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People like stealing other people's earnings to subsidize their healthcare? No shlt, but just because it is popular doesn't make it right. This is just another subsidy for people that cannot afford to pay for themselves. Aka: socialism.

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The government stepped in to provide insurance when the insurance monopoly decided to stop covering tens of millions of people because they did the unthinkable act of getting old.

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The "monopoly" got that way, and got their start, due to govt interference. So, naturally, liberals wanted more of the same, you know, to "fix" things.

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No. They got that way well before government. Corporations stepped in first, but when folks retired, the monopoly decided not to insure these tens of millions of folks.

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We are less than 2 decades away from UHC if we do not do just that. Buckle up.

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Maybe. Better than 50 million people going bankrupt in 3 years due to medical costs. Do you know what the voting public would do to Republicans if that happened?

70 D senators and 300 D congressmen + a D in the White House would make us beg for UHC.

I don't want to think about it.

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People like stealing other people's earnings to subsidize their healthcare? No shlt, but just because it is popular doesn't make it right. This is just another subsidy for people that cannot afford to pay for themselves. Aka: socialism.

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The government stepped in to provide insurance when the insurance monopoly decided to stop covering tens of millions of people because they did the unthinkable act of getting old.

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Yeah that is not the role of the government and wasn't for almost the first 200 years of our nation's existence. Those people should have the same option they did prior to 1965.

They shouldn't have the option to vote for the government to steal earnings from other Americans to pay for their individual healthcare. I am more than willing and do pay for my own family. They should pay for theirs.

What we have now is essentially socialism and sliding more socialist everyday.

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BREAKING: Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna has expressed his intention to introduce President Trump’s executive order to reduce prescription drug prices in Congress as a bipartisan bill. pic.twitter.com/DHjZje8r8i

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 12, 2025

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I like this idea, despite the fact that it comes from someone with a Star Wars name who is an elected representative of the American people.

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I don't like it because the bill will be filled with tons of Dem pork and when the R's vote against it the Democrats will use it against them. I've seen this movie a THOUSAND times before.

Now if it's a single issue bill I'll give the man props for introducing it.

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BREAKING: Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna has expressed his intention to introduce President Trump’s executive order to reduce prescription drug prices in Congress as a bipartisan bill. pic.twitter.com/DHjZje8r8i

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 12, 2025

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I like this idea, despite the fact that it comes from someone with a Star Wars name who is an elected representative of the American people.

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I don't like it because the bill will be filled with tons of Dem pork and when the R's vote against it the Democrats will use it against them. I've seen this movie a THOUSAND times before.

Now if it's a single issue bill I'll give the man props for introducing it.

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The pork will be cut out before Johnson brings it to the floor. That's the advantage of being the majority. If it's packed with pork, just introduce a different bill on a single topic. Force dems to vote against exactly what they want w/o the kickbacks.

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People like stealing other people's earnings to subsidize their healthcare? No shlt, but just because it is popular doesn't make it right. This is just another subsidy for people that cannot afford to pay for themselves. Aka: socialism.

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The government stepped in to provide insurance when the insurance monopoly decided to stop covering tens of millions of people because they did the unthinkable act of getting old.

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The "monopoly" got that way, and got their start, due to govt interference. So, naturally, liberals wanted more of the same, you know, to "fix" things.

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No. They got that way well before government. Corporations stepped in first, but when folks retired, the monopoly decided not to insure these tens of millions of folks.

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Medical insurance got to be a thing that everyone got from their employer due to govt interference during WW2 via wage and price controls.

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How much is it the insurance companies fault. On one of my meds, a 30 day supply is $150, but if I order a 90 day supply it is still $150. That's not the pharmaceutical fault.

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It's the same with non-prescription OTC's. The per unit pricing is all over the place and confusing as hell.

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For the libertarians..

If there was no medicare or Medicaid, no Obamacare..

If every American had to pay out of pocket for everything healthcare related, would prescription drugs be..

A. More expensive in America
B. Cheaper in America
C. The same in America

And would they be..

A. More expensive in other countries
B. Cheaper in other countries
C. The same in other countries

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Get rid of Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid.

With each step we move closer to socialized medicine. Passing a bandaid to help with the problem of socializing medicine is not the answer.

Can you even imagine the cost reduction for those actually footing the bill for this idiotic system?

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replace obamacare with?

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Cash.

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Do you mean everyone just buy their own insurance like they do home and auto?

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Trump convinces Republicans they should support price controls now. ****ing looney toons world.

For what it's worth I am extremely anti-price controls on anything. The good news is this executive order likely has no mechanism for enforcement. I just think it's hilarious how Mao Commie MAGA has become.

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Medicare and Medicaid account for 40% of drug consumption. The executive branch has enough control to turn the screws on Big Pharma using those programs.

Buy it from an insurance company if you want it. No exchanges. It should just be for catastrophic coverage. Not day to day medical care. That should be paid in cash by the customer.

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BREAKING: Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna has expressed his intention to introduce President Trump’s executive order to reduce prescription drug prices in Congress as a bipartisan bill. pic.twitter.com/DHjZje8r8i

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) May 12, 2025

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I like this idea, despite the fact that it comes from someone with a Star Wars name who is an elected representative of the American people.

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I don't like it because the bill will be filled with tons of Dem pork and when the R's vote against it the Democrats will use it against them. I've seen this movie a THOUSAND times before.

Now if it's a single issue bill I'll give the man props for introducing it.

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The pork will be cut out before Johnson brings it to the floor. That's the advantage of being the majority. If it's packed with pork, just introduce a different bill on a single topic. Force dems to vote against exactly what they want w/o the kickbacks.

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That's fine IF that happens but unfortunately WAY too many RINO's making that slim majority moot.

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The pork will be cut out before Johnson brings it to the floor.

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I needed a good laugh

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> Other countries tell our pharma companies: “Sell your drug for 5 cents or we’ll ban it”
> The drug cost $10B to discover, but each pill only costs 1 cent to make
> So the pharma co does it, then charges US $10k per pill
> Trump bans this
> Libertarians: “Noooo my free market!”

— Roman Helmet Guy (@romanhelmetguy) May 12, 2025

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Okay, so Trump spent a month turning markets upside down because he said that other countries were screwing us (by the way, I agree! Lots of foreign countries are 100% screwing us on pharmaceutical IP!!). Then, after he walks back all his tariffs and the dust has settled, he does THIS to US pharma companies? Why didn't this idiot tell all the countries on which he was leveling tariffs that concessions on pharma pricing were a requirement for him to lift them!? USING ALL THE LEVERAGE OF OUR $30 TRILLION ECONOMY TO ADVANCE "AMERICA FIRST" WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF HIS STUPID TRADE WAR. THE TIME TO RAISE THIS ISSUE AND FORCE A CHANGE WAS 3-4 WEEKS AGO. INSTEAD, HE IGNORED A REAL ISSUE AND SCREWED UNITED STATES COMPANIES ON THE BACK END. I can't even wrap my head around the stupidity and contradictions here.

This is Trump's problem: there's no doubt that he can identify real problems, but he's a disorganized goof off who can't put together a coherent, mutually reinforcing set of policies. Instead, we routinely see his left hand fixing the damage that his right hand is doing. Exact same problem we're seeing with China: out of the right side of his mouth he's screaming that we need to reduce commercial reliance on China and out of the left side he's telling us how great his trade deal is when it reduces all the economic pressures on China to modify their behavior.

What a clown.

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> Other countries tell our pharma companies: “Sell your drug for 5 cents or we’ll ban it”
> The drug cost $10B to discover, but each pill only costs 1 cent to make
> So the pharma co does it, then charges US $10k per pill
> Trump bans this
> Libertarians: “Noooo my free market!”

— Roman Helmet Guy (@romanhelmetguy) May 12, 2025

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Okay, so Trump spent a month turning markets upside down because he said that other countries were screwing us (by the way, I agree! Lots of foreign countries are 100% screwing us on pharmaceutical IP!!). Then, after he walks back all his tariffs and the dust has settled, he does THIS to US pharma companies? Why didn't this idiot tell all the countries on which he was leveling tariffs that concessions on pharma pricing were a requirement for him to lift them!? USING ALL THE LEVERAGE OF OUR $30 TRILLION ECONOMY TO ADVANCE "AMERICA FIRST" WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF HIS STUPID TRADE WAR. THE TIME TO RAISE THIS ISSUE AND FORCE A CHANGE WAS 3-4 WEEKS AGO. INSTEAD, HE IGNORED A REAL ISSUE AND SCREWED UNITED STATES COMPANIES ON THE BACK END. I can't even wrap my head around the stupidity and contradictions here.

This is Trump's problem: there's no doubt that he can identify real problems, but he's a disorganized goof off who can't put together a coherent, mutually reinforcing set of policies. Instead, we routinely see his left hand fixing the damage that his right hand is doing. Exact same problem we're seeing with China: out of the right side of his mouth he's screaming that we need to reduce commercial reliance on China and out of the left side he's telling us how great his trade deal is when it reduces all the economic pressures on China to modify their behavior.

What a clown.

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I'd take a million of those clowns over one drunk, cackling word salad disaster.

But to your point, I bet Trump didn't think about the prescription issue until he spoke with that rich guy who complained about his "fat drug shot" and how cheaper it was in the UK than the US.

I agree it would have been nice leverage and guess what, it STILL CAN BE. It's not like these trade agreements are at the final stage. When Europe complains about their drug costs going up remind them that we could tariff the **** outta them and how will they retaliate? Are they going to tariff the now MUCH more expensive drugs and make their people pay even more? Nope.

One final point, Biden left a GIGANTIC mess for Trump to deal with so yes, he's not very organized but it's hard to be methodical when:

• There are millions of illegals that need to be deported with activist judges thwarting you at every turn
• USAID and all the NGO's need to be dismantled that were undermining him at every turn and funded all of his impeachments
• MULTIPLE wars Biden's weakness invited that need to be cleaned up around the globe

I could go on but hopefully you get my point.

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What are you talking about? Of course removing government from healthcare is a team effort. But Trump has been very specific on a lot of things that take more than an EO to accomplish, and he ALONG WITH ALMOST EVERY REPUBLICAN, is failing at fixing the issue. As the "Team Leader", he could actually be talking about and pushing removing tax incentives for getting insurance through employers, or reducing or eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. But he has no desire to do so, because ideologically he does not disagree with them.

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Im asking for specifics. That's all I've asked for since I challenged Big Rob to offer more than just blanket wet dream libertarian fantasy plattitudes and you decided to interject.

So your specifics you decide to offer are for Trump to "talk about" and "push" ideas that would get anyone with an R next to their name removed from office in 2026 (assuming they even agreed with him which they wouldnt, because they all benefit from it).

Now try again.

What can TRUMP specifically do as president to "get government out of the way"?

While you are melting down, he's attacking the SOURCE in a direct manner that doesn't require lining up anyone else to accomplish it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but like tariffs, I think the result will be down the line after multiple rounds of negotiations, and Im willing to let it play out and see what actually happens rather than call him a liberal with a hit and run message board post that ignores the reality of public perception and the potential for administrative and legislative corruption.

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So, you're asking what can he do besides the things he can do but will not because he has no interest in doing? As in, what is he willing to do that will fix the probems government created? Nothing, we've established that already

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Wow Trump is turning into a socialist commie. I wonder how MAGA is going to conform itself to being for free market capitalism yet rooting for socialist polices like this.

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The fact you think this is free market capitalism shows your economic illiteracy.

This country has largely moved away from the actual free market with govt having it's hands in everything.

Capitalism is like socialism insofar as it's a broad system that covers a spectrum of markets. At some point they crossover each other. The chinese and russians have adopted some capitalism to save themselves from straight communism.

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Well, the left hates anything Trump does, but they also hate the fact that he gets most things that he sets out to do that is the best for the American people. They really hate that.

I remember when Trump had insulin prices set to come down and then Biden stopped them for about 6 to 8 months then brought it back and claimed he did it.

I won't be surprised at anything the left does.

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Trump's insulin price caps were voluntary and only applied to Medicare part D. Biden made them required and applied them to all of Medicare. Biden had plenty of screw ups, but this wasn't one of them.

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That's actually not true.

In that, it was one of many things that Biden halted that would've gone through on Trump's second term that ****ed the American people.

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Which part of what I said is not true?

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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And I bet Canada gets it for $8 per month.

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After paying 45% federal income tax.

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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And I bet Canada gets it for $8 per month.

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Exactly!

I already get premier healthcare. I have a 90/10 PPO. I sure a ****k don't pay 45% of my income to get it. If fact, I pay 3%.

Why the hell would I want socialized medicine? The US is better and faster than Canada. And I can afford it. Why would I want to pay for other people to be old, fat, or sick?

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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And I bet Canada gets it for $8 per month.

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Exactly!

I already get premier healthcare. I have a 90/10 PPO. I sure a ****k don't pay 45% of my income to get it. If fact, I pay 3%.

Why the hell would I want socialized medicine? The US is better and faster than Canada. And I can afford it. Why would I want to pay for other people to be old, fat, or sick?

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In the end we should help those in actual need. Sadly the grift of big government with zero audit and accountability has turned "healthcare" into what it is now. Majority of the takers are lazy, good for nothing slobs who treat their bodies like trash.

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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And I bet Canada gets it for $8 per month.

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Exactly!

I already get premier healthcare. I have a 90/10 PPO. I sure a ****k don't pay 45% of my income to get it. If fact, I pay 3%.

Why the hell would I want socialized medicine? The US is better and faster than Canada. And I can afford it. Why would I want to pay for other people to be old, fat, or sick?

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In the end we should help those in actual need. Sadly the grift of big government with zero audit and accountability has turned "healthcare" into what it is now. Majority of the takers are lazy, good for nothing slobs who treat their bodies like trash.

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Nope. Before the enactment of Medicare, the elderly often relied on a combination of personal savings, family support, charity, and private health insurance to cover their healthcare costs.

It is not the job of the US taxpayer to provide medical care to other Americans. We should have never began down this road.

It is bad enough democrats want to create endless entitlements when they have power, but now Republicans are going to do it too to buy votes?

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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After paying 45% federal income tax.

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That's not why they get it for $8. They get it for $8 because the American taxpayers subsidize it.

Just like the American taxpayers pay for Canadian defense.

This taxpayer - and Trump it seems - has had enough.

Eta: you and Tom Fox are free to send as much of your money to the Canadians as you want though.

Bernie Sanders released the following statement.

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I agree with President Trump: It is an outrage that the American people pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. It is beyond unacceptable that we pay, in some cases, ten times more for the same exact prescription drugs than people in other major countries. But let's be clear: The problem is not that the price of prescription drugs is too low in Europe and Canada. The problem is that the extraordinarily greedy pharmaceutical industry made over $100 billion in profits last year by ripping off the American people.
Further, as Trump well knows, his executive order will be thrown out by the courts. If Trump is serious about making real change rather than just issuing a press release, he will support legislation I will soon be introducing to make sure we pay no more for prescription drugs than people in other major countries. If Republicans and Democrats come together on this legislation, we can get it passed in a few weeks.

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Since we're complaining about responses from dems or liberals or whatever you want to call them before they're made, let's see rightists stomach this.

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Bernie Sanders released the following statement.

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I agree with President Trump: It is an outrage that the American people pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. It is beyond unacceptable that we pay, in some cases, ten times more for the same exact prescription drugs than people in other major countries. But let's be clear: The problem is not that the price of prescription drugs is too low in Europe and Canada. The problem is that the extraordinarily greedy pharmaceutical industry made over $100 billion in profits last year by ripping off the American people.
Further, as Trump well knows, his executive order will be thrown out by the courts. If Trump is serious about making real change rather than just issuing a press release, he will support legislation I will soon be introducing to make sure we pay no more for prescription drugs than people in other major countries. If Republicans and Democrats come together on this legislation, we can get it passed in a few weeks.

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Since we're complaining about responses from dems or liberals or whatever you want to call them before they're made, let's see rightists stomach this.

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Bernie is a ****ing ******.

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Entresto is one of the most prescribed heart medications, and consists of a a combination of two established drugs. Cost is $846.63 per month. There is no generic to compete with it.

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And I bet Canada gets it for $8 per month.

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After paying 45% federal income tax.

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That's not why they get it for $8. They get it for $8 because the American taxpayers subsidize it.

Just like the American taxpayers pay for Canadian defense.

This taxpayer - and Trump it seems - has had enough.

Eta: you and Tom Fox are free to send as much of your money to the Canadians as you want though.

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I want it available regardless of the price, so I at least have the choice of deciding if it is worth the cost. It could be $500k a year, and I still want it as an option. Those other countries are not going to fund the R&D, just like their health care sucks. I want it available regardless of the cost and do not want to introduce more socialism that will stymie innovation.

You can only pick two:

Good
Fast
Cheap

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What are you talking about? Of course removing government from healthcare is a team effort. But Trump has been very specific on a lot of things that take more than an EO to accomplish, and he ALONG WITH ALMOST EVERY REPUBLICAN, is failing at fixing the issue. As the "Team Leader", he could actually be talking about and pushing removing tax incentives for getting insurance through employers, or reducing or eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. But he has no desire to do so, because ideologically he does not disagree with them.

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Im asking for specifics. That's all I've asked for since I challenged Big Rob to offer more than just blanket wet dream libertarian fantasy plattitudes and you decided to interject.

So your specifics you decide to offer are for Trump to "talk about" and "push" ideas that would get anyone with an R next to their name removed from office in 2026 (assuming they even agreed with him which they wouldnt, because they all benefit from it).

Now try again.

What can TRUMP specifically do as president to "get government out of the way"?

While you are melting down, he's attacking the SOURCE in a direct manner that doesn't require lining up anyone else to accomplish it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but like tariffs, I think the result will be down the line after multiple rounds of negotiations, and Im willing to let it play out and see what actually happens rather than call him a liberal with a hit and run message board post that ignores the reality of public perception and the potential for administrative and legislative corruption.

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As leader of the party, for better or worse, he can work with the leadership in both houses to repeal onerous regulations like Medicare and Medicaid, EMTALA and Obamacare. Until Medicare is repealed, direct his subordinates there to work towards re-examining their formulary to help with lower costs there. Also, as head of the head of the FDA, he can get them more streamlined and efficient so as to not require $5-10B per new drug released as well as hold pharmaceutical companies more to task for real failures that cause actual harm. Actually pursuing possible criminal charges if a company knowingly hoodwinked them via data fudging.

That's a start that will help bring down costs for drugs.

Actually conservative principles as opposed to his usual, kneejerk liberalism.

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How many congressional votes do you think this congress will put forth to support ending Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare?

Again, libertarian wet dream fantasies. I'm 100% on board with you about what the problem and solution are. But the solution isn't possible. Literally no chance. Not even 25% of politicians would support that. So Trump either talks a big game and does nothing, or he uses his limited time to try something he can control.

It won't stymie r&d. Big Pharma can't sell the drugs to us at those prices. Thus they will raise the prices for those countries. If those countries refuse to pay they will get no drugs. Those countries won't do that. They can't do that. They will have no choice but to pay. The profit center is America.

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It won't stymie r&d. Big Pharma can't sell the drugs to us at those prices. Thus they will raise the prices for those countries. If those countries refuse to pay they will get no drugs. Those countries won't do that. They can't do that. They will have no choice but to pay. The profit center is America.

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Maybe. Maybe not. I know we have the best Pharma and medical industry in the world right now. I'd like to keep it that way and see no reason to risk it.

Eliminating the socialized components of our healthcare system is the answer. Not adding more.

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What are you talking about? Of course removing government from healthcare is a team effort. But Trump has been very specific on a lot of things that take more than an EO to accomplish, and he ALONG WITH ALMOST EVERY REPUBLICAN, is failing at fixing the issue. As the "Team Leader", he could actually be talking about and pushing removing tax incentives for getting insurance through employers, or reducing or eliminating Medicare and Medicaid. But he has no desire to do so, because ideologically he does not disagree with them.

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Im asking for specifics. That's all I've asked for since I challenged Big Rob to offer more than just blanket wet dream libertarian fantasy plattitudes and you decided to interject.

So your specifics you decide to offer are for Trump to "talk about" and "push" ideas that would get anyone with an R next to their name removed from office in 2026 (assuming they even agreed with him which they wouldnt, because they all benefit from it).

Now try again.

What can TRUMP specifically do as president to "get government out of the way"?

While you are melting down, he's attacking the SOURCE in a direct manner that doesn't require lining up anyone else to accomplish it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but like tariffs, I think the result will be down the line after multiple rounds of negotiations, and Im willing to let it play out and see what actually happens rather than call him a liberal with a hit and run message board post that ignores the reality of public perception and the potential for administrative and legislative corruption.

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As leader of the party, for better or worse, he can work with the leadership in both houses to repeal onerous regulations like Medicare and Medicaid, EMTALA and Obamacare. Until Medicare is repealed, direct his subordinates there to work towards re-examining their formulary to help with lower costs there. Also, as head of the head of the FDA, he can get them more streamlined and efficient so as to not require $5-10B per new drug released as well as hold pharmaceutical companies more to task for real failures that cause actual harm. Actually pursuing possible criminal charges if a company knowingly hoodwinked them via data fudging.

That's a start that will help bring down costs for drugs.

Actually conservative principles as opposed to his usual, kneejerk liberalism.

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How many congressional votes do you think this congress will put forth to support ending Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare?

Again, libertarian wet dream fantasies. I'm 100% on board with you about what the problem and solution are. But the solution isn't possible. Literally no chance. Not even 25% of politicians would support that. So Trump either talks a big game and does nothing, or he uses his limited time to try something he can control.

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Fixing problems with the system caused by government interference with more government interference cannot ever be the solution. The only way it gets fixed is it collapses. Let it collapse.

Government enters the education market. It fails. The solution? Let's give parents a new entitlement that lets their kids enter the private school market with government dollars that will mess up that market too.

When the government screws something up, the solution is never more government just because the masses are addicted to freebies. Let the system collapse and start over.

At least the US drug oversight spared most of us from the thalidomide flipper babies that Europe had.







From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal

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In the late 1950s and early 1960s, the use of thalidomide in 46 countries was prescribed to women who were pregnant or who subsequently became pregnant, and consequently resulted in the "biggest anthropogenic medical disaster ever," with more than 10,000 children born with a range of severe deformities, such as phocomelia, as well as thousands of miscarriages.

Thalidomide was introduced in 1957 as a tranquilizer, and was later marketed by the German pharmaceutical company Chemie Grnenthal under the trade name Contergan as a medication for anxiety, trouble sleeping, tension, and morning sickness. It was introduced as a sedative and medication for morning sickness without having been tested on pregnant women.

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There were a few children born with thalidomide issues in the US because of free samples given to doctors:

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Although thalidomide was not approved for sale in the United States at the time, over 2.5 million tablets had been distributed to over 1,000 physicians during a clinical testing programme. It is estimated that nearly 20,000 patients, several hundred of whom were pregnant, were given the drug to help alleviate morning sickness or as a sedative, and at least 17 children were consequently born in the United States with thalidomide-associated deformities.

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FWIW. That tic tok is a bold lie. First of all the cnn article is from 2018 and the database in question is from Keiser Health. Mitt Romney is the only active member on that list and per the database referenced has only received 69,500 from 2007-2022.

Not that any amount is ok but let's quit with the tictok/x outrage posts. Posting false information here helps no one

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If this goes into effect and only impacts medicare/medicaid prices won't big pharma just charge people in America without medicare/medicaid even MORE?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Buy it from an insurance company if you want it. No exchanges. It should just be for catastrophic coverage. Not day to day medical care. That should be paid in cash by the customer.

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Sounds logical to me. If I buy my auto from Geico, why can't I buy Health from BCBS?
Why isn't this being done?
Everyone is petrified about losing their jobs not because of the wage, but because of the insurance.

My conspiracy theory is that the scumbag CEOs of America conspired to add this as a perk and make it so expensive that people are forced to work for them to get an endless supply if slaves. This was before they figured out that they would use H1Bs from India as slaves. Now they have too many slaves and not enough work.

Health insurance costs are still a big unknown. If it is decoupled from employment then many more people will quit rather than work a toxic job.

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Tom Fox said:

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Buy it from an insurance company if you want it. No exchanges. It should just be for catastrophic coverage. Not day to day medical care. That should be paid in cash by the customer.

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Sounds logical to me. If I buy my auto from Geico, why can't I buy Health from BCBS?
Why isn't this being done?
Everyone is petrified about losing their jobs not because of the wage, but because of the insurance.

My conspiracy theory is that the scumbag CEOs of America conspired to add this as a perk and make it so expensive that people are forced to work for them to get an endless supply if slaves. This was before they figured out that they would use H1Bs from India as slaves. Now they have too many slaves and not enough work.

Health insurance costs are still a big unknown. If it is decoupled from employment then many more people will quit rather than work a toxic job.

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I think you are correct on corporate motivations for coupling health insurance with employment, but you can buy health insurance and be self employed. It is certainly more expensive, but I have found the quality of option to be pretty good.

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FWIW. That tic tok is a bold lie. First of all the cnn article is from 2018 and the database in question is from Keiser Health. Mitt Romney is the only active member on that list and per the database referenced has only received 69,500 from 2007-2022.

Not that any amount is ok but let's quit with the tictok/x outrage posts. Posting false information here helps no one

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If this goes into effect and only impacts medicare/medicaid prices won't big pharma just charge people in America without medicare/medicaid even MORE?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Not sure if its a law or whatever but with my insurance you can appeal any claim and they have to compare the cost of the drug/procedure to a medicare/medicade cash cost and take the lowest of the two for the customer. Thats for both in network and especially out of network claims.