd that work out?
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11:51p, 1/30/25
Not sorry if already posted


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/1/editorial-faa-turned-away-qualified-air-traffic-co/
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11:52p, 1/30/25
Grok2 says, "the Army has started notifying the next of kin, and while the exact details about the crew, including their names, have not been officially released by the Army."
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11:58p, 1/30/25
So now we are hearing that air controllers were way understaffed.

Ok well, maybe we should have prioritized this over hiring 87,000 new IRS agents, no?
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12:03a, 1/31/25
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dc-plane-crash-disaster-crew-chief-1-pilot-doomed-army-black-hawk-helicopter-identified

Two identified so far. Waiting on the third, who Fox has confirmed is a female. Please be aware there's a female Aggie Army Blackhawk pilot who posts on Texags. There's no indication it is her, but please be respectful.
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In reply to aggiedent • 12:23a, 1/31/25
aggiedent said:
Logos Stick said:
aggiedent said:
mjschiller said:
Some of you need to read bidens policy on hiring traffic controllers. It will blow your mind.


You do realize that the FAA's DEI policies were EXACTLY the same during Trumps first term as they were under the Biden administration right? So in fact, it had nothing to do with the Biden administration.


With all due respect, generative AI says you are FOS:

"under the Biden administration, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) did see changes in its hiring policies, particularly with an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Here's a detailed look based on the available information:

Diversity and Inclusion: The Biden administration promoted policies aimed at increasing diversity within federal agencies, including the FAA. This included initiatives to hire from underrepresented groups and those with disabilities for various roles, not limited to air traffic control positions but across the spectrum of FAA job functions.


Biographical Questionnaire: There was a mention of using a biographical questionnaire (BQ) in hiring practices, which was part of an effort to assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation that could contribute to diversity in hiring.
Criticism and Policy Reversal: These changes faced criticism from some quarters, particularly from those who argued that such policies might prioritize diversity over merit in roles critical to aviation safety. Following President Trump's re-election in 2024, one of his early actions was to issue an executive order to revert these policies, emphasizing merit-based hiring and explicitly moving away from what he described as "dangerous 'diversity equity and inclusion' tactics." This order was part of broader moves to eliminate DEI initiatives across federal agencies.



Thus, the Biden administration did indeed implement changes to FAA hiring policies focusing on DEI, but these were subsequently reversed by executive actions under the Trump administration in early 2025."


Nope………that's not true. The official DEI policy of the FAA has remained unchanged since 2012. Sorry.


Again, FOS, with all due respect.

The biological questionnaire was introduced during the Biden admin. That's one of several changes.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 6:48a, 1/31/25
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Is it possible…this could be true? Sure, but I am doubtful. This would be the DEI-politics link, though, if so..



Even if Jo Ellis' story were true, how would he/she/it get an assignment to Andrew's? That's not a VA ANG base. 3 days ago still claiming to be a VA ANG member. He had worked for Smerconish I guess, whom I've never listened to but podcast episode dropped the day before the crash.

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6:57a, 1/31/25
Not sure this is a DEI smoking gun. He/She/It had 15 years in the national guard and it sounds like had a private pilots license. My question would be how long as a blackhawk pilot and were merit criteria changes because of gender transition.

If they were a pilot before becoming female I'm not sure it matters as much.
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In reply to Cibalo • 7:04a, 1/31/25
AG
If it were to be true, his long letter about gender dysphoria and depression the day prior to the accident would be a big deal (as well as TDS). Keep in mind this is really a mental health issue so suicide/murder is what is implicated.

He may have been a very competent pilot, but all of those hormones/depression/mental health could also have played a role, is my point, and if that is true then the military's DEI idiocy around allowing 'trans' (mentally ill) people to serve could be a root cause.

I'll state again though, I am still very skeptical 'Jo Ellis' was the pilot. I'm not quite sure why the pentagon hasn't released the pilot's name however, officially. I've seen a name of "Ryan" elsewhere but it is speculation.
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7:32a, 1/31/25
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Tin foil hat [ON] OFF


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7:43a, 1/31/25
AG
It's not true. You can go to Jo Ellis on Facebook and he posted that he wasn't the pilot. It's a public post.
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In reply to aggiedent • 7:47a, 1/31/25
AG
I like how one poster comes with sources and the other poster has none, but my memory is good.
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7:52a, 1/31/25
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It's all over Twitter the pilot was transgender. Waiting to see if it's true.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 7:57a, 1/31/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
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assess candidates beyond just skills-based tests, aiming for a more holistic evaluation
Pilot doing check-ride over the most heavily trafficked airspace in the US. How'd that work out?


Where else are you supposed to do it? Part of a checkride is to assess your ability to complete the mission. If your mission is VIP transport around DC, then that's what you have to do
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7:57a, 1/31/25
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Tap the brakes. This is a public FB post I just screenshotted.


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In reply to TAMU1990 • 7:59a, 1/31/25
TAMU1990 said:
It's all over Twitter the pilot was transgender. Waiting to see if it's true.



The pilot was CWO2 Andrew Eaves.

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8:05a, 1/31/25
If it is fake news can the govt determine "who" posted it first and can Jo Ellis sue them ?

Possibly a bot generated headline if it is that would also be useful to know
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In reply to usmcbrooks • 8:07a, 1/31/25
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Was he pic?
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8:11a, 1/31/25
I am not suggesting this thought is serious but should be discussed:

Who was flying the Blackhawk? Which leads to the question, who was on the plane? More on this to rule out 100% that this was not a terrorist/kamikaze, attack/mission.
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In reply to Sq 17 • 8:12a, 1/31/25
Sq 17 said:
If it is fake news can the govt determine "who" posted it first and can Jo Ellis sue them ?

Possibly a bot generated headline if it is that would also be useful to know
Or a leftist nut job (redundant) that posted this bs, in order to put the blame on Trumps EO banning trans in the military. You know they never miss an opportunity during a tragedy.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 8:13a, 1/31/25
Jbob04 said:
Tin foil hat [ON] OFF




Okay, it looks like that was intentional.

What do we know about the helicopter pilot?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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8:15a, 1/31/25
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There were 3 pilots correct? All doing different roles?
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 8:15a, 1/31/25
No Spin Ag said:
Jbob04 said:
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Okay, it looks like that was intentional.

What do we know about the helicopter pilot?
I can't go down that path yet. Too many variables.
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