This damn flu has ME feeling 360 !!!

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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No, but it does not mean that Lupe or Nancy Pelosi is not getting that check. I am so tired of paying taxes for this crap.

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I've become numb to the fact that my money is being wasted. I just don't give a s*** anymore. I know I shouldn't feel this way, I'm just to tired to care.

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JB!98 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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No, but it does not mean that Lupe or Nancy Pelosi is not getting that check. I am so tired of paying taxes for this crap.

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I've become numb to the fact that my money is being wasted. I just don't give a s*** anymore. I know I shouldn't feel this way, I'm just to tired to care.

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Then they are not taking enough from you to spend on this BS. It consumes my thoughts for two weeks after I write my quarterly check. If they only took 10-15% from me, it wouldn't even cross my mind.

they could make a movie about this. accountant for sun to clean up the ss db. discovers all these super old people getting paid. starts investigating and finds that they're classified. dogs a little more and gets threatened. someone else in the gov slips info that vampires/immortals/etc are real. chaos ensues.
or they just find out they're people in witness protection or a way to hide payments to cia assets or something.

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Psycho Bunny said:

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JB!98 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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No, but it does not mean that Lupe or Nancy Pelosi is not getting that check. I am so tired of paying taxes for this crap.

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I've become numb to the fact that my money is being wasted. I just don't give a s*** anymore. I know I shouldn't feel this way, I'm just to tired to care.

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Then they are not taking enough from you to spend on this BS. It consumes my thoughts for two weeks after I write my quarterly check. If they only took 10-15% from me, it wouldn't even cross my mind.

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Oh they are, when I see how much of my overtime money goes to taxes. Regular pay is meh, overtime pay, I feel as though working OT is pointless when I get penalized for working extra hours. Especially when the OT is forced on me, because the lack of man power the department has.

Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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Well, it does work that way. Two years ago, my father passed away two days before his next SS deposit. I met with the funeral home the next day and they filed for the death certificate one day before his next SS check. SS did NOT deposit his next check.

When will it be fixed?

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Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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Well, it does work that way. Two years ago, my father passed away two days before his next SS deposit. I met with the funeral home the next day and they filed for the death certificate one day before his next SS check. SS did NOT deposit his next check.

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I'm reminded of a scene in shameless where they get a lady to play the aunt buried in the front yard. They cash the checks each month and act like she is still there. Why wouldn't you if you could. Not everyone goes to funeral home.

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Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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Well, it does work that way. Two years ago, my father passed away two days before his next SS deposit. I met with the funeral home the next day and they filed for the death certificate one day before his next SS check. SS did NOT deposit his next check.

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I'm reminded of a scene in shameless where they get a lady to play the aunt buried in the front yard. They cash the checks each month and act like she is still there. Why wouldn't you if you could. Not everyone goes to funeral home.

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Everyone on here is so sure of the ways to commit fraud that it makes me wonder how many actually do these in real life as they seem so versed in the ways.

Just scanned the first part of the thread, but how many of these relics are receiving benefits? I just saw that they exist in a database.

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Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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No, but it does not mean that Lupe or Nancy Pelosi is not getting that check. I am so tired of paying taxes for this crap.

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I've become numb to the fact that my money is being wasted. I just don't give a s*** anymore. I know I shouldn't feel this way, I'm just to tired to care.

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Um, take a look at your W-2s.

Now, imagine that Box labeled FIT was 25% lower. Now, imagine it was 100% higher.

Then, tell me again you don't care.

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Just scanned the first part of the thread, but how many of these relics are receiving benefits? I just saw that they exist in a database.

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Covered quite a few times deeper in the thread.

249 years old.. that brings a new meaning to Old Fart…. Can you imagine our senators at 249 ? Hell they can't keep from falling down weekly now…. So 84 million extra SS numbers …. Hmmmmm

Part of the solution I was thinking about has been suggested already.

1. Immediately stop all payments for folks over 100 and provide contact info for SSA folks who will respond within 48 hours(actually serve the folks, no BS runaround).

2. Notify all in multiple ways, that ANY SS funds spent that belongs to a deceased person will result in felony theft charges on X date if notification is not provided in 60 days.

3. Any new fraud committed after that 60 days out deadline will result in minimum 5 years jail time and recovery of funds by any means necessary.

4. Offer $5000 rewards for information leading to arrest of offenders.

5. Install strict standards for nursing homes with hefty fines or criminal penalties if death notification isn't done within X days

6,7,8 whatever else is needed.

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All I remember about COBOL is PIC XXXXX declarations. And my 2 completely worthless "teammates."

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I'm a C++ and C# programmer, but I've written code to interop with COBOL subroutines, so I know what that means.

Each variable in COBOL has a PICTURE clause (almost always abbreviated to PIC) that indicates its format: 9 for a digit, A for a letter, X for an arbitrary character/byte, V for an implied decimal point, or S for a sign. Larger fields can be abbreviated with a repeat count in parentheses, so 9(4) is the same as 9999.

So, for example, PIC X(16) is a 16-byte string (padded with spaces at the end if the full length isn't needed), and PIC S9(9)V99 can store positive or negative numbers under a billion, with two decimal places.

Sometimes, devs do dumb things like copy text fields into numeric fields in a way that bypasses error-checking, so you end up with BINARY number fields that contain 0x20202020 or 0x40404040 because that's the representation of SPACES in ASCII and EBCDIC. And yes, I've encountered real-life examples of that.

By all means, lets just keep doing things the way they are. No need for DOGE.

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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Jeeper79 said:

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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Jeeper79 said:

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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Who specifically on this thread has indicated has a problem with it? If you are insinuating that I have a problem with it, you couldn't be more wrong. There is a ton of waste in government. What I do have a problem is saying half truths and bs in order to inflame.

Musk clearly stated there's 310 million "eligible." We don't yet know what that means or how many are receiving funding but if 93% of the population is eligible in some way it seems odd to the point of being suspicious. Also, showing the numbers and the associated age distribution clearly demonstrates the fallacy of the system and the extreme likelihood of wasted and/or fraud. THAT is his point.

What I am pissed about is Musk did not post the name and address and other information of the oldest citizen of the country - the 365 year old person.

Scroo yoo Elon.

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It's her!!

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"When your powers combine...I am Captain Crappit"

I have a feeling that once all the fraud is rooted out of SSA, it should extend the insolvency date out a few years into the future.

EDIT to add: I know we are $35 trillion insolvent right now, but every little bit helps bring that number down.

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Jeeper79 said:

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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Who specifically on this thread has indicated has a problem with it? If you are insinuating that I have a problem with it, you couldn't be more wrong. There is a ton of waste in government. What I do have a problem is saying half truths and bs in order to inflame.

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Well you sure haven't provided anything to refute him other than derailing the thread about how you read a book once. In fact, nobody has clearly stated exactly what Elon is doing wrong with any factual basis. And we've asked, multiple times, for you smarter people to explain what we're missing.

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That's not the way COBOL works, from what I understand. It allows for blank values like that.I mean, it's COBOL

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I haven't done programming since BASIC, but I'm pretty damn sure you could write a program in any language that rejects a value for being blank.

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You can, but there are people who legitimately don't know their DOB and don't have documentation, and they could have and probably was an accepted norm for quite awhile.

For one, a lot of states weren't issuing birth certificates until the early 20th century, and a lot of children born in that era weren't born in hospitals. It's very likely that there's a large handful of very old people who legitimately never got one due to poor record keeping, and early SSN issuance may have not required it if you didn't know because in the 1930's there would have been a lot more people who didn't have those kinds of records.

For two, you could also have immigrants and refugees who've gotten citizenship over the last 90 years that also lack that documentation. If you were fleeing South Vietnam and ended up in the US, you may not have had any kind of birth documentation to begin with or you may have been forced to leave it behind. Same for a lot of other places.

For a lot of SS's history, record keeping wasn't digitized and probably wasn't very stringent. With much of it on paper or punch cards, it wouldn't shock me that mistakes were made and never caught or incomplete data was just looked over. I work with data and I see this kind of stuff a lot. Even a lot of companies with digital records have terrible record keeping and really dirty data sets because the people entering and recording it never thought of how it might be used later and just didn't care to make sure it was all accurate. I've worked with systems that have a lot of market share in my industry that will allow some wild date information and other stuff, like contracts or transactions from the 1600's or 2300's. Some of it you can't just go in and fix either. The system won't allow you to change the date because other records reference it, and sometimes you can't even correct it in the DB (assuming you have permissions) because of accounting rules. It may have to be fudged to the current date or earliest open accounting period to properly recognize it. Point being, this is not an issue unique to SS or the government.

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Why wouldn't you if you could.

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Because it's stealing.

Many of us have. Please read the thread from the beginning. Heck there are many on this thread that have said that this was a known problem but it was too costly to fix. I worked for a company for many years that wanted modernize really bad. Their customers literally would not let them. Their backend is still being run in PICK BASIC. It's costly and their top engineers are in their 60s.

Time to get every citizen to verify their details with SSA.

Add a new field to the database and add in what proof materials have been submitted with images of the materials. For people over 90, SSA employees can make home visits.

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Some have posted that death reporting is automatic. NO it's not. I have first hand experience with it. When my first wife passed, I continued to receive her SS payments for 11 months by direct deposit. I was also continually billed for her Medicare premium. I called Social Security and Medicare multiple times. Medicare stated that I couldn't self-report, they could only be notified by SSA. SSA told me there was no way to self-report, that it had to come from the funeral home. I contacted the funeral home several times and they provided me with proof that they had reported the death to the SSA and to the State.

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Underscoring why the ***** at the SSA needed to be fired. And why we need DOGE. Government is horrifically inefficient at everything because it is not in a competitive environment. Federal employees believe they cannot be fired and they do not even answer to the head of the Executive Branch (or whatever branch).

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Time to get every citizen to verify their details with SSA.

Add a new field to the database and add in what proof materials have been submitted with images of the materials. For people over 90, SSA employees can make home visits.

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This is a great idea

This sweet grandma is the oldest American alive.

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Naomi Whitehead is the oldest living American at 114 years and 142 days old. She was born on September 26, 1910 in Georgia and currently lives in Greenville, Pennsylvania.

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