DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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A theory on who killed him ( initials BB)

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DSqqf65Ec/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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Peter Attia's career as a mainstream health influencer is now over. He will have to go MAGA only. Tune into MAGA-CBS if you want to hear from the guy who prioritized a meeting with convicted sex offender Epstein over his child hovering near death.
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austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.

The tell is that the MSM is only talking about JE's sexcapades and that he's a pedo. Not about what he did for a living.
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David_Puddy said:

Haven't seen this posted but this might be the juiciest tidbit that Epstein may not really be dead. He had enough blackmail in all of these people to be able to negotiate a body double for all of this…



Epstein Files

THIS IS HUGE.

The individual who anonymously posted on 4Chan the morning of Epstein's death, August 10, 2019 claiming he witnessed weird happenings at the prison before Epstein's death has been identified in the Epstein files.

Roberto Grijalva, an officer at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York has been identified as the anonymous prison employee who posted on 4Chan claiming Epstein left his cell Friday evening shackled in a medical wheelchair while at the same time an unauthorized trip van arrived at the prison, which he believes took Epstein away the night BEFORE news broke of his death.

The day after Epstein's death, U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman of the SDNY opened a Grand Jury proceeding and subpoenaed 4Chan, Apple, AT&T and Citibank for records aiming to uncover Grijalva's identity following the anonymous 4Chan post.

Grijalva's name is not redacted on his bank records included in the SDNY subpoena response from Citibank for his 4Chan post, and ties to the same Prison Officer Roberto Grijalva whose statements were released as part of the prison's investigation into Epstein's death.

This is HUGE. We now have validation the 4Chan post from 8/10/2019 is a legitimate eyewitness account from an MCC prison officer that Epstein may have been switched out before news broke of his alleged suicide.

Roberto Grijalve needs to be put on 'suicide' watch, so that he doesn't accidently kill himself.
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FWTXAg said:

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merc said:

Im not ready to condemn and entire religion but these Zionists should be treated exactly the same as any other terrorist organization that has threatened our country. What a brood of vipers.


The religion is not the problem. The state and their corrupt leaders are the problem. They're not any better or worse than Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.

And we have no room to talk, look what we let our leaders get away with.
Heck, lots of our less intelligent residents even cheer on either side of this fake charade like we're playing Pinball or something.

I don't want to devolve into a discussion that is more appropriate for the Religion board.

There are modern Jews, Muslims and Christians who can get along with one another in the modern world. There are also groups within each that are intolerant. The most intolerant is Islam, without a doubt, and it has direct teachings to be intolerant. Many Jews are also taught that they are the chosen people/race, unlike Christianity. There are Christian Nationalists, but they are by far the smallest extremist group of any religion. IMHO

I trust Israel whole-heartedly before I trust Islamic nations, but that trust needs to be tempered with caution.


Stay in this thread.

You won't be thinking that for much longer.


Why? Please post what you are talking about!
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This is turning in thr next q thread
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So we have Trump in office, protests and riots being flamed…I guess next we have a pandemic. Then something happens after the election and Texags erases everything? History doesn't repeat but it rhymes.
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Secolobo said:



I hate the dumb broad and believe she is evil incarnate, but that email just smacks of made up BS.

Person Not Capable of Pregnancy
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Hilldawg is evil, nasty and a sordid demon. But I bet she knows White House is two words and capitalized, since she lived there for 8 years and such.

She also would not address it "Dear Barack" unless that is shown to be a weird way she addressed all emails.

But all this should be verified since we know she kept copies on her bathroom server. If they are not there, the Russians should have a copy.
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Secolobo said:



I hate the dumb broad and believe she is evil incarnate, but that email just smacks of made up BS.


The email is 100% fake. Never understand how people keep falling for this stuff.


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The email is 100% fake. Never understand how people keep falling for this stuff.

Simple, they want it to be true because it confirms whatever conspiracy theory they already believe.

No different than the people who believe the anonymous tips that Trump was throwing babies into Lake Michigan, and burying dead kids under his (then non-existent) golf course.

Q-Anon and Blue-Anon are still alive and well.
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I agree about being suspicious of the authenticity but what crossed my mind was whether "pizza" and "hotdog" were code for something else. I trust no one ... and am open to all conspiracies since so many are now being proven to be true.
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People believed there were tapes of Trump being peed on by Russian hookers. Yet you want folks to question whether Hillary was discussing wieners and pie at the whitehouse?
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flown-the-coop said:

People believed there were tapes of Trump being peed on by Russian hookers. Yet you want folks to question whether Hillary was discussing wieners and pie at the whitehouse?


I mean if you want people on the right to not be as stupid as people on the left, then yea. Maybe too much to ask though.
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I've been following this as I used to listen to his pod and read his book. He's been absolutely torched online.
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Nobody on the right believe the crap about boiling kids feet in hotdog water.
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GAC06 said:

Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.
that sure is an interesting way to describe pedophilia


Do we really need to keep doing this? Is there anything at all pointing to pedophilia? Words mean things.
do we really need to split hairs over whether it was pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia like a bunch of 4chan libertarians? "sleeping with young girls" is a gross euphemism for what they were actually doing, which was raping children
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Old McDonald said:

GAC06 said:

Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.
that sure is an interesting way to describe pedophilia


Do we really need to keep doing this? Is there anything at all pointing to pedophilia? Words mean things.
do we really need to split hairs over whether it was pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia like a bunch of 4chan libertarians? "sleeping with young girls" is a gross euphemism for what they were actually doing, which was raping children


Why won't they talk about this perverts day job?
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Old McDonald said:

GAC06 said:

Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.

that sure is an interesting way to describe pedophilia


Do we really need to keep doing this? Is there anything at all pointing to pedophilia? Words mean things.

do we really need to split hairs over whether it was pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia like a bunch of 4chan libertarians? "sleeping with young girls" is a gross euphemism for what they were actually doing, which was raping children

MAGA/Qtards have gone from "elites who exploit underage girls are disgusting and Trump is a white hat that's going to rid the world of them" to "aCtUaLlY sCrEwInG 16 yEaR oLdS iSn'T pEdOpHiLiA, wHaT's ThE bIg DeAl?"...all because of Dear Leader's gaslighting.
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Old McDonald said:

GAC06 said:

Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.
that sure is an interesting way to describe pedophilia


Do we really need to keep doing this? Is there anything at all pointing to pedophilia? Words mean things.
do we really need to split hairs over whether it was pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia like a bunch of 4chan libertarians? "sleeping with young girls" is a gross euphemism for what they were actually doing, which was raping children

Does the law make any distinctions?
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Who?mikejones! said:

This is turning in thr next q thread
I said much the same thing 100 pages ago. It just keeps getting better with each new release.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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Interesting that there's relatively few in here posting all the Trump references in the files. The guy only shows up 5,600 times when his name is searched…
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FarmerFran said:

Interesting that there's relatively few in here posting all the Trump references in the files. The guy only shows up 5,600 times when his name is searched…
About 5,500 of those are either fake or mentioned in passing.

Now do Clinton.
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People see or read into what they want to see with things like this that will always have a lot of holes in them allow the imagination to run wild. Yeah, sort of a double entendre there.
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FarmerFran said:

Interesting that there's relatively few in here posting all the Trump references in the files. The guy only shows up 5,600 times when his name is searched…


most of the trump stuff is just allegations from anonymous third parties, imo the interesting stuff is found in the saved email correspondence
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Not posting the pictures but you can see Epstein's corpse at the bottom of this file
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Thiel was much closer to Epstein than he claimed
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techno-ag said:

Who?mikejones! said:

This is turning in thr next q thread
I said much the same thing 100 pages ago. It just keeps getting better with each new release.


Much like ufo stuff, its clear someone has put a bunch of bs in the files to muddy them up to make it hard to differentiate real from fake.
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has this been posted... crazy!


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Melinda Gates responds after Epstein Files suggest Bill Gates got an STD from "Russian girls" and planned to secretly medicate her.

NPR: "The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had additional affairs and that he tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection, and that he was going to give you the medicine without you knowing. His representative has said all of this is false… What is your dominant emotion when you read these news articles with these details?"

MELINDA GATES: "Sad. Just unbelievable sadness. Unbelievable sadness… It's just sadness. I left my marriage. I had to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage. I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation. So it's just sad. That's the truth."



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Old McDonald said:

GAC06 said:

Old McDonald said:

austinAG90 said:

This whole thing is nothing but a bunch of horny ****** bags that got blackmailed after sleeping with young girls and some pros when they shouldn't have. No Mossad or government sponsored spying. In terms of of intelligence or information this is a hoax and nothing but a list of guys we could do without.
that sure is an interesting way to describe pedophilia


Do we really need to keep doing this? Is there anything at all pointing to pedophilia? Words mean things.
do we really need to split hairs over whether it was pedophilia, hebephilia, or ephebophilia like a bunch of 4chan libertarians? "sleeping with young girls" is a gross euphemism for what they were actually doing, which was raping children
Do you KNOW any of these people were engaging in child predation? Or is it okay to socially punish people merely on speculation? How many entries in the database have you personally looked through? Betting not many. There's the internet salacious theory of what Epstein was doing, acquiring blackmail material by filming powerful people with clearly underage girls, and there's the sanitized, non-realistic version of what he was doing that nearly all relationships were benign.

After reading through close to 2000 entries (which after looking through them is not a lot at all, because each one is repeated 10+ times, for notable people most of them are group e-mails/mentions by other people not direct communications) for specific keywords I was curious about. The impression I got was that Epstein was mostly interacting with rich individuals for receiving funding/influence and scientists/doctors for providing funding/influence. That the girls he was dealing with were mostly 20 something's, not children. That his island wasn't exclusively, or even mostly, a haven for pedophilia, but was rather a venue for hosting secluded vacations and/or garden variety parties with models.


Prior to his second arrest a person could have perceived Epstein as a pedophile if they were cautious or an individual that liked young women, but who had hired some women to provide topless massages who told him they were over 18 (this is what his Wikipedia page from 2012 says). That if a person met him in person and directly asked him about it he is the type of person capable of being very persuasive. That after his initial conviction he was still in contact with a lot of powerful people that either believed that version or didn't care and that gave him credibility/mitigation of the perception of his crime to other rich individuals and technology/science/math researchers. He, after all, only received 13 months in prison the majority of which he was allowed to freely leave the prison to engage in business activities.

Epstein got out of prison in 2009. In 2010 he was present at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. That means he was almost certainly vetted by the secret service due to her father being a former president and her mother being Secretary of the State at the time. Asking people to be more thorough than the secret service in their vetting is a tall ask. "He's not off limits, the secret service says he isn't, and he knows lots of rich/powerful people who haven't excommunicated him."

Epstein was an active pursuer of relationships. You can believe that was for blackmailing purposes or you can believe that was just his nature. Based upon the quantity of relationships he acquired the vast majority of them were shallow. The reason Epstein is perceived as the true degenerate that he was today wasn't a result of his 2008 conviction, but rather because during the raid of his homes in 2019 there was a cache of 14 TB of pornography of all types, including child porn. Had he been found to posses the same stuff in 2009 I believe most of these people would've been far less inclined to deal with him.


I don't believe most of these people were engaging in child predation, though some of them were. My impression is that the more common occurrence was a blurring of the lines between a girlfriend and an escort (Josh Fink in the files I looked at is having an argument with a woman he claims to love/would marry, Russian non-citizen, presumably not <18 years old). That they were at the mildest engaged in a purely business (most of them)/casual non-sex related friendship (Chomsky?), more salacious he was making introductions to adult models looking for a sugar daddy (Musk, Hoffmann?), even more salacious providing access to adult prostitutes (Musk/Hoffmann?) and in the narrow, smaller population providing access to children (Woody Allen?).


I don't think people like Attia, Musk, Gates, Hoffman, Bannon were engaged in child predation even if their relationship was poor judgement. They don't rise to my personal moral standard of behavior in what they were definitely getting from Epstein (at best transactional relationships, perhaps direct prostitution for some of them), but I'd have to see more clear evidence they broke the law than is presently out there, right now it's just internet speculation and I'm not end to cancel culture over merely talking to someone or being in the same location.

I'd have much more suspicion of someone like Woody Allen than those other individuals, because it seems like he was constantly around Epstein. In the whole of the database mentioning Elon he outright declines an invitation on substantially more occasions than he entertains one, perhaps my impression of a pedophile is incorrect and they aren't akin to sex addicts, but I'd assume one would be more eager to accept those invitations.
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techno-ag said:

FarmerFran said:

Interesting that there's relatively few in here posting all the Trump references in the files. The guy only shows up 5,600 times when his name is searched…
About 5,500 of those are either fake or mentioned in passing.

Now do Clinton.


There's way more Trump than Clinton in these files. How did you determine they were fake? I hope Clinton is hung from a lamp post right next to Donald if these are real.

The worst part about all of this is they've only released half the files. Can't imagine what the rest contain
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I'll add that Epstein's draft e-mail to expose Gates' Russian fire was written in 2013. In 2014 Epstein extended an invitation to his island to Gates with a statement that Hoffman and Joi Ito would be there and Musk might be there (he did not end up going) where he told BIll to ask Melinda to come as well. There's a lot of things that can be said and speculated about Melinda Gates, but "pedophile" ranks really low on the probability list. Undoubtedly bad stuff happened on the island, but it was not exclusively used for that purpose.

TLDR to my post is: Give me more proof that the mere presence of a relationship with Epstein. He was cleared by SS to attend Chelsea Clinton's wedding and his punishment for his crime suggested mitigating circumstances, like a lack of awareness of their ages. That's a failure by Acosta/the government that likely worked to reduce the perception of his crime.



https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02588828.pdf
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