Department of Education

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Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

The way I look I it I could give $100 to the DOE, they give $80 to the State. State gives $70 to school district.

Or I could give $100 to the district.

I know my corruption in there is lacking a lot of grift, but what else am I missing?
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Teacher













Unions










That's why
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You are a day behind. The meltdown du jour from the toilet researchers is that the SAVE act will definitely prevent married women from being able to vote.
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They so badly want big old govt to tell them what to do.

If your local school doesnt provide good support for a particular type of student, lobby for it. Or, move.

There are other options other than having Big Govt spend more, provide less, and get worse results.
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Teacher Unions, requirement of accountability which is lacking in most public schools and inability to control educational materials - indoctrination.

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The money doesn't go to help students.

It goes to Lefty orgs who might mention "education" somewhere in their mission statements.

And who give money back to politicians.
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Bondag said:

I know my corruption in there is lacking a lot of grift, but what else am I missing?
Democrats in federal government enjoy exercising power over the States even when the Constitution does not grant the federal government the particular power in question.

If you've ever watched Finding Nemo, the mindless seagulls yelling "MINE! MINE! MINE!" would be a good allegory.
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It doesn't matter what "Department of" it is, they are all just slush funds for corrupt politicians
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The minute the argument turns to "what about the children" you know it's a dumb argument
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What is this department you speak of?
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I had a very short debate with my conservative teacher wife last night. I told her the push for merit based pay would double her salary. She agreed (real superstar that everyone loves) but said I don't they're really feasible. Too hard to implement

I make a few points on how to do it. And close by saying the teacher unions have brainwashed you all on this topic. To the point that you aren't thinking rationally on it.

She paused for a minute thinking. Then said damn. You're right.

ETA: Down with the Dept of Education and down with teachers unions. They're all about indoctrination and pushing liberal ideology.
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Naming it the Departure of Education is about like how the liberals named the Inflation Reduction Act. Neither hold even remotely true to their names.
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here is all you need to know. we spend more money per student than any country in the world and over the last 35 years have fallen from 2nd to like 30th for students education. clearly money is not the problem maybe it's the people stealing it all.
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No joke! I heard about that the other day! The talking points are outrageous
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

You are a day behind. The meltdown du jour from the toilet researchers is that the SAVE act will definitely prevent married women from being able to vote.


Wait… is that NOT a feature? Now I'm disappointed lol.
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I have three educators/former educators in my immediate family. Elementary, HS, and college level. They all agree that the Dept of Education needs to be abolished and that we need vouchers now. I have no idea how any objective person world disagree.

A fear of someone not being educated is so far beyond stupid, it's not worth the argument. What we have now is a complete disaster.
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Bondag said:

Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?


Some people are concerned because of the federal regulations around IDEA. If the Department of Education goes, I guess IDEA would also go, and parents will have to start over with the state government. Texas doesn't love public education, especially when kids with special needs are involved. The law gives parents a leg to stand on when advocating for their children to people in control of limited resources. Need to eliminate bloated administration and fancy stadiums.

It's so easy to say if you don't like it, move. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but it could be very painful, especially for families already dealing with various types of hell, or at the least, complications. It would help people if they had time to start lobbying before the plug is pulled. If you have no sympathy for that, congrats on it not being your problem. That's one blessing you have.
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The same people that think reducing federal income taxes means fewer fire fighters think abolishing the Dept of Education means getting rid of public schools altogether.
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I guess the same reason every teacher I know starts shrieking uncontrollably any time they hear the word "voucher".

It's not like since the day the DOE was created spending per student has skyrocketed, and achievement has plummeted… Oh wait. It's exactly like that.
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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apparently Triple H was at the confirmation hearing today

supporting his mother-in-law
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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.
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College costs have skyrocketed directly because of government intervention in the loan market. Yes you needed financial aid. But would you have needed it if government hadn't screwed over college pricing so bad for the past 45 years?

My view is that education literally can't get any worse than it currently is. ****ty people stay in power forever because people worry about short term costs instead of long term benefits. Rip it out by the branch and see if what grows is any better.
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I actually had several part time jobs at A&M, but the money I made from those seemed like pocket change compared to the bills I had. Plus it was harder pursuing my engineering degree when I was working 20 to 30 hours a week. I eventually stopped most of the part time work and just got the max or close to the max on my financial aid each semester.

I think if the cost was a third of what it was back then, I still would have needed financial aid, but maybe the part time work money would have come closer to paying my bills. At the same time I don't know if I could have kept working like I did for the 5 years it took me to get my degree.

Once I graduated I paid off my student loans I'm 3 or 4 years. I remember a few years later I was making 120k a year and my rent was 400 dollars a month. I learned to live frugal. That's a far cry though to my monthly carry now.
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Bondag said:

Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

The way I look I it I could give $100 to the DOE, they give $80 to the State. State gives $70 to school district.

Or I could give $100 to the district.

I know my corruption in there is lacking a lot of grift, but what else am I missing?


Or you give $100 to DOE,
They take $35 for overhead expenses and give $65 to the state, which takes $15 for overhead and they give $50 to the local school district.
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

here is all you need to know. we spend more money per student than any country in the world and over the last 35 years have fallen from 2nd to like 30th for students education. clearly money is not the problem maybe it's the people stealing it all.
We were 38th in 2023 and have dropped to 40th in 2024. I heard this on the radio this morning.
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dreyOO said:

I had a very short debate with my conservative teacher wife last night. I told her the push for merit based pay would double her salary. She agreed (real superstar that everyone loves) but said I don't they're really feasible. Too hard to implement

I make a few points on how to do it. And close by saying the teacher unions have brainwashed you all on this topic. To the point that you aren't thinking rationally on it.

She paused for a minute thinking. Then said damn. You're right.







Wife is a retired teacher of thirty years and completely agrees with you. She is amazed how many teachers and former teachers don't. They have been brainwashed!
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VOTING BLOCK!!
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dreyOO said:

I had a very short debate with my conservative teacher wife last night. I told her the push for merit based pay would double her salary. She agreed (real superstar that everyone loves) but said I don't they're really feasible. Too hard to implement

I make a few points on how to do it. And close by saying the teacher unions have brainwashed you all on this topic. To the point that you aren't thinking rationally on it.

She paused for a minute thinking. Then said damn. You're right.



Never in my life have I heard a man winning an argument with his wife.
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Education is pretty much babysitting now,!
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Earth Rider said:

I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.
I would assume your niece will be taken care of by the Texas (or whatever state) dept of education. I don't understand why we need state departments AND federal...too redundant.

Also, if there is anything the gov't can do, it is find another agency to disperse money. There are too many to count that could disperse the financial aid.
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The results highlight what a bangup job the DOE is doing for academics.
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Aggie95 said:

Earth Rider said:

I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.
I would assume your niece will be taken care of by the Texas (or whatever state) dept of education.

Not sure what state they are in, but that's a strong assumption for Texas. I hope I'm wrong. Texas is currently trying get rid of 504 plans which may cover dyslexia.
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HoustonAg9999 said:

Education is pretty much babysitting now,!
As someone who was a teacher and also a member of a teacher's union, we had a saying:

Education is now daycare with entertainment.
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AggieTFA06 said:

HoustonAg9999 said:

Education is pretty much babysitting now,!
As someone who was a teacher and also a member of a teacher's union, we had a saying:

Education is now daycare with entertainment.


I hear push for 4 day school with extended hours or year round and the only pushback I get is "I don't have enough PTO to watch kids"
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