So here we go

BREAKING: Pope Francis is being treated for double pneumonia now following a CAT scan which he underwent today. Here is the full rundown from the Vatican Press Office: pic.twitter.com/E8gQuSuFfM

— Raymond Arroyo (@RaymondArroyo) February 18, 2025

And he only has one lung, so this is in two lobes of his one lung.

This is the way.

Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

there have been black popes

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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Most likely a guy who identifies as a girl and who runs a chain of abortion clinics.

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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Around 12% of the college of cardinals are from Africa, so there is a good chance the next Pope will be black.

Cardinal Sarah would be an incredible choice. But he's pretty old.

For those who are into studying detailed views of cardinals, this is a really good site.

https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/

fc2112 said:

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Cardinal Sarah would be an incredible choice. But he's pretty old.

For those who are into studying detailed views of cardinals, this is a really good site.

https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/

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Are they not all old?

TacosaurusRex said:

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Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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The power structure of the Catholic Church, much like many Western countries now, is beyond repair.

For the Catholics on here, please do not take this as me bashing on your faith. I live in a heavily Catholic community and support many of their causes and charities locally. They do plenty good. I do find the Vatican and larger hierarchy repulsive though.

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Trying to have this conversation with my deeply devout Catholic parent's is extremely tough. My parent's walk the walk. They both donate well over 40 hours a week in service of the church, and they donate well above their 10%. I gladly jump in where I can and support our local Catholic charities, but I will do everything in my power to make sure the Vatican (and the Catholic Charities of San Antonio) never get a dime of my money.

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I'm right with you.

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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Cardinal Sarah please!

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Would love to see one of the African cardinals ascend to the chair of Peter. They don't play ambiguity games like Pope Francis. They tend to be unambiguously orthodox and unafraid to say so.

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yeah, it's almost like they read the source material.

In terms of a replacement, if the Cardinals want someone more like him then the pick will likely be Tagle from the Phillipines. Very similar.

Sarah is likely going to be considered way too old.

A name to keep an eye on is Pizzaballa (yes his real name). He is currently based in Jerusalem. He could be considered an acceptable middle of the road candidate. Not as liberal as Francis but also not ultra conservative. He was the guy who offered himself as a hostage to Hamas in exchange for the release of Israelis.

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agracer said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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As a lapsed Catholic, I just may start going to church again if they bring in somebody that is not a hard core leftist. JP II has always been my exemplar of what a Pope should be.

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go for communion, not the Pope.

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This. The clergy is not the faith.

The ignorant Catholic bashing on these threads never ceases to amaze…..

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For me, I equate the Church with the current pope, just as I equate our government with the party in control. I did not support our government when the socialists were in charge, and I do not support the Church with the current socialist in charge. I would rather give my money directly to causes I support than to the Church when it will just flow to Catholic Charities or whatever left-wing group du jour they want to funnel money to. If that makes me a bad Catholic, albeit a lapsed one, I am content with that. I still have faith, but it does not necessarily reside in the Catholic Church, or the current Pontiff, right now.

Rumor mill from insiders this morning is that he probably doesn't make it. He's very sick.

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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Yeah, they will definitely elect a female Pope. She will be chosen from one of the multitude of female Bishops and Cardinals.

2000AgPhD said:

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For me, I equate the Church with the current pope, just as I equate our government with the party in control. I did not support our government when the socialists were in charge, and I do not support the Church with the current socialist in charge. I would rather give my money directly to causes I support than to the Church when it will just flow to Catholic Charities or whatever left-wing group du jour they want to funnel money to. If that makes me a bad Catholic, albeit a lapsed one, I am content with that. I still have faith, but it does not necessarily reside in the Catholic Church, or the current Pontiff, right now.

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That's ignorant and I feel sorry for you.

I missed the part where it is mandatory I pay to recieve the Body of Christ. I guess our parish pastor is a heretic.

fc2112 said:

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Rumor mill from insiders this morning is that he probably doesn't make it. He's very sick.

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False profits shouldn't be espousing the word of God when they obviously never speak to God…

God has a tendency to always win…

American Hardwood said:

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This thread went off the rails.

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the catholic bashers like to do that when anything about the CC is posted. Never fails.

2000AgPhD said:

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B-1 83 said:

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agracer said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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As a lapsed Catholic, I just may start going to church again if they bring in somebody that is not a hard core leftist. JP II has always been my exemplar of what a Pope should be.

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go for communion, not the Pope.

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This. The clergy is not the faith.

The ignorant Catholic bashing on these threads never ceases to amaze…..

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For me, I equate the Church with the current pope, just as I equate our government with the party in control. I did not support our government when the socialists were in charge, and I do not support the Church with the current socialist in charge. I would rather give my money directly to causes I support than to the Church when it will just flow to Catholic Charities or whatever left-wing group du jour they want to funnel money to. If that makes me a bad Catholic, albeit a lapsed one, I am content with that. I still have faith, but it does not necessarily reside in the Catholic Church, or the current Pontiff, right now.

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So you just flip flop your faith based on who is in charge?

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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Want to get ahead of this, and point out some of the finest and most orthodox minded Catholics are black priests. If its a rigorous conservative black Pope, will be all for it. Its significant that even among the nearly completely apostate Episcopalians and Anglicans, it is their African bishop contingent that is firmly conservative and pushing back.

Now a female is ludicrous. The Orthodox East would have won the papacy argument at a stroke. Definite apostasy.

If they elect a female that is directly against what the Bible says.

The Ethiopian College is on Vatican grounds, I don't think color should come into play but it does these days. Just get the best male

24601 said:

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Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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The power structure of the Catholic Church, much like many Western countries now, is beyond repair.

For the Catholics on here, please do not take this as me bashing on your faith. I live in a heavily Catholic community and support many of their causes and charities locally. They do plenty good. I do find the Vatican and larger hierarchy repulsive though.

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Is this recency bias caused by a bad pope and a relatively ineffective one before that? Or would you have said the same thing during the JP II years?

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I mean, we can only view things through the lens of trends. I guess its how you define "recent". JP2 has been dead 20 years.

Pope Francis needs to retire for his own health. He's 88 years old and has developed pneumonia in both lungs.

Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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24601 said:

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Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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The power structure of the Catholic Church, much like many Western countries now, is beyond repair.

For the Catholics on here, please do not take this as me bashing on your faith. I live in a heavily Catholic community and support many of their causes and charities locally. They do plenty good. I do find the Vatican and larger hierarchy repulsive though.

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Is this recency bias caused by a bad pope and a relatively ineffective one before that? Or would you have said the same thing during the JP II years?

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I mean, we can only view things through the lens of trends. I guess its how you define "recent". JP2 has been dead 20 years.

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I don't think its beyond repair because unlike earlier centuries there is no military or even strongly national matters at stake. If a complete reboot of the Curia is needed, it could be done with a strong enough pontiff with relatively little risk to the Church at large.

Not sure who said it but I believe it was a Cardinal. He said that if the priests, bishops and cardinals were unable to destroy the church then nothing could.

sigh, the TexAgs filters strike again. Posted a tweet with this tid bit.

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This is famous but timely: Cardinal Ercole Consalvi, Secretary of State of pope Pius VII, said to Napoleon who threatened to destroy the Church: "You will not succeed, your majesty. Not even we [priests, bishops and cardinals] had been able to do that".

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fc2112 said:

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Rumor mill from insiders this morning is that he probably doesn't make it. He's very sick.

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When medical updates shift from prognosis to someone being "in good spirits", it usually isn't a good sign.

Apparently the Vatican TV/Radio office has been "alerted for the eventuality of an extraordinary edition"

Vatican News is reporting the Pope was out of bed today sitting in a chair and ate breakfast after having a restful night. Clinical condition seems to be improving.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/pope-had-a-good-night-and-ate-breakfast.html

infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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A female Pope? You don't know **** about the Catholic Church, do you?

2000AgPhD said:

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B-1 83 said:

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agracer said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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As a lapsed Catholic, I just may start going to church again if they bring in somebody that is not a hard core leftist. JP II has always been my exemplar of what a Pope should be.

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go for communion, not the Pope.

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This. The clergy is not the faith.

The ignorant Catholic bashing on these threads never ceases to amaze…..

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For me, I equate the Church with the current pope, just as I equate our government with the party in control. I did not support our government when the socialists were in charge, and I do not support the Church with the current socialist in charge. I would rather give my money directly to causes I support than to the Church when it will just flow to Catholic Charities or whatever left-wing group du jour they want to funnel money to. If that makes me a bad Catholic, albeit a lapsed one, I am content with that. I still have faith, but it does not necessarily reside in the Catholic Church, or the current Pontiff, right now.

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I'd say that doesn't make you a bad Catholic because I don't think you can actually consider yourself a Catholic with thoughts like this. It's like saying you're Christian but you worship the Devil or something. It's incongruent.

Francis Macomber said:

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infinity ag said:

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Pope has pneumonia in both of his lungs as per reports.

He may not survive much longer. He is 88 after all.

I wonder if the Church will go woke/DEI and elect a black Pope? Or a female Pope?

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A female Pope? You don't know **** about the Catholic Church, do you?

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He might be too old by the time a new one is needed, but I'd be good with Cardinal Sarah