DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?
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Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.
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techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

I think the update was that Suzy Wiles at the Epstein List.
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techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.
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docb said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.

What is it you think Trump is guilty of here?
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flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.

What is it you think Trump is guilty of here?


Utilizing the services that Epstein was providing. Too many photos of him with Epstein and Maxwell to make me believe otherwise. Whether it is proved or not I don't care because I am convinced.
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docb said:

flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.

What is it you think Trump is guilty of here?


Utilizing the services that Epstein was providing. Too many photos of him with Epstein and Maxwell to make me believe otherwise. Whether it is proved or not I don't care because I am convinced.

And right here folks is why any and all release of the "Epstein files" simply does not matter. Folks have made their conclusions of guilt based on their "perceptions" of people they do not know that has been presented to them over the years by vile, lying media trying to convince you Trump is a Russian spy kid diddler.

Thanks for validating that Trump again was right that there is no need to release anything else because people will just jump to whatever poor conclusion suits their narrative because someone was captured in a pic with other wealthy people at a party for wealthy people.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?


She's not contradicting the president? So Trump never claimed Clinton went to the island?
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flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.

What is it you think Trump is guilty of here?


Utilizing the services that Epstein was providing. Too many photos of him with Epstein and Maxwell to make me believe otherwise. Whether it is proved or not I don't care because I am convinced.

And right here folks is why any and all release of the "Epstein files" simply does not matter. Folks have made their conclusions of guilt based on their "perceptions" of people they do not know that has been presented to them over the years by vile, lying media trying to convince you Trump is a Russian spy kid diddler.

Thanks for validating that Trump again was right that there is no need to release anything else because people will just jump to whatever poor conclusion suits their narrative because someone was captured in a pic with other wealthy people at a party for wealthy people.

And just how do you know that he is innocent? We will never know but you trying to blast everyone wanting to know answers or thinking he is guilty is nothing more than pure stupidity on your part. You are just a follower and not capable of making rationale judgements.
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Innocent until proven guilty
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docb said:

And just how do you know that he is innocent? We will never know but you trying to blast everyone wanting to know answers or thinking he is guilty is nothing more than pure stupidity on your part. You are just a follower and not capable of making rationale judgements.

You think someone is a pedo because they were photographed with someone at parties that had nothing to do with pedos or sex or anything of the like.

Yep, much stupidity on my part. Just a follower, not capable of rationale judgements.
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PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?


She's not contradicting the president? So Trump never claimed Clinton went to the island?

Trump bloviating about whether or not Clinton went there is one thing. There not being anything to date showing Clinton went to the island is another thing. Point is, Clinton not being shown as going to the island is not new information at all.

So yea, its a regurgitation. But I will give you the point that what she says and what Trump has long accused are contradictory, but if that is what gets your "noggin joggin" then maybe it needs a more regular workout.
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flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

And just how do you know that he is innocent? We will never know but you trying to blast everyone wanting to know answers or thinking he is guilty is nothing more than pure stupidity on your part. You are just a follower and not capable of making rationale judgements.

You think someone is a pedo because they were photographed with someone at parties that had nothing to do with pedos or sex or anything of the like.

Yep, much stupidity on my part. Just a follower, not capable of rationale judgements.

Just curious. Have you ever palled around with a pedophile?
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docb said:

flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

And just how do you know that he is innocent? We will never know but you trying to blast everyone wanting to know answers or thinking he is guilty is nothing more than pure stupidity on your part. You are just a follower and not capable of making rationale judgements.

You think someone is a pedo because they were photographed with someone at parties that had nothing to do with pedos or sex or anything of the like.

Yep, much stupidity on my part. Just a follower, not capable of rationale judgements.

Just curious. Have you ever palled around with a pedophile?

Yes. My brother turned out to be one. Shall I burn all our family photos to ensure docb doesn't go around saying I am one as well?

You may want to reconsider where you want this to go. Your take is a poor one and completely asinine.
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flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

And just how do you know that he is innocent? We will never know but you trying to blast everyone wanting to know answers or thinking he is guilty is nothing more than pure stupidity on your part. You are just a follower and not capable of making rationale judgements.

You think someone is a pedo because they were photographed with someone at parties that had nothing to do with pedos or sex or anything of the like.

Yep, much stupidity on my part. Just a follower, not capable of rationale judgements.

Just curious. Have you ever palled around with a pedophile?

Yes. My brother turned out to be one. Shall I burn all our family photos to ensure docb doesn't go around saying I am one as well?

You may want to reconsider where you want this to go. Your take is a poor one and completely asinine.

Really no more than your take that proves innocence.
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flown-the-coop said:

docb said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.

They will never get Trump for this. Doesn't mean that he is not guilty. Or that Clinton is not guilty. They are both slimeballs.

What is it you think Trump is guilty of here?

at a minimum, trying to cover everything up. he's worked extremely hard stonewalling transparency on epstein the last six months after campaigning aggressively on it. he only changed his tune when it became clear he lost his grip on congressional republicans and wanted to save face without appearing like he was being defied.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?


She's not contradicting the president? So Trump never claimed Clinton went to the island?

Trump bloviating about whether or not Clinton went there is one thing. There not being anything to date showing Clinton went to the island is another thing. Point is, Clinton not being shown as going to the island is not new information at all.

So yea, its a regurgitation. But I will give you the point that what she says and what Trump has long accused are contradictory, but if that is what gets your "noggin joggin" then maybe it needs a more regular workout.


So yes, the Chief of Staff is contradicting claims made by the president.
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techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.
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PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?


She's not contradicting the president? So Trump never claimed Clinton went to the island?

Trump bloviating about whether or not Clinton went there is one thing. There not being anything to date showing Clinton went to the island is another thing. Point is, Clinton not being shown as going to the island is not new information at all.

So yea, its a regurgitation. But I will give you the point that what she says and what Trump has long accused are contradictory, but if that is what gets your "noggin joggin" then maybe it needs a more regular workout.


So yes, the Chief of Staff is contradicting claims made by the president.

So? Keep trying. You may finally get him tomorrow.
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PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.

May want to grab some paper towels and cover your keyboard before you read things that will surely make you feel all tingly. What a sad think to obsess over for months on end now.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:



Really gets the noggin joggin

Edit: Why is the chief of staff contradicting the president?

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/16/trump-epstein-files-clinton-susie-wiles-interview

she's not. there has never been any evidence Clinton went to Epstein Island. Hell, I posted that just a couple pages back before anything related to Wiles came out.

You libs ever tire of regurgitating old news?


She's not contradicting the president? So Trump never claimed Clinton went to the island?

Trump bloviating about whether or not Clinton went there is one thing. There not being anything to date showing Clinton went to the island is another thing. Point is, Clinton not being shown as going to the island is not new information at all.

So yea, its a regurgitation. But I will give you the point that what she says and what Trump has long accused are contradictory, but if that is what gets your "noggin joggin" then maybe it needs a more regular workout.


So yes, the Chief of Staff is contradicting claims made by the president.

So? Keep trying. You may finally get him tomorrow.


I'm not trying anything, just posting Epstein news in the Epstein thread. Why does this upset you?
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.

May want to grab some paper towels and cover your keyboard before you read things that will surely make you feel all tingly. What a sad think to obsess over for months on end now.


What an odd thing to say. I thought you supported the release of the files?
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Edit: good to see bureaucrats in DC having to actually work for once
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absolutely stunning that people think anything is in there that would "get Trump". If they had incontrovertible evidence of any wrong doing it would have been jogged out just aft the sleepy joe inauguration.

I have no doubt there are people on both sides of the aisle that would go down from somethings in those files. Just don't think one of them would be Trump.
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PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.

May want to grab some paper towels and cover your keyboard before you read things that will surely make you feel all tingly. What a sad think to obsess over for months on end now.


What an odd thing to say. I thought you supported the release of the files?

Your obsession has been duly noted over and over again.

Files have been released. What exactly are you thinking will be revealed tomorrow?

I have absolutely 100% supported releasing every file. Where are you getting that has changed?

But as with docb, folks have their minds made up Trump is a pedo and will point to any redaction, even ones they put on the files themselves, as PROOF Trump is a pedo. Hell, docb says if you ever had your picture taken with someone who later turns out to be a pedo, it makes you a pedo too.

I think your obsession is sad, frankly bizarre. But it doesn't upset me. But as any lib does, you cannot help but project your feelings on others.

Enjoy your files.

I see you are already adding fodder about redactions. Libs are predictable if anything.
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AgBQ-00 said:

absolutely stunning that people think anything is in there that would "get Trump". If they had incontrovertible evidence of any wrong doing it would have been jogged out just aft the sleepy joe inauguration.

I have no doubt there are people on both sides of the aisle that would go down from somethings in those files. Just don't think one of them would be Trump.


I agree, Trump would have been indicted years ago on this if anything was there. Its strange how he did everything he could to push the issue away though, all he had to do was direct Bondi in February to release the files, instead he cried hoax and threatened to primary people who pushed for the release.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.

May want to grab some paper towels and cover your keyboard before you read things that will surely make you feel all tingly. What a sad think to obsess over for months on end now.


What an odd thing to say. I thought you supported the release of the files?

Your obsession has been duly noted over and over again.

Files have been released. What exactly are you thinking will be revealed tomorrow?

I have absolutely 100% supported releasing every file. Where are you getting that has changed?

But as with docb, folks have their minds made up Trump is a pedo and will point to any redaction, even ones they put on the files themselves, as PROOF Trump is a pedo. Hell, docb says if you ever had your picture taken with someone who later turns out to be a pedo, it makes you a pedo too.

I think your obsession is sad, frankly bizarre. But it doesn't upset me. But as any lib does, you cannot help but project your feelings on others.

Enjoy your files.


what opinion do you think I hold that makes me a "liberal"?
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PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

Just checking in. Do they got im yet? No? Ok, carry on.




Deadline is tomorrow. Cant wait to pick up my favorite tabloid in the grocery checkout line showing Drumpf in jail and Kamala "Brat" Harris sworn in as Madame President.

May want to grab some paper towels and cover your keyboard before you read things that will surely make you feel all tingly. What a sad think to obsess over for months on end now.


What an odd thing to say. I thought you supported the release of the files?

Your obsession has been duly noted over and over again.

Files have been released. What exactly are you thinking will be revealed tomorrow?

I have absolutely 100% supported releasing every file. Where are you getting that has changed?

But as with docb, folks have their minds made up Trump is a pedo and will point to any redaction, even ones they put on the files themselves, as PROOF Trump is a pedo. Hell, docb says if you ever had your picture taken with someone who later turns out to be a pedo, it makes you a pedo too.

I think your obsession is sad, frankly bizarre. But it doesn't upset me. But as any lib does, you cannot help but project your feelings on others.

Enjoy your files.


what opinion do you think I hold that makes me a "liberal"?

You can use whatever label you like as long as it doesn't involve things such as informed, unbiased, critical thinking, logical reasoning, and the like.

As said, enjoy the files. I hope you find the release you seek for your pent up obsessions.
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Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.
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PaulsBunions said:

Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.

There was no ad hom. Use whatever label you desire, I just listed some that based on your posting, particularly on this topic of your obsession, would not appear to be good fits with said posting.

I don't know you. You supporting Massie on anything is enough to tell me that I would not be compatible in real life with such a person.

And your ******* right I am going to defend Trump. The TDS affliction around here is insane and has to be battled in some fashion.

People are so looney about Trump they think anyone who has ever had a picture taken with Epstein is a pedo. Your rhetoric aligns with that much more than it has ever been about the files.

Massies DNC sponsored bill which includes all the standard outs that previous calls for release of files have included, was somehow novel. So novel that what, everyone voted for it?

Trump and most mature adults know nothing is coming in whatever files continue to be released. Dems have proved that up with their redacted photos and emails. Guess what, tomorrow will be more of the same. Regurgitated information with new redactions trying to gin up a narrative.

Acting like a white knight saddling up to scum like Massie is a poor look. But people are free to align with whomever they want.
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.

There was no ad hom. Use whatever label you desire, I just listed some that based on your posting, particularly on this topic of your obsession, would not appear to be good fits with said posting.

I don't know you. You supporting Massie on anything is enough to tell me that I would not be compatible in real life with such a person.

And your ******* right I am going to defend Trump. The TDS affliction around here is insane and has to be battled in some fashion.

People are so looney about Trump they think anyone who has ever had a picture taken with Epstein is a pedo. Your rhetoric aligns with that much more than it has ever been about the files.

Massies DNC sponsored bill which includes all the standard outs that previous calls for release of files have included, was somehow novel. So novel that what, everyone voted for it?

Trump and most mature adults know nothing is coming in whatever files continue to be released. Dems have proved that up with their redacted photos and emails. Guess what, tomorrow will be more of the same. Regurgitated information with new redactions trying to gin up a narrative.

Acting like a white knight saddling up to scum like Massie is a poor look. But people are free to align with whomever they want.

You know this to be true because you know Trump has a cult army, you, waiting in wait to deflect literally any and all that could paint him or his admin in a negative light. Half of congress tried to stop it. He has his FBI clearly trying to stop it (oops! discharge passed, better have bondi magically reopen the investigation)

Trump has done everything in his power to prevent the release of these files. He's STILL doing everything he can and we'll see him do even more tomorrow through [as long as he possible can]

The adults here are the one's who see he's handled this about as oddly as possible for someone who is just so totally uninvolved with the issue.

We're all morons for expecting his involvement. Clearly. There's just simply no evidence, right?
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.

There was no ad hom. Use whatever label you desire, I just listed some that based on your posting, particularly on this topic of your obsession, would not appear to be good fits with said posting.

I don't know you. You supporting Massie on anything is enough to tell me that I would not be compatible in real life with such a person.

And your ******* right I am going to defend Trump. The TDS affliction around here is insane and has to be battled in some fashion.

People are so looney about Trump they think anyone who has ever had a picture taken with Epstein is a pedo. Your rhetoric aligns with that much more than it has ever been about the files.

Massies DNC sponsored bill which includes all the standard outs that previous calls for release of files have included, was somehow novel. So novel that what, everyone voted for it?

Trump and most mature adults know nothing is coming in whatever files continue to be released. Dems have proved that up with their redacted photos and emails. Guess what, tomorrow will be more of the same. Regurgitated information with new redactions trying to gin up a narrative.

Acting like a white knight saddling up to scum like Massie is a poor look. But people are free to align with whomever they want.


So is there no legitimate criticism of Trump over how he handled the Epstein issue? Or is it all TDS? What exactly makes Massie "scum"?
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ETFan said:

flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.

There was no ad hom. Use whatever label you desire, I just listed some that based on your posting, particularly on this topic of your obsession, would not appear to be good fits with said posting.

I don't know you. You supporting Massie on anything is enough to tell me that I would not be compatible in real life with such a person.

And your ******* right I am going to defend Trump. The TDS affliction around here is insane and has to be battled in some fashion.

People are so looney about Trump they think anyone who has ever had a picture taken with Epstein is a pedo. Your rhetoric aligns with that much more than it has ever been about the files.

Massies DNC sponsored bill which includes all the standard outs that previous calls for release of files have included, was somehow novel. So novel that what, everyone voted for it?

Trump and most mature adults know nothing is coming in whatever files continue to be released. Dems have proved that up with their redacted photos and emails. Guess what, tomorrow will be more of the same. Regurgitated information with new redactions trying to gin up a narrative.

Acting like a white knight saddling up to scum like Massie is a poor look. But people are free to align with whomever they want.

You know this to be true because you know Trump has a cult army, you, waiting in wait to deflect literally any and all that could paint him or his admin in a negative light. Half of congress tried to stop it. He has his FBI clearly trying to stop it (oops! discharge passed, better have bondi magically reopen the investigation)

Trump has done everything in his power to prevent the release of these files. He's STILL doing everything he can and we'll see him do even more tomorrow through [as long as he possible can]

The adults here are the one's who see he's handled this about as oddly as possible for someone who is just so totally uninvolved with the issue.

We're all morons for expecting his involvement. Clearly. There's just simply no evidence, right?
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flown-the-coop said:

PaulsBunions said:

Nice ad hominem. We both wanted the release of the files which Massie accomplished despite Trump's best efforts, but curiously you hold some animosity towards me. Guess you have to have some animosity as motivation when you play full court press against anybody remotely critical of this administration.

There was no ad hom. Use whatever label you desire, I just listed some that based on your posting, particularly on this topic of your obsession, would not appear to be good fits with said posting.

I don't know you. You supporting Massie on anything is enough to tell me that I would not be compatible in real life with such a person.

And your ******* right I am going to defend Trump. The TDS affliction around here is insane and has to be battled in some fashion.

People are so looney about Trump they think anyone who has ever had a picture taken with Epstein is a pedo. Your rhetoric aligns with that much more than it has ever been about the files.

Massies DNC sponsored bill which includes all the standard outs that previous calls for release of files have included, was somehow novel. So novel that what, everyone voted for it?

Trump and most mature adults know nothing is coming in whatever files continue to be released. Dems have proved that up with their redacted photos and emails. Guess what, tomorrow will be more of the same. Regurgitated information with new redactions trying to gin up a narrative.

Acting like a white knight saddling up to scum like Massie is a poor look. But people are free to align with whomever they want.

Everyone ITT is just being so unfair to trump.

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PaulsBunions said:


So is there no legitimate criticism of Trump over how he handled the Epstein issue? Or is it all TDS? What exactly makes Massie "scum"?

Start a Massie is scum thread and I and others will be glad to educate you.

I think Bondi and company got a little over their skills and all, including Trump, poorly handled the explanation of the lack of anything substantive (and releasable) was in the "Epstein files". I said as such months ago. You can go find it.

Massie is scum for siding with the Dems to create a wedge issue because he is mad Trump says mean things about he and his friend Randy.

Do you really think Massie is doing this for anything other than name rec, clicks and donations? Surely you can see that is all he cares about here.
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