Politics of the crash.

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I see NO sudden change in altitude from either craft. Just a steady track to the collision point, with the helo slightly lower and perhaps in a steady climb, while the airliner was descending.

Pilot(s) error on the part of the helo crew.

Failure to adequately warn/direct by the ATC.
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It's not really an option. They had forward momentum and transitioning to a hover wouldn't be instantaneous. Just like in a car where you can't just go straight into reverse (ignoring all the mechanics of the transmission).

By all accounts, this was just a really crappy bad accident.

AA flight was on final which was a left bank so they would be focused on the runway to their left, not looking for incoming traffic to their right.

The helicopter was VFR (visual flight) and supposed to remain below 250' but had bumped up to 300'. On the ground, 50' seems like a lot. In vertical airspace, it's less than a second of "control" to adjust altitude 50'.

Sounds like the helicopter pilots were using night vision which also made things worse and thought they had visual on the AA flight when actually were looking past them.
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I wonder why this guy was ever nominated (click for video):

https://instagr.am/p/DFfluqUO7tF
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CanyonAg77 said:

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a female pilot which would still be DEI.
bulls**t

Which is why DEI is such a cancer.

People assume anyone other than a straight white male got where they got by DEI
That's the game they have chosen. If you are going to hire based on characteristics instead of competency as a factor then the assumption will be those characteristics have greater importance. Certainly the messaging coming from those Departments for the last several years has only emphasized that. It does screw over people that truly are good enough on their own but that's why it needs to change. I rarely see people that benefit from DEI policies declining to identify themselves in ways that don't advantage them even if they are competent.

Thomas Sowell is the best communicator of these issues.
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In a fixed wing bug smasher, it I suddenly see a wall of aluminum in front of me, I can bank, climb, or dive, since I can't stop.
What?? Is that what they call them?? Shades of `Aliens'. Haha.

Sorry, aside off.


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HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
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being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.
Ever hear of hydraulically boosted controls?

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I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit
Superior? Not equal?

Guilty until proven innocent?
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aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.
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ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Yes, DEI is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy.

Wise words from the recently resurrected liberal poster
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TAMUallen said:

ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Yes, DEI is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy.

Wise words from the recently resurrected liberal poster
Sorry to interrupt the echo chamber.
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4 said:

I can tell you this much, if I get on a plane and look in the cockpit and it's full of multicultural women...

I'm taking the train
This post got 77 stars. Unbelievable - how many Americans have the option to take the TRAIN!!! Lmfao!
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jwoodmd said:

4 said:

I can tell you this much, if I get on a plane and look in the cockpit and it's full of multicultural women...

I'm taking the train
This post got 77 stars. Unbelievable - how many Americans have the option to take the TRAIN!!! Lmfao!
Its called satire/sarcasm.

Point is they're NOT gonna remain on THAT flight! Or at least that's the implication.
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BoerneGator said:

jwoodmd said:

4 said:

I can tell you this much, if I get on a plane and look in the cockpit and it's full of multicultural women...

I'm taking the train
This post got 77 stars. Unbelievable - how many Americans have the option to take the TRAIN!!! Lmfao!
Its called satire/sarcasm.

Point is they're NOT gonna remain on THAT flight! Or at least that's the implication.
Good gosh man, you gotta squeak when you walk. Don't be such a Cliff Clavin.

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You aren't winning on arguing with the dissolution of DEI because it is the very thing you just said about people who dislike it. It got out hand to the point that questioning why something happened by a non white non male is a valid point because you know that the white male had to be nearly 100 percent, top of the game while the other didn't have to be

Yes, it is a huge issue and has brought us to the current state. Sad for those who actually earned their status by their ability and merit but that's the very reason DEI must DIE
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TAMUallen said:

You aren't winning on arguing with the dissolution of DEI because it is the very thing you just said about people who dislike it. It got out hand to the point that questioning why something happened by a non white non male is a valid point because you know that the white male had to be nearly 100 percent, top of the game while the other didn't have to be

Yes, it is a huge issue and has brought us to the current state. Sad for those who actually earned their status by their ability and merit but that's the very reason DEI must DIE
Why would I assume that? It's just as likely they picked a white, male lib who would go along with the agenda.
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ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.
I don't care if you are tired. Until all standards are equal regardless of sex and race and there are no goals or even a mention of a priority of hiring anyone based on anything other than merit this is the game that has been chosen. I don't like it but it is the only way to purge this lunacy.
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TAMUallen said:

You aren't winning on arguing with the dissolution of DEI because it is the very thing you just said about people who dislike it. It got out hand to the point that questioning why something happened by a non white non male is a valid point because you know that the white male had to be nearly 100 percent, top of the game while the other didn't have to be

Yes, it is a huge issue and has brought us to the current state. Sad for those who actually earned their status by their ability and merit but that's the very reason DEI must DIE
No I don't.
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ETFan said:

TAMUallen said:

You aren't winning on arguing with the dissolution of DEI because it is the very thing you just said about people who dislike it. It got out hand to the point that questioning why something happened by a non white non male is a valid point because you know that the white male had to be nearly 100 percent, top of the game while the other didn't have to be

Yes, it is a huge issue and has brought us to the current state. Sad for those who actually earned their status by their ability and merit but that's the very reason DEI must DIE
No I don't.


Logical people do know that though since there are two standards. One is higher and one is lower. Before then, the standard had been high for all for the same position.
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CanyonAg77 said:

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being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.
Ever hear of hydraulically boosted controls?

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I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit
Superior? Not equal?

Guilty until proven innocent?
It's a lot more than hydraulically boosted controls. One of my best friends is a helicopter pilot. Dude looks like he could be a SEAL. Even he comes home exhausted from the physical and mental strain of flying. Helicopters are not airplanes either, they are far more complicated and require far more physical strength and coordination to control.

As for the policies they chose to make it so that people of different sexes and races get advantages. Burden of proof is thus on people of those sexes and races who are in those roles to show they were hired based on merit. Can't have it both ways
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TAMUallen said:

ETFan said:

TAMUallen said:

You aren't winning on arguing with the dissolution of DEI because it is the very thing you just said about people who dislike it. It got out hand to the point that questioning why something happened by a non white non male is a valid point because you know that the white male had to be nearly 100 percent, top of the game while the other didn't have to be

Yes, it is a huge issue and has brought us to the current state. Sad for those who actually earned their status by their ability and merit but that's the very reason DEI must DIE
No I don't.


Logical people do know that though since there are two standards. One is higher and one is lower. Before then, the standard had been high for all for the same position.
Especially when it is reasoned out that way. Its just as real as the double justice standard. Any impartial can discern its outlines.
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ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Why did the FFA say during recruitment that the most qualified were too white and there were too many men? It was the FFA that said they needed to diversify. Who is looking at race and sex? Are they looking for the most qualified or trying to check boxes? You want that when you're flying or getting an operation? People want the most qualified. Period. I want to arrive at my destination alive. I want to walk out of the hospital alive.
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All joking aside, had the opportunity to fly out of Oslo a few years ago on SAS. They proudly made an announcement that it was a full DEI aircrew.

Gave me some pause, but I gave 'em the benefit of the doubt to see how they do. Proof is in the pudding.

The taxiing was a little herky-jerky and landing a little hard with a double bounce but they got it done and I'm still here.

Point is you could kinda tell.

Even if they hadn't said something in advance I would have peeked in the cockpit on deplane just to check.

Anyway, just a little story on this Friday afternoon.
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TAMU1990 said:

ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Why did the FFA say during recruitment that the most qualified were too white and there were too many men. It was the FFA that said they needed to diversify. Who is looking at race and sex? Are they looking for the most qualified or trying to check boxes? You want that when you're flying or getting an operation? People want the most qualified. Period. I want to arrive at my destination alive. I want to walk out of the hospital alive.
I want the most qualified also. You'll need to prove said person in said job is not-qualified. You're the one claiming it based on their sex or skin color. Not me.
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aggie93 said:

CanyonAg77 said:

Quote:

being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.
Ever hear of hydraulically boosted controls?

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I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit
Superior? Not equal?

Guilty until proven innocent?
It's a lot more than hydraulically boosted controls. One of my best friends is a helicopter pilot. Dude looks like he could be a SEAL. Even he comes home exhausted from the physical and mental strain of flying. Helicopters are not airplanes either, they are far more complicated and require far more physical strength and coordination to control.

As for the policies they chose to make it so that people of different sexes and races get advantages. Burden of proof is thus on people of those sexes and races who are in those roles to show they were hired based on merit. Can't have it both ways
My dad was a helicopter pilot for more than 30 years. He was a high school athlete and had great hand-eye coordination, but for most of his career didn't do much more than jog in the evenings to work out. His last 10 or so years was demanding flying with the Department of Energy, so it isn't like he was coasting.

Also, in the early '90s, I got the opportunity to ride in a Navy T-2 Buckeye out of NAS Kingsville. The female pilot, who was a Navy instructor pilot, didn't have any trouble flying that jet. If you want to talk about the physical difficulties of pulling G's or stuff like that, maybe so. But most aviation isn't so demanding that a woman can't do it.
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ETFan said:

TAMU1990 said:

ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Why did the FFA say during recruitment that the most qualified were too white and there were too many men. It was the FFA that said they needed to diversify. Who is looking at race and sex? Are they looking for the most qualified or trying to check boxes? You want that when you're flying or getting an operation? People want the most qualified. Period. I want to arrive at my destination alive. I want to walk out of the hospital alive.
I want the most qualified also. You'll need to prove said person in said job is not-qualified. You're the one claiming it based on their sex or skin color. Not me.


I'm claiming the government was infected by DEI and lowered the standards across multiple agencies. It started with Obama and was on hyperdrive with Biden. They also wanted people with mental or psychological disabilities. I'm sorry that they have those issues but that has nothing to do with sex or race. Anybody can fall into those categories. The FFA was looking for those applicants too.
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I see the paid agitators are back!
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

All joking aside, had the opportunity to fly out of Oslo a few years ago on SAS. They proudly made an announcement that it was a full DEI aircrew.

Gave me some pause, but I gave 'em the benefit of the doubt to see how they do. Proof is in the pudding.

The taxiing was a little herky-jerky and landing a little hard with a double bounce but they got it done and I'm still here.

Point is you could kinda tell.

Even if they hadn't said something in advance I would have peeked in the cockpit on deplane just to check.

Anyway, just a little story on this Friday afternoon.
Watch these two pilots!


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ETFan said:

TAMU1990 said:

ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Why did the FFA say during recruitment that the most qualified were too white and there were too many men. It was the FFA that said they needed to diversify. Who is looking at race and sex? Are they looking for the most qualified or trying to check boxes? You want that when you're flying or getting an operation? People want the most qualified. Period. I want to arrive at my destination alive. I want to walk out of the hospital alive.
I want the most qualified also. You'll need to prove said person in said job is not-qualified. You're the one claiming it based on their sex or skin color. Not me.


Im claiming that DEI lowers the standard and allows for those who would not have been hired before to then be hired under the new standard. That means that better hires have been left out and that there is then a notable difference between DEI hires and those who are not.

It's not complicated and you do know that but you're trying to play a "gotcha" game.
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TAMU1990 said:

I see the paid agitators are back!


Has honestly crossed my mind since some have been gone for years but have returned.
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You really have no idea what you are talking about. Slinging out pejoratives doesn't make you any less wrong.
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ETFan said:

TAMU1990 said:

ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.


Why did the FFA say during recruitment that the most qualified were too white and there were too many men. It was the FFA that said they needed to diversify. Who is looking at race and sex? Are they looking for the most qualified or trying to check boxes? You want that when you're flying or getting an operation? People want the most qualified. Period. I want to arrive at my destination alive. I want to walk out of the hospital alive.
I want the most qualified also. You'll need to prove said person in said job is not-qualified. You're the one claiming it based on their sex or skin color. Not me.


Their own recruiting documents are proof. Turning away thousands of qualified applicants because they are too straight, too white, and too male is proof.

You are completely our of you re element here, Donny.
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ETFan said:

aggie93 said:

HTownAg98 said:

aggie93 said:

Charpie said:

aggie93 said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Trump being Trump today with his comments. This is the type of thing that has blowback and got him bogged down the first time. I am sure Susie Wiles is pulling her hair out.
Except it appears the pilot was a Trans and the ATC Tower was understaffed in part because they have been pushing for DEI hires. It appears Trump knew this before the PC but the trickle out of information so far looks like it's going to support his statements.

Trump is going to be Trump, the key for him this go round is to stay on offense and not worry about trying to curry favor with the press, that was his downfall last time. He just needs to keep moving and moving fast so they can't focus on a target.
And the bolded part has already been debunked
A lot of things will continue to come out on this but that would still make it was a female pilot which would still be DEI.

Seems like you're going to be working overtime to round off the corners of that square peg to fit it into the round hole of DEI, no matter how much time it takes.
Not really. DEI means that someone is hired or given advantages based on something other than merit alone. Simply on physical qualifications alone there are very, very few women that can meet the same standards as men and physical qualifications definitely matter when you are talking about being a helicopter pilot which is a physically and mentally demanding job.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them to prove she was superior based on merit. If that can't be done it proves my point. A lot of people are dead and I'm tired of worrying about people's feelings.
I'm tired of people assuming any accident involving a women or minority is automatically because they are a women or minority which implies had a white male been doing X job during Y accident, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

This is foolish, sexist, racist, and most importantly ****ing lazy. If you actually cared about these accidents and those involved you'd start with a blank conclusion and fill it in as the actual facts come in. But you don't. You start with a conclusion and work backwards.



Dude I don't know if you see the younger generation or get on social media, but racism is back in vogue.

And liberals and their stupid ass DEI crap and platitudes like it are to blame.

Sorry to also interrupt your echo chamber. I think it's a shame and would like to go back to the early 2000s. Give the left and inch and they screw thongs up for a mile.

Your ilk is 100% to blame.
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TAMUallen said:


That is totally irresponsible. Those comments are directed at the RJ pilots and where in all this has anyone ever mentioned anything remotely that the RJ pilots did even slightest, smallest thing wrong. Debate has been between chopper pilots and ATC for fault.
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Where I think DEI most likely played a role in this tragic event is in the understaffed ATC. I would like to know if and how many qualified white, males were declined job offers because of some quota needing to be met.

One of the many problems with DEI is its insistence to match a career field with the various characteristics of a given population. The match should be made based on the make-up of said applicants and not the broader society at large.

For instance, say you have 100 engineering applicants for 10 positions. Option A would be to hire the top 10 based on merit. Option B would be to hire the top 5 females and the top 5 males. Which option has the best engineers? Its option A because approximately 85% of engineers are male. If you make the assumption that male and female applicants are evenly distributed, only 1-2 females would be in the top 10. Taking 3 more women just to match society means that 3 of those candidates are well below the 90 percentiles from where the 5 men would come from. The problem gets worse the more layers you add, i.e. race, sexual orientation.

When it comes to jobs where people's lives are at risk, the only thing that should matter is competence. This sooner this madness ends, the better.
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