Teslag said:

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You can easily be against the funding of this war without echoing Russia's BS claims for justification or demonizing a guy for simply resisting an invasion of his country.

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I am not echoing Russian ***** I don't watch Russian propaganda.

I do have two eyes and a brain. I know when we are being robbed blind.

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And now Trump is adding more fuel to the fire.

This is dangerous rhetoric. We are giving off signals that we are sympathetic to Russia.

He is being played like a fiddle and playing straight into Putin's hands and some of his following will play right along.

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YOU are being played like a fiddle. How many more billions need to be stolen?

Trump Called him a dictator lmao

Trump is such a badass, him, Vance, Rubio and crew are making Europe crap themselves, calling an emergency meeting on how to "deal" with America and Trump lmao.

That war would never had started if not for the weak Dems and their non caring. They saw another opportunity to blow our Fing taxes and took it, 1.5 million men be damned.

Covid and a war to make people rich and bankrupt us. You can add the Iraq war in their too

DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

jrdaustin said:

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Heisenberg01 said:

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However, the overwhelming amount of military aid comes from the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

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Wait. That must be a no-good lying website you've linked, because it says the US has provided a total of $119 Billion in aid.

But Hullabaloonatic has told us that the US has only provided $68 Billion, and he's the authority on everything...

Isn't he?

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Here's my source. https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine

I don't know where 'Statista' is getting their figures from but I assume that is COMMITTED aid, not provided. ie what we plan to send vs what's actually been sent.

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Teslag said:

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You can easily be against the funding of this war without echoing Russia's BS claims for justification or demonizing a guy for simply resisting an invasion of his country.

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I am not echoing Russian ***** I don't watch Russian propaganda.

I do have two eyes and a brain. I know when we are being robbed blind.

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You many not be, but many are.

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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We aren't deciding for them. We are going to stop paying for it.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Heisenberg01 said:

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However, the overwhelming amount of military aid comes from the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

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Wait. That must be a no-good lying website you've linked, because it says the US has provided a total of $119 Billion in aid.

But Hullabaloonatic has told us that the US has only provided $68 Billion, and he's the authority on everything...

Isn't he?

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Here's my source. https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine

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Thanks for the link. It states specifically that the $68 Billion is in military assistance. Your original post stated TOTAL AID. Yet it excludes financial assistance and humanitarian assistance.

Do you agree that your original post is incorrect?

FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

lol. I thought we were promised a bromance.

MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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We had elections in World War 1 and World War II. In the Korea conflict. In the Vietnam War. In the many unending wars against "terror" starting in 2001.

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Trump Called him a dictator lmao

Trump is such a badass, him, Vance, Rubio and crew are making Europe crap themselves, calling an emergency meeting on how to "deal" with America and Trump lmao.

That war would never had started if not for the weak Dems and their non caring. They saw another opportunity to blow our Fing taxes and took it, 1.5 million men be damned.

Covid and a war to make people rich and bankrupt us. You can add the Iraq war in their too

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This is the truth as much as the Uke conflict fans won't like that they were led astray and are outing themselves as fools.

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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All we can do stop funding them. If you think that will stop the war and deaths it won't.

WestAustinAg said:

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MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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We had elections in World War 1 and World War II. In the Korea conflict. In the Vietnam War. In the many unending wars against "terror" starting in 2001.

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If you can't see the difference between our wars then and Ukraine's war right now, you are willfully ignorant IMO. Or being purposefully disingenuous more like, as I will grant you the presumption of good intelligence.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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Most Un-American trash I've read in a while.

Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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All we can do stop funding them. If you think that will stop the war and deaths it won't.

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Considering how wrong you've been on everything else, your assurances there will be more stacking of cordwood puts me at peace with our nation washing our hands of this and being done.

LOL. Our history is full of funding wars and telling countries what they can do and can't do. It's as American as apple pie

Eliminatus said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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We had elections in World War 1 and World War II. In the Korea conflict. In the Vietnam War. In the many unending wars against "terror" starting in 2001.

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If you can't see the difference between our wars then and Ukraine's war right now, you are willfully ignorant IMO. Or being purposefully disingenuous more like, as I will grant you the presumption of good intelligence.

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I see zero difference. They have zero reasons not to have elections while they wage war in about 1/3 of the country. The western side of the country is life as normal.

It's time to restore democracy to the country. Elections should never stop under any circumstances.

I'm still routing for Russia

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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Most Un-American trash I've read in a while.

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Un American as getting tied up in foreign alliances with no net benefit to us?

What would General Washington say?

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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All we can do stop funding them. If you think that will stop the war and deaths it won't.

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Considering how wrong you've been on everything else, your assurances there will be more stacking of cordwood puts me at peace with our nation washing our hands of this and being done.

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I've yet to be wrong about anything on this.

Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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All we can do stop funding them. If you think that will stop the war and deaths it won't.

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It will be in their best interest to stop it before the funding stops. Warning and motivation to do so is now being provided

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I'm still routing for Russia

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"No OnE hErE sUpPoRtS rUsSiA. dOnT cAlL uS iVaN"

Also lol at the Uke bois throwing out emotional blackmail like lefties on twitter.

Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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All we can do stop funding them. If you think that will stop the war and deaths it won't.

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Considering how wrong you've been on everything else, your assurances there will be more stacking of cordwood puts me at peace with our nation washing our hands of this and being done.

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I've yet to be wrong about anything on this.

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The Bromance is going swimmingly.

For Democracy (TM)

There are concerns that the Ukrainian president could be voted out of office if the country holds an election. https://t.co/7ZudoHmKZf

— Newsweek (@Newsweek) February 19, 2025

WestAustinAg said:

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Eliminatus said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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We had elections in World War 1 and World War II. In the Korea conflict. In the Vietnam War. In the many unending wars against "terror" starting in 2001.

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If you can't see the difference between our wars then and Ukraine's war right now, you are willfully ignorant IMO. Or being purposefully disingenuous more like, as I will grant you the presumption of good intelligence.

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I see zero difference. They have zero reasons not to have elections while they wage war in about 1/3 of the country. The western side of the country is life as normal.

It's time to restore democracy to the country. Elections should never stop under any circumstances.

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Even if that election is not free and fair to all the citizens? Feels like we just went through some very trying times ourselves regarding that....

There are plenty of reasons to not have elections over there right now. You mean, there are no reasons YOU agree with. Which is fine. Just don't postulate it as there is none. Because that is factually incorrect.

MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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Half the country didn't vote in that election either...

And, as has been stated ad infinitum, Ukraine is under martial law, and their constitution forbids elections until martial law. Every time this is brought up it gets ignored. Unless they lift martial law, which they aren't doing until the war is over, any elections are illegal. That is not the case here and why we can and have held elections in wartime.

There's also the practical problem that Russia is likely to bomb any public polling places.

Every single uke thread....

He just can't help himself....

WestAustinAg said:

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Eliminatus said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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MGS said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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We had a presidential election in 1864.

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We had elections in World War 1 and World War II. In the Korea conflict. In the Vietnam War. In the many unending wars against "terror" starting in 2001.

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If you can't see the difference between our wars then and Ukraine's war right now, you are willfully ignorant IMO. Or being purposefully disingenuous more like, as I will grant you the presumption of good intelligence.

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I see zero difference. They have zero reasons not to have elections while they wage war in about 1/3 of the country. The western side of the country is life as normal.

It's time to restore democracy to the country. Elections should never stop under any circumstances.

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So, "It's unconstitutional for them to hold elections," is not a reason to not hold elections? Unless they end martial law in the entire country, any elections are illegal.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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Most Un-American trash I've read in a while.

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Un American as getting tied up in foreign alliances with no net benefit to us?

What would General Washington say?

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Newsflash

America of 1776 is not the America of 2025.

Every luxury you enjoy is because we have a stranglehold on world trade, geopolitics and a robust set of alliances that we have maintained.

If you're willing to risk all of that - and letting Russia win, will risk all of that, because you're pissy about some billions already set aside for National Defense that you or 99% of the American Public would have never touched, go ahead.

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L.

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That is not OUR choice to make man.

If Zelensky wants to fight to the bitter end, and the Ukrainian force has the will and morale to carry on, and there are Russians in their territory, they have every right to do that.

We don't decide that for them. We sure as hell shouldn't absolve Putin for this war.

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When we spent hundreds of billions they can **** off with their autonomy. We get a say and they can stfu

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Most Un-American trash I've read in a while.

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Un American as getting tied up in foreign alliances with no net benefit to us?

What would General Washington say?

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Newsflash

America of 1776 is not the America of 2025.

Every luxury you enjoy is because we have a stranglehold on world trade, geopolitics and a robust set of alliances that we have maintained.

If you're willing to risk all of that - and letting Russia win, will risk all of that, because you're pissy about some billions already set aside for National Defense that you or 99% of the American Public would have never touched, go ahead.

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I'm willing to risk all that. Mainly because people like you are clueless. thank God trump is sounding like he's in my camp.

And your suggestion we won't have a stranglehold on global financial markets if we pull out of this grift is delusional.

You know what would get us losing our grip? Our dollar tanking and brics taking off. Which is exactly what frivolous foreign spending gets us into.

You people are like alcoholics trying to drink themselves sober and you're too proud or foolish or both to admit it.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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45-70Ag said:

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.

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Truly baffling that democrats can't seem to understand how many people dislike both Russia & Ukraine.

jrdaustin said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Heisenberg01 said:

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However, the overwhelming amount of military aid comes from the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

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Wait. That must be a no-good lying website you've linked, because it says the US has provided a total of $119 Billion in aid.

But Hullabaloonatic has told us that the US has only provided $68 Billion, and he's the authority on everything...

Isn't he?

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Here's my source. https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine

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Thanks for the link. It states specifically that the $68 Billion is in military assistance. Your original post stated TOTAL AID. Yet it excludes financial assistance and humanitarian assistance.

Do you agree that your original post is incorrect?

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You're right, I misinterpreted the line. Since the war began, Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid. The total budget authority under these billsthe "headline" figure often cited by news mediais $175 billion. A large share of the money in the aid bills is spent in the United States, paying for American factories and workers to produce the various weapons that are either shipped to Ukraine or that replenish the U.S. weapons stocks the Pentagon has drawn on during the war.