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do you defenders of Massie say the same thing about Murkowski in Alaska and Kelly Ayotte in NH during SCOTUS nominations?

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I defend people that act like conservatives. Let me know when either of those goes against the party in a conservative way!

99% of the time Massie goes against the party, its because the GOP is doing RINO stuff!

Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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Quite a few in congress have a background of "lawyer." That doesn't seem to be working out, so perhaps nurse and prison guard, tanning bed operator, dental hygienist, or lunch lady would be worth a shot.

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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What policy does Massie/Paul support that you don't believe is conservative? Who is more conservative than them?

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/thomas-massie

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/rand-paul

I actually wasn’t invited to the White House lunch today, but that’s ok I had a previously scheduled Liberty Caucus Lunch with ⁦@MassieforKY⁩ pic.twitter.com/7IHoQiZ3OR

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 21, 2025

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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What policy does Massie/Paul support that you don't believe is conservative? Who is more conservative than them?

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/thomas-massie

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/rand-paul

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See post above. How is an elected representative achieving the results desired by their constituents when they are unable and unwilling to work with others in their party to achieve common objectives?

So who gives a flip what their liberty score is. Glenn Beck and friends are not exactly the most stable members on the right side of the aisle.

Massie and Paul may represent your ultimate conservative ideals and Blaze Media may be your source for all news.

Its not my cup of tea. And I can assure you Massie and Paul do NOT have a winning platform. As such, they can sit at the children's table and talk about how much money they will save by hamstringing Trump's agenda and voting with Democrats.

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I actually wasn’t invited to the White House lunch today, but that’s ok I had a previously scheduled Liberty Caucus Lunch with ⁦@MassieforKY⁩ pic.twitter.com/7IHoQiZ3OR

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 21, 2025

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Did Cornyn leave them some leftover brisket? Or did Schumer and Nance order in lunch for them to show appreciation for their support of the DNC?

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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What policy does Massie/Paul support that you don't believe is conservative? Who is more conservative than them?

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/thomas-massie

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/rand-paul

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See post above. How is an elected representative achieving the results desired by their constituents when they are unable and unwilling to work with others in their party to achieve common objectives?

So who gives a flip what their liberty score is. Glenn Beck and friends are not exactly the most stable members on the right side of the aisle.

Massie and Paul may represent your ultimate conservative ideals and Blaze Media may be your source for all news.

Its not my cup of tea. And I can assure you Massie and Paul do NOT have a winning platform. As such, they can sit at the children's table and talk about how much money they will save by hamstringing Trump's agenda and voting with Democrats.

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Gotcha, so real conservatives work with the Uniparty instead of against it. We need more Lindsey Grahams and Cornyns and less Pauls/Massies

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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I have disagreed strongly with Massie on the 10% of the time that I disagree with him.

But I find him to be honest and fair. Even if he is a thorn in the side of the President at times.

I would vote for him.

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Gotcha, so real conservatives work with the Uniparty instead of against it. We need more Lindsey Grahams and Cornyns and less Pauls/Massies

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Sure.

Because nothing says Uniparty like sticking together to pass a clean CR and standing in lock step with the leader of the party to achieve goals that benefit the people who voted for them, to be honest, benefit all Americans the most. And standing together to tell the OPPOSING party to get bent, instead of having a weird lunch date where you discuss things no one wants. So principled.

I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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Where have your "conservative ideals" gotten us so far?

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Gotcha, so real conservatives work with the Uniparty instead of against it. We need more Lindsey Grahams and Cornyns and less Pauls/Massies

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Sure.

Because nothing says Uniparty like sticking together to pass a clean CR and standing in lock step with the leader of the party to achieve goals that benefit the people who voted for them, to be honest, benefit all Americans the most. And standing together to tell the OPPOSING party to get bent, instead of having a weird lunch date where you discuss things no one wants. So principled.

I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Lol more like so they can work together to spend our money, print our dollar's value away, and infringe upon our rights with no consequences.

Also the people of Kentucky seem to think they're being represented well by Paul/Massie seeing as they keep being re-elected with 70% of the vote.

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Gotcha, so real conservatives work with the Uniparty instead of against it. We need more Lindsey Grahams and Cornyns and less Pauls/Massies

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Sure.

Because nothing says Uniparty like sticking together to pass a clean CR and standing in lock step with the leader of the party to achieve goals that benefit the people who voted for them, to be honest, benefit all Americans the most. And standing together to tell the OPPOSING party to get bent, instead of having a weird lunch date where you discuss things no one wants. So principled.

I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Lol more like so they can work together to spend our money, print our dollar's value away, and infringe upon our rights with no consequences.

Also the people of Kentucky seem to think they're being represented well by Paul/Massie seeing as they keep being re-elected with 70% of the vote.

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Not sure I am going to hang my hat on the intelligentsia of Kentucky as the key to American exceptionalism.

Just not sure how Massie and Rand voting with the Dems these days is helping America. But if you think they are, then donate to their campaigns, volunteer to canvas.

Or love them because they have unattainable ideals and MTG like obsessions.

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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Where have your "conservative ideals" gotten us so far?

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Checks stock market… record highs. Checks border… closed. Checks arresting criminal illegals… half a million and counting. Checks restoring pride and dignity to our military… keep trucking Hegseth. Checks DOGE cuts… in progress and awaiting further rescissions. Checks putting American interests above the interests of other countries who are not our friend… so much winning.

So the MAGA doctrine is pure win these days. Not so much the Massie Paul doctrine.

What is being conserved? Nothing. The average conservative today is less conservative than a liberal of 40 years ago. The only thing they conserve is the left's legacy agenda and sometimes the GDP.

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I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Actually, if that happened, we'd be better off as nothing would ever get passed/done.

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I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Actually, if that happened, we'd be better off as nothing would ever get passed/done.

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Sure, why not. I am perfectly fine with disbanding the legislature as it really is not serving its function or duty.

To fix it would require term limits, severe campaign finance reform, criminalize lobbying, and put sunset provisions on all agencies and legislation. Maybe add in failure to pass a balanced budget automatically ends that term of congress and new elections are to be held within 90 days. Any current member is ineligible to run again for 10 years as punishment for not doing their job.

At least it's a start.

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I guess in some world there is a belief that 100 senators and 435 congressfolk should all stick to their individual agendas with no compromise.

That should work out well.

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Actually, if that happened, we'd be better off as nothing would ever get passed/done.

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Sure, why not. I am perfectly fine with disbanding the legislature as it really is not serving its function or duty.

To fix it would require term limits, severe campaign finance reform, criminalize lobbying, and put sunset provisions on all agencies and legislation. Maybe add in failure to pass a balanced budget automatically ends that term of congress and new elections are to be held within 90 days. Any current member is ineligible to run again for 10 years as punishment for not doing their job.

At least it's a start.

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Or a Martian attack.

Considering a Martian attack is more likely than what I propose, then I find myself supporting your position here.

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Massie does NOT represent conservative ideals. He is an antagonist, a protege of Randy Paul and nothing more.

If you think Randy is anything other than a ****stirrer, then you are simply not paying attention.

His trope has grown tired. Their bloviating is more akin to a No Kings rally than any attempt to spread "conservative" ideals.

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Where have your "conservative ideals" gotten us so far?

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Checks stock market… record highs. Checks border… closed. Checks arresting criminal illegals… half a million and counting. Checks restoring pride and dignity to our military… keep trucking Hegseth. Checks DOGE cuts… in progress and awaiting further rescissions. Checks putting American interests above the interests of other countries who are not our friend… so much winning.

So the MAGA doctrine is pure win these days. Not so much the Massie Paul doctrine.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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Well, you are either with Trump or you are against him. They are against him. So yes they are against those things because they will not play on the team working to achieve those things. There in lies the problem.

If the Massie Paul doctrine had wings it still wouldn't fly. It's two lonely penguins wandering in circles secretly wishing they were eagles and pretending they are the two best dressed birds congratulating themselves on their excellent waddling singing about how flying is "for the birds".

Wake me when "the liberty caucus" consist of two mean who dress each other in the morning.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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Well, you are either with Trump or you are against him. They are against him. So yes they are against those things because they will not play on the team working to achieve those things. There in lies the problem.

If the Massie Paul doctrine had wings it still wouldn't fly. It's two lonely penguins wandering in circles secretly wishing they were eagles and pretending they are the two best dressed birds congratulating themselves on their excellent waddling singing about how flying is "for the birds".

Wake me when "the liberty caucus" consist of two mean who dress each other in the morning.

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Trump is either for conservative principles, or he's for Trump. That extends to spending, Going along with non-conservatives is why we're in this mess today.

Trump is a fiscal liberal. He's a NY Democrat, from yesterdecade.

Better than Biden/Harris, but that's a loooooow bar.

GM pic.twitter.com/Xrb4Hs5lOA

— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) October 21, 2025

Seeming fitting. Massie is a libertarian who votes D.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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Well, you are either with Trump or you are against him. They are against him. So yes they are against those things because they will not play on the team working to achieve those things. There in lies the problem.

If the Massie Paul doctrine had wings it still wouldn't fly. It's two lonely penguins wandering in circles secretly wishing they were eagles and pretending they are the two best dressed birds congratulating themselves on their excellent waddling singing about how flying is "for the birds".

Wake me when "the liberty caucus" consist of two mean who dress each other in the morning.

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What do you mean by "you are with Trump or you are against him" mean? That language isn't really surprising here, but still disturbing nonetheless.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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Well, you are either with Trump or you are against him. They are against him. So yes they are against those things because they will not play on the team working to achieve those things. There in lies the problem.

If the Massie Paul doctrine had wings it still wouldn't fly. It's two lonely penguins wandering in circles secretly wishing they were eagles and pretending they are the two best dressed birds congratulating themselves on their excellent waddling singing about how flying is "for the birds".

Wake me when "the liberty caucus" consist of two mean who dress each other in the morning.

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What do you mean by "you are with Trump or you are against him" mean? That language isn't really surprising here, but still disturbing nonetheless.

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Saying if you are not for someone then you are against them is quite normal language. What alternate conclusion are you jumping to? If it's disturbing, then a fantasy of your own creation, not mine.

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So Massie and Paul are against closed borders, a strong military, and spending cuts? Who knew.

Your pure winning hasn't done a damn thing to reduce deficit spending or the debt. Fiscally Trump and company are every bit as bad as Democrats. We could use some Massie Paul doctrine about now. We need fiscal sanity a lot more than we need two more sheep.

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Well, you are either with Trump or you are against him. They are against him. So yes they are against those things because they will not play on the team working to achieve those things. There in lies the problem.

If the Massie Paul doctrine had wings it still wouldn't fly. It's two lonely penguins wandering in circles secretly wishing they were eagles and pretending they are the two best dressed birds congratulating themselves on their excellent waddling singing about how flying is "for the birds".

Wake me when "the liberty caucus" consist of two mean who dress each other in the morning.

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What do you mean by "you are with Trump or you are against him" mean? That language isn't really surprising here, but still disturbing nonetheless.

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Saying if you are not for someone then you are against them is quite normal language. What alternate conclusion are you jumping to? If it's disturbing, then a fantasy of your own creation, not mine.

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I'm familiar with the phrase. It's been around a while. I believe Jesus used it first to describe the level of commitment for his followers that saw him (rightfully so) as God.

Which is why I find it disturbing that someone would require that same unwavering, unquestioning level of commitment to a president. It almost makes it sound like he is viewed as a type of god-like man.

Okay, but this is the politics board. Not the religious one.

And Trump is a lot more like Jesus than people want to admit.

I stand with Jesus and Trump.

Massie LITERALLY voted with the most left wing democrats just a few months ago and was the only "Republican" to do so!!

Ed Gallrein, a former Navy SEAL and fifth-generation Kentucky farmer, launched his bid on Tuesday to unseat Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) after being urged by President Donald Trump to challenge the renegade, anti-Israel congressman in the GOP primary.

Gallrein's campaign launch comes four days after Trump declared that the Kentucky native was his preferred candidate to take on Massie, whom Trump had soured on over his growing antagonism towards Trump's agenda. Massie was one of the only congressional Republicans to oppose Trump's landmark "big, beautiful" spending bill and has worked with Democrats to force a floor vote to release Justice Department documents on Jeffrey Epstein.

"I've dedicated my life to serving my country, and I'm ready to answer the call again. This district is Trump Country," Gallrein said. "The President doesn't need obstacles in Congress he needs backup. I'll defeat Thomas Massie, stand shoulder to shoulder with President Trump, and deliver the America First results Kentuckians voted for."

"Thomas Massie has become one of the biggest roadblocks to President Trump's America First agenda," he added. "When Trump fought for historic tax cuts, Massie voted no. When Trump tried to fully fund border security, Massie stood in the way. President Trump endorsed me because Kentuckians deserve a Congressman who will stand with our President, not against him."

Massie is also a frequent opponent of U.S. support for Israel and legislation to combat antisemitism. The president's allies recently launched a $1 million ad blitz against Massie, the opening salvo of the Trump-backed effort to unseat the lawmaker, who has swatted down previous primary challenges.

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Massie LITERALLY voted with the most left wing democrats just a few months ago and was the only "Republican" to do so!!

Ed Gallrein, a former Navy SEAL and fifth-generation Kentucky farmer, launched his bid on Tuesday to unseat Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) after being urged by President Donald Trump to challenge the renegade, anti-Israel congressman in the GOP primary.

Gallrein's campaign launch comes four days after Trump declared that the Kentucky native was his preferred candidate to take on Massie, whom Trump had soured on over his growing antagonism towards Trump's agenda. Massie was one of the only congressional Republicans to oppose Trump's landmark "big, beautiful" spending bill and has worked with Democrats to force a floor vote to release Justice Department documents on Jeffrey Epstein.

"I've dedicated my life to serving my country, and I'm ready to answer the call again. This district is Trump Country," Gallrein said. "The President doesn't need obstacles in Congress he needs backup. I'll defeat Thomas Massie, stand shoulder to shoulder with President Trump, and deliver the America First results Kentuckians voted for."

"Thomas Massie has become one of the biggest roadblocks to President Trump's America First agenda," he added. "When Trump fought for historic tax cuts, Massie voted no. When Trump tried to fully fund border security, Massie stood in the way. President Trump endorsed me because Kentuckians deserve a Congressman who will stand with our President, not against him."

Massie is also a frequent opponent of U.S. support for Israel and legislation to combat antisemitism. The president's allies recently launched a $1 million ad blitz against Massie, the opening salvo of the Trump-backed effort to unseat the lawmaker, who has swatted down previous primary challenges.

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You talking about the spending bill? Maybe the GOP shouldn't spend so much of our money when we're $37T in debt. I get olds won't live long enough to worry about the collapse of our dollar but I can appreciate a politician choosing to be against subsidizing the present at the cost of our future.

Here's another bill from a month ago, can't imagine those left wing Democrats you mentioned support this one, but I wonder why there's no support from other so-called "Conservatives".

I just introduced HR 5302, the No Funds for Foreign Abortions Act. The bill prevents federal funds from going to foreign governments that subsidize or promote abortions.

Foreign countries that spend money to kill unborn children should not receive our tax dollars. pic.twitter.com/LHuWUOdEfR

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 11, 2025

Trump reinstated the Mexico Cory Policy in January and expanded it in his first term.

Seems as though Trump may be more conservative than Massie on this since he got it done and pushed for more.

More bloviating by Massie and wanting to pass symbolic gestures redundant with policy.

Massie wants to codify Mexico City, but even village idiots know there is not popular support.

So should we allow Massie to make this an issue for Rs in 2026? If he wants Rs to lose. But dammit he will have his principles.

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Trump reinstated the Mexico Cory Policy in January and expanded it in his first term.

Seems as though Trump may be more conservative than Massie on this since he got it done and pushed for more.

More bloviating by Massie and wanting to pass symbolic gestures redundant with policy.

Massie wants to codify Mexico City, but even village idiots know there is not popular support.

So should we allow Massie to make this an issue for Rs in 2026? If he wants Rs to lose. But dammit he will have his principles.

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Or he wants to codify it while the Republicans have the power to do so, if another Dim gets elected in 2028 and drops it like Obama and Biden did we can thank the Republicans for sitting on their hands like usual. Good to know you're fine with playing political games with the lives of unborn children though.

Yea, and there is not anywhere close to majority support for such codification.

You want foreign aid for abortions, vote D. You want a prohibition, vote R.

Massie pushing this is unserious bloviating. People of Kentucky deserve better than quixotic windmill tiltera who vote with the Dems when it counts.

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Yea, and there is not anywhere close to majority support for such codification.

You want foreign aid for abortions, vote D. You want a prohibition, vote R.

Massie pushing this is unserious bloviating. People of Kentucky deserve better than quixotic windmill tiltera who vote with the Dems when it counts.

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Loser mentality, no wonder the GOP has a reputation as the party of losers. "We could save the lives of unborn children but we're too scared to try"