DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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flown-the-coop said:

One of the victims served time for perjury. If you want to attach that case along Epstein, as I said in my first or second response the Franklin Credit Union comparison, it does more to undermine the conspiracy of a coverup than it does to support it.

People should be presented with the information. You said supported by victims testimonies but leave out one of the main ones was convicted of multiple counts of perjury. And yes I am aware she did a podcast saying she was manipulated and forced and this or that.

I am for more information, not less.

And it can be quite dangerous to let conspiracy theories run wild. The 'Satanic panic' of the 1980's ruined countless lives and set investigation, prosecution and punishment of child sex offenders back decades due to the thousands upon thousands of unsubstantiated often disproven allegations.

So a word of caution in hunting under every rock for grand Epstein conspiracies. Some may turn out to be very legit, others will turn out to be figments of imaginations.

#WeBelieveHer #MeToo
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flown-the-coop said:

One of the victims served time for perjury. If you want to attach that case along Epstein, as I said in my first or second response the Franklin Credit Union comparison, it does more to undermine the conspiracy of a coverup than it does to support it.

People should be presented with the information. You said supported by victims testimonies but leave out one of the main ones was convicted of multiple counts of perjury. And yes I am aware she did a podcast saying she was manipulated and forced and this or that.

I am for more information, not less.

And it can be quite dangerous to let conspiracy theories run wild. The 'Satanic panic' of the 1980's ruined countless lives and set investigation, prosecution and punishment of child sex offenders back decades due to the thousands upon thousands of unsubstantiated often disproven allegations.

So a word of caution in hunting under every rock for grand Epstein conspiracies. Some may turn out to be very legit, others will turn out to be figments of imaginations.

one of several victims or witnesses who said this...not to mention the main private investigator for the case dying mysteriously as his plane disintegrated for unknown reasons.

It just seems completely out of the realm of possibility for you that the government would proactively cover up a deep state conspiracy so they can continue similar operations today.
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Those are great examples of how these things get way overdone and end up hurting the folks that were supposed to be helped.

I don't want a damn thing covered up. But Salem witch trials over allegations of alligators and body dumping are equally unhelpful.

To be honest though, I still think a better use of time and resources is going after current rampant sex trafficking and child sex trafficking. Fortunately the Trump DoJ has also been focused on that problem.
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Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.
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flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.
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I hope they all get burned. Democrats, Republicans, foreigners, all of the slimy *******s involved in this pedophile crap.
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FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?
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I give it a meh, but will look into some of the references pointed out to see if some this holds water or not. Thought the summary was good and fair enough to share.

From Grok:

The query appears to refer to Whitney Webb's book One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein, Volume 2, which focuses on Epstein's networks, ties to figures like Ghislaine Maxwell and Leslie Wexner, and alleged connections to U.S. and Israeli intelligence operations, building on historical patterns of sexual blackmail and crime-intelligence alliances outlined in Volume 1.

Credibility assessments of the book (and Webb's work in general) are highly divided, often along ideological lines. Supporters praise it as a meticulously researched expos that compiles public records, court documents, and historical scandals into a cohesive narrative, with thousands of footnotes allowing for verification. 4 It highlights circumstantial evidence, such as Epstein's unexplained wealth, protection from prosecution (e.g., the 2008 plea deal), and associations with intelligence-linked individuals, framing him as part of a broader system rather than an isolated predator. 23 The book has no recorded defamation lawsuits despite naming powerful figures, which some see as a point in its favor, and it draws from established facts like CIA-mob collaborations and past blackmail operations. 24 On platforms like Goodreads and Audible, it averages around 3.7-4.0 stars, with readers calling it an "encyclopedic guide" to elite corruption.

6 Critics, however, label it as conspiracy theory territory, arguing that it relies heavily on inference, pattern recognition, and loose associations without "smoking gun" proof for claims like direct state sponsorship of Epstein's activities. 24 Some point to factual errors, such as misrepresentations of timelines (e.g., details around Epstein associate Alfredo Rodriguez's death) or exaggerated links to scandals like Iran-Contra and BCCI. 23 Webb's narrative is accused of being disjointed, overwhelming, and biased toward an anti-establishment worldview that interprets gaps in evidence as deliberate cover-ups, potentially leading to apophenia (seeing patterns where none exist). 24 Her background in independent media (e.g., MintPress News, Unlimited Hangout) and publication by Trine Daya press known for fringe topicslacks the rigorous fact-checking of mainstream outlets, contributing to its dismissal by academics and major media. 24 Additionally, some critiques highlight undertones of antisemitic tropes in discussions of Israeli influence or "Jewish-led cabals," though defenders counter that these are based on documented ties (e.g., Robert Maxwell's Mossad links) rather than prejudice. 23 Discussions on X and Reddit often reflect this split, with one user noting its "exhaustive detailed" nature in connecting Epstein to court records, while others call it "making stuff up." 0 7


Overall, Volume 2 offers a provocative synthesis that's valuable for exploring under-reported angles on Epstein but isn't considered authoritative history by mainstream standards due to its speculative elements and lack of falsifiability. If you're inclined toward skepticism of official narratives, it may seem credible; otherwise, cross-reference its claims with primary sources for balance.
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flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


I don't think a useful idiot is this protected.
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Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new
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FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...
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Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


Sure.
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docb said:

I hope they all get burned. Democrats, Republicans, foreigners, all of the slimy *******s involved in this pedophile crap.


This is what we should all be hoping for but it definitely wont be happening this administration. They've already lost all credibility in this matter.
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FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


Sure.

Well, it does have a real bias against Israel in it...

For example:

Quote:

In February 2025, the Palestine Laboratory Podcast, hosted by investigative journalist Antony Loewenstein of Drop Site News, was a finalist for the Melbourne Press Club's Quill Award for best podcast.

The PLP is an anti-Israel podcast...

There are a number of other examples...

They even gaslight that the BBC is pro-ISRAEL...which is amusing. And something a Palestinian propagandist would say...

So, it wouldn't surprise me that they post lots of stories linking Epstein to Israel and spying and evil *****..
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Tread carefully with anything you read on the internet!

Or in the news.
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Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


Sure.

Well, it does have a real bias against Israel in it...

For example:

Quote:

In February 2025, the Palestine Laboratory Podcast, hosted by investigative journalist Antony Loewenstein of Drop Site News, was a finalist for the Melbourne Press Club's Quill Award for best podcast.

The PLP is an anti-Israel podcast...

There are a number of other examples...

They even gaslight that the BBC is pro-ISRAEL...which is amusing. And something a Palestinian propagandist would say...

So, it wouldn't surprise me that they post lots of stories linking Epstein to Israel and spying and evil *****..



You can come to that conclusion, totally your right. Everyone has bias, including me and you.

My citing of that source and pushing Whitney Webb's book is to show that Epstein was not simply a pedophile, or just a useful tool of intelligence. He was as well connected as anyone in history, made lots of money in shady ways, and was a high level fixer on a global scale. The recently released document dump from the DOJ confirm several theories, and will continue to as they slow roll it so that we don't lose faith in our entire system of governance.
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Hey Julie, at least it was released. Everybody's been clamoring for "all the files to be released." Now we're finding private info like yours, records from Democrat donors, proof that Bill Clinton was super close to Epstein and all sorts of similar stuff. This is what many people said would happen but the Orange Man Bad crowd thought they really had him this time. Instead they got your private travel itinerary from 2019.
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Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


The thread that discusses literal time travel? Sure.
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techno-ag said:

PaulsBunions said:





Hey Julie, at least it was released. Everybody's been clamoring for "all the files to be released." Now we're finding private info like yours, records from Democrat donors, proof that Bill Clinton was super close to Epstein and all sorts of similar stuff. This is what many people said would happen but the Orange Man Bad crowd thought they really had him this time. Instead they got your private travel itinerary from 2019.


Its more notable that she's a journalist that was investigating Epstein at the time, its odd that the DOJ kept track of her itinerary in 2019. She's the one that broke the story on the 2008 sweetheart deal in Florida that Accosta made.
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How much more does Massie know than we do already? He's going after them all (Politicians and foreign governments) like he already has the Tiger by the tail.
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supposedly he has a list of names that he was going to read should the Act somehow fail. tbh i wish he would read them off anyway

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Ervin Burrell said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


The thread that discusses literal time travel? Sure.

I didn't say the Qanon thread was logical....
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Ag with kids said:

Ervin Burrell said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?


https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel/archive?sort=new


Interesting...

That makes the Qanon thread look logical...


The thread that discusses literal time travel? Sure.

I didn't say the Qanon thread was logical....

Disinformation is necessary.
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Please bring the Q back. That was the most entertaining thread ever. Between texags and TigerDroppings, I just knew Jesus was coming back.
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PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

PaulsBunions said:





Hey Julie, at least it was released. Everybody's been clamoring for "all the files to be released." Now we're finding private info like yours, records from Democrat donors, proof that Bill Clinton was super close to Epstein and all sorts of similar stuff. This is what many people said would happen but the Orange Man Bad crowd thought they really had him this time. Instead they got your private travel itinerary from 2019.


Its more notable that she's a journalist that was investigating Epstein at the time, its odd that the DOJ kept track of her itinerary in 2019. She's the one that broke the story on the 2008 sweetheart deal in Florida that Accosta made.


If she's meeting with sources then it helps the Fed build a timeline of people's whereabouts.
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bmks270 said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

PaulsBunions said:





Hey Julie, at least it was released. Everybody's been clamoring for "all the files to be released." Now we're finding private info like yours, records from Democrat donors, proof that Bill Clinton was super close to Epstein and all sorts of similar stuff. This is what many people said would happen but the Orange Man Bad crowd thought they really had him this time. Instead they got your private travel itinerary from 2019.


Its more notable that she's a journalist that was investigating Epstein at the time, its odd that the DOJ kept track of her itinerary in 2019. She's the one that broke the story on the 2008 sweetheart deal in Florida that Accosta made.


If she's meeting with sources then it helps the Fed build a timeline of people's whereabouts.




yes this explanation makes the most sense
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PaulsBunions said:

bmks270 said:

PaulsBunions said:

techno-ag said:

PaulsBunions said:





Hey Julie, at least it was released. Everybody's been clamoring for "all the files to be released." Now we're finding private info like yours, records from Democrat donors, proof that Bill Clinton was super close to Epstein and all sorts of similar stuff. This is what many people said would happen but the Orange Man Bad crowd thought they really had him this time. Instead they got your private travel itinerary from 2019.


Its more notable that she's a journalist that was investigating Epstein at the time, its odd that the DOJ kept track of her itinerary in 2019. She's the one that broke the story on the 2008 sweetheart deal in Florida that Accosta made.


If she's meeting with sources then it helps the Fed build a timeline of people's whereabouts.




yes this explanation makes the most sense
That's amazing. I guess she forgot all about that.
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Connection does not equal guilt***
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Connection does not equal guilt***

That looks a lot like Research Rabbit...
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Does not look reliable. Includes Hitler, Nixon and Saddam Hussein, but no mention of Jesus, the prophet Muhammad nor the Tooth Fairy.

Likely unreliable.
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Ag with kids said:

FWTXAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Highly improbable, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

I have become much more convinced that the intelligence agencies allow certain things to happen and even facilitates things at times. I don't think they have proven very adept at orchestrating things.

With Epstein I think it's more of a useful idiot relationship, but I am open to being convinced of more.

With what I have previously seen on the Franklin Credit Union, I am decidedly unconvinced of a grand conspiracy.


You should ChatGPT the cliff notes for One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2 - Whitney Webb
She cites all of her sources. You could also check-out Drop Site News who are reporting the facts pertaining to Epstein and his widespread connections for anyone who actually want to know what, not who, Epstein really was.

Epstein could get you in a room with the Queen of England, Putin, Clinton, Netanyahu, or any other world leader. He was not a patsy. That's why they are trying so hard to cover this up, the guy was a major cog in the geopolitical criminal enterprise.

Can you cite some EVIDENCE that he did this?

He was known to be close, personal friends with Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew is the only person other than Epstein and Maxwell who has faced actually ramifications of this.

Idk about Putin.

He was close friends with Clinton, that is very clear.

Ehud Barak and Epstein were close as well.

He was very clearly incredibly well connected and a person of strong influence.
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