Why are we still paying taxes? Tax collection needs to stop until a full accounting is completed.
The US has a living citizen between 360-369 years of age
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deddog said:"analytics"?oh no said:and the evil fascist unelected dictator Musk is compromising that person's personal information by running analytics on the database.Quote:
The US has a living citizen between 360-369 years of age
Or some beginner SQL?
I wish he ran some SQLs to show how many SS payments went to people over 120 years of age.
The oldest human recorded died at 122. The oldest American died at 119.
People, to the SS, are like voters to the Democrats. They just make them up to suit their agenda.
infinity ag said:
On the positive side, it shows how good our healthcare is. So many super-duper centenarians. Which country can boast of 350 year olds??
We are already MAGA.
I don't get how someone this old would have a valid SS# in the first place.
Unless vampires are actually real and the government knows about it. Or someone just fat fingered their birthdate.
The total number of SS# is of much bigger concern.
Unless vampires are actually real and the government knows about it. Or someone just fat fingered their birthdate.
The total number of SS# is of much bigger concern.
COBOLCharpie said:
Wasn't this whole date thing attributed to the programing language being in COBALT and the fact that some of the birthdates were blank?
Imagine being over 120 years old when you voted for Washington....Burrus86 said:
360+ years and voted democrat since Washington first ran for president.
BusterAg said:
This certainly shows that the SSN database is complete crap, and needs to be re-written.
Good. As long as they don't outsource that job to Indian IT companies.
Rebuild the DB in America!
This is the required step 2.infinity ag said:deddog said:"analytics"?oh no said:and the evil fascist unelected dictator Musk is compromising that person's personal information by running analytics on the database.Quote:
The US has a living citizen between 360-369 years of age
Or some beginner SQL?
I wish he ran some SQLs to show how many SS payments went to people over 120 years of age.
The oldest human recorded died at 122. The oldest American died at 119.
Any decent database programmer with access to both databases could run this report in less than a week.
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Quick math of the 110yr old plus...
17,900,000.
I've seen memes, if I recall, talking about 1300 per month in SS benefits. Maybe that's average or median... $15,600 per year
$280 BILLION per year
Just in dead SS benefits. That doesn't take in Medicare or disability fraud
17,900,000.
I've seen memes, if I recall, talking about 1300 per month in SS benefits. Maybe that's average or median... $15,600 per year
$280 BILLION per year
Just in dead SS benefits. That doesn't take in Medicare or disability fraud
12.4 million times? Doubtful.Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Also, why even have social security numbers if duplicity has been allowed this whole time. What did these people even do at work.
That is a lot of fat fingering of birthdays to get millions of errors
Hanlon's razor:Red Fishing Ag93 said:12.4 million times? Doubtful.Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Also, why even have social security numbers if duplicity has been allowed this whole time. What did these people even do at work.
Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Other wise you're suggesting that 1 out of every 30 people is defrauding SS. Which sounds more plausible? That? Or that SSA just doesn't have their act together?
Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Just some good old fashioned incompetence. People make mistakes. Totally incident. No fraud here.
Do you actually believe your own malarkey?
I was wondering when a thread would finally be started on this topic. 24 hours later...
Just stop the payments to anyone with an issue or is over the age of 100. Send them a letter that they need to go to a ss office to fix. My guess is that a ton will never fix.
Yes! I work professionally in data risk management. I know what dirty data looks like.Kenneth_2003 said:Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Just some good old fashioned incompetence. People make mistakes. Totally incident. No fraud here.
Do you actually believe your own malarkey?
I don't understand why he just posts this kind of data without fully explaining the context. Obviously that list is not a list of people that are receiving money from Social Security. Wouldn't that be more appropriate info to share something like "The number of SSNs that belong to people receiving benefits and those people's ages"?
Surely it's easy enough to run that kind of query. Why not share that instead?
The info in that tweet just seems like it's being provided to get attention, not really share any useful info.
Surely it's easy enough to run that kind of query. Why not share that instead?
The info in that tweet just seems like it's being provided to get attention, not really share any useful info.
It is actually most likely that it is both incompetence AND fraud. The degree of each is undetermined at this time.Jeeper79 said:Hanlon's razor:Red Fishing Ag93 said:12.4 million times? Doubtful.Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Also, why even have social security numbers if duplicity has been allowed this whole time. What did these people even do at work.
Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Other wise you're suggesting that 1 out of every 30 people is defrauding SS. Which sounds more plausible? That? Or that SSA just doesn't have their act together?
I say we just fix the glitch Office Space style. Stop sending checks to every number over 100 years old. If after 3 months or so nobody calls in to complain, delete the number.
(Edit: Dang, dallasiteinsa02 beat me to it)
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Charpie said:Yes COBOL does according to IBMLogos Stick said:Charpie said:
Wasn't this whole date thing attributed to the programing language being in COBALT and the fact that some of the birthdates were blank?
So there are 390 million records in the SS database with blank fields for birthdate. Also, COBOL doesn't have DATE data type.https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/i/7.5?topic=items-working-date-time-data-typesQuote:
Items of COBOL class date-time, include date, time, and timestamp items. These items are declared with the FORMAT clause of a data description entry. For example:
01 group-item.
05 date1 FORMAT DATE "%m/%d/@Y".
05 date2 FORMAT DATE.
05 time1 FORMAT TIME SIZE 8 LOCALE german-locale.
05 time2 FORMAT TIME "%H:%M:%S".
05 time3 FORMAT TIME.
05 timestamp1 FORMAT TIMESTAMP.
That is not COBOL. That is some DDS stuff within IBM's version of COBOL.
"DDS (Data Description Specifications) is not part of COBOL itself but is closely associated with it, especially in the context of IBM's iSeries (formerly AS/400) environment.
DDS is used to define the structure of data files, display files, and printer files in IBM i systems. It allows developers to specify how data should be stored, displayed, or printed without directly writing the COBOL code for these definitions."
CanyonAg77 said:Charpie said:
That's not the way COBOL works, from what I understand. It allows for blank values like that.I mean, it's COBOL
I haven't done programming since BASIC, but I'm pretty damn sure you could write a program in any language that rejects a value for being blank.
100%
Choice A: the organization that is bankrupt if it can't continually get money from new enrollees "doesn't have its act together"
Choice B: the system is dated, full of errors, has major redundancies, has no QC, and has never been fixed because
- B1 - it's too hard to fix and government workers can't be relied upon to do it / operate a more efficient system
- B2 - it's a feature not a bug that it's this broken
To be goaltending at this point, when the best case excuse is that our government failed to fix errors that can lead to a combo of fraud, theft, or oopsies, is simply remarkable.
Choice B: the system is dated, full of errors, has major redundancies, has no QC, and has never been fixed because
- B1 - it's too hard to fix and government workers can't be relied upon to do it / operate a more efficient system
- B2 - it's a feature not a bug that it's this broken
To be goaltending at this point, when the best case excuse is that our government failed to fix errors that can lead to a combo of fraud, theft, or oopsies, is simply remarkable.
Logos Stick said:CanyonAg77 said:Charpie said:
That's not the way COBOL works, from what I understand. It allows for blank values like that.I mean, it's COBOL
I haven't done programming since BASIC, but I'm pretty damn sure you could write a program in any language that rejects a value for being blank.
100%
If any of you are old enough to remember that turtle programming game (I think it was called Logo), I could probably program that to do it. They knew about the theft and they didn't care…hell they were stealing, why not let everyone get in on it?
But I know no matter what the waitress brings
I shall drink it and always be full, yeah I will drink it and always be full
I shall drink it and always be full, yeah I will drink it and always be full
The most logical explanation isn't fat fingering. It's simply not updating people when they are dead.Jeeper79 said:Hanlon's razor:Red Fishing Ag93 said:12.4 million times? Doubtful.Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
Also, why even have social security numbers if duplicity has been allowed this whole time. What did these people even do at work.
Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Other wise you're suggesting that 1 out of every 30 people is defrauding SS. Which sounds more plausible? That? Or that SSA just doesn't have their act together?
You know, like voter rolls.
Its convenient, and provides plausible deniability when you or your friends commit fraud.
This is a nice way to make sure illegal immigrants have a nice pool of social security numbers that they can use without any problem and allows treasury to send tax refunds to illegals.
You're moving the goal post. Where did I goal tend?Heineken-Ashi said:
Choice A: the organization that is bankrupt if it can't continually get money from new enrollees "doesn't have its act together"
Choice B: the system is dated, full of errors, has major redundancies, has no QC, and has never been fixed because
- B1 - it's too hard to fix and government workers can't be relied upon to do it / operate a more efficient system
- B2 - it's a feature not a bug that it's this broken
To be goaltending at this point, when the best case excuse is that our government failed to fix errors that can lead to a combo of fraud, theft, or oopsies, is simply remarkable.
Me saying some of yall are wrong isn't the same as me saying social security is right. Or that it doesn't need fixing.
This is why Liberal people are 'concerned' about DOGE and Elon's team having access to the data.
Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
People keep saying this as if Musk a) said differently and b) DOGE is only going after fraud.
Musk didn't say it was necessarily fraudulent in all cases and DOGE is supposed to concern itself with efficiency, which this most certainly covers.
Im not talking about Musk calling it fraud. I'm talking about the people here saying it is.91AggieLawyer said:Jeeper79 said:
The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.
Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.
Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.
People keep saying this as if Musk a) said differently and b) DOGE is only going after fraud.
Musk didn't say it was necessarily fraudulent in all cases and DOGE is supposed to concern itself with efficiency, which this most certainly covers.
More details:
The question that everyone should be asking is how were 64 million excess active SSNs used to commit fraud? That's the next shoe to drop.
- Elon is not the first person to discover this problem.
- In 2015, the SSA IG reported that there were 6.5 million active SSNs assigned to persons older than 112 years. Nothing was done about it.
- Then in 2023, another SSA IG review found 18.9 million active SSNs assigned to persons with date of birth prior to 1920 and no date of death. Again, nothing was done about it.
- It will not surprise anyone that the media aggressively ignored this story.
- Based on the chart Xeeted out by Elon yesterday, the difference in the number of active SSNs and the population of the US is over 64 million. Read that again.
The question that everyone should be asking is how were 64 million excess active SSNs used to commit fraud? That's the next shoe to drop.
Forget the date thing. 80 million more socials than people in U.S.
That number is a mix of fraud and illegals.
That number is a mix of fraud and illegals.
someone did for SS only in the thread, $268 billion!!JFABNRGR said:
Lets do payouts now with with these numbers for both social security, medicare/medicaid, and any tax refunds.
And you wonder why libs are scared ****less of musk and doge.
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