Find it hard to believe Reuters would be running a story like this if there's nothing to be found in the files and "we're all done here, wrap it up."

Allegations in Epstein files may amount to 'crimes against humanity,' UN experts say

Presumably they are referencing the Clintons and Obama's fixer (she has now resigned from Goldman Sachs I believe) I guess.

Obama's lawyer, fixer and the "ethics" chief Kathy Ruemmler said that President Trump devalued and debased the "sacrosanct" Office of the President, and talks about the dignity and the decency of it.

Kathy Ruemmler was Bill Clinton's lawyer...

Kathy was sleeping with the… https://t.co/y3o80cPgSC pic.twitter.com/FW89dPkVML

— Svetlana Lokhova (@RealSLokhova) February 17, 2026

Both surrounded themselves their whole careers with the worst types of people. Well, I don't blame Monica as she was just a young intern at the time.

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Trump campaigned on this. Trump is Mr. Drain the Swamp. He was going to defeat the "deep state" and rid the world of the pedophiles. It wasn't the only thing he promised, it wasn't the sole focus of his campaign, but it was a big part of his broader strategy and appeal of being "not like the other" politicians. And now? Now he's acting exactly like all the other politicians.

He isn't saying "investigations this complex take time, please be patient while we get our ducks in a row. We will get justice." He's telling the country to ignore it, to stop caring about it. Bondi doesn't respond with reasoned answers as to why indictments haven't been made yet, she makes ad hominem attacks and brings up irrelevant issues to distract from the main line of questioning.

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I'm neither a Trump defender or hater. Try to look at things as they are. This one seems very clear in that Trump campaigned on it because he thought it was a winning issue. He's a populist and will embrace ideology across the political spectrum if he thinks it's good for him. He's capable of being an arch-conservative on some issues, and then pivoting to embrace a policy that only Democrats would support.

Like most of us, he probably thought the "Epstein files" was a pretty simple list of bad guys who just needed to be prosecuted but were protected by the Deep State. It's become clear these files are anything but simple and are millions of pages. It's also clear there hasn't been anything of substance revealed that will lead to prosecution of any high-ranking officials. Plenty of embarrassing emails that have forced some people to resign, but nothing that results in criminal charges yet.

Once he realized this, he moved on from it. The problem is, there's a large group of people who are expecting more, many of whom believe there are criminals yet to be charged. For some of them, this is one of their top issues as a voter, and they won't let go of it. This will linger as a top conspiracy if they don't feel the full sunlight of day has been shined on every email, photograph, etc.

I'm not in that camp because I believe if criminal evidence existed, it would have been used by partisans in the other party to nail the guilty people. There's no way anybody sat on incriminating evidence for all of these years when they could have used it to advance their political objectives. No way. Plus, I don't like seeing people convicted by the witch-hunting mob in the court of public opinion without real due process and confidentiality that's normally afforded to people thru the grand jury process.

So I've moved on also. I'd bet a year's salary that Trump regrets making this such a big campaign issue. But he did, and he owns the blowback he's getting on it.

Europe just doesn't know how to goaltend like we do.

"It has been more than two weeks since the latest tranche of files related to deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein was released by the Justice Department, outlining years of correspondence and visual evidence connecting the convicted sex offender to some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world.

The massive trove, totaling more than 3 million documents, has roiled Europe, leading to resignations and criminal inquiries. In the United States, however, professional exits and investigations of the individuals named in the files have not taken place on the same scale."

NO SHAME

I think the problem is that there is a bunch of information that can never be verified, and there is a bunch of "information" that is really nothing more than crank calls or people hoping to settle scores. It doesn't matter how much information is there if you can't act on any of it.

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I think the problem is that there is a bunch of information that can never be verified, and there is a bunch of "information" that is really nothing more than crank calls or people hoping to settle scores. It doesn't matter how much information is there if you can't act on any of it.

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You mean won't act on any of it. Europe obviously doesn't see it that way. See article linked just above.

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I think the problem is that there is a bunch of information that can never be verified, and there is a bunch of "information" that is really nothing more than crank calls or people hoping to settle scores. It doesn't matter how much information is there if you can't act on any of it.

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You mean won't act on any of it. Europe obviously doesn't see it that way. See article linked just above.

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How did they act? A punch of resignations by people at the tell end of lucrative careers?

Or you mean the Norwegian "corruption" investigations that are laughable in their construct?

That article does not indicate what you think it does.

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Trump campaigned on this. Trump is Mr. Drain the Swamp. He was going to defeat the "deep state" and rid the world of the pedophiles. It wasn't the only thing he promised, it wasn't the sole focus of his campaign, but it was a big part of his broader strategy and appeal of being "not like the other" politicians. And now? Now he's acting exactly like all the other politicians.

He isn't saying "investigations this complex take time, please be patient while we get our ducks in a row. We will get justice." He's telling the country to ignore it, to stop caring about it. Bondi doesn't respond with reasoned answers as to why indictments haven't been made yet, she makes ad hominem attacks and brings up irrelevant issues to distract from the main line of questioning.

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I'm neither a Trump defender or hater. Try to look at things as they are. This one seems very clear in that Trump campaigned on it because he thought it was a winning issue. He's a populist and will embrace ideology across the political spectrum if he thinks it's good for him. He's capable of being an arch-conservative on some issues, and then pivoting to embrace a policy that only Democrats would support.

Like most of us, he probably thought the "Epstein files" was a pretty simple list of bad guys who just needed to be prosecuted but were protected by the Deep State. It's become clear these files are anything but simple and are millions of pages. It's also clear there hasn't been anything of substance revealed that will lead to prosecution of any high-ranking officials. Plenty of embarrassing emails that have forced some people to resign, but nothing that results in criminal charges yet.

Once he realized this, he moved on from it. The problem is, there's a large group of people who are expecting more, many of whom believe there are criminals yet to be charged. For some of them, this is one of their top issues as a voter, and they won't let go of it. This will linger as a top conspiracy if they don't feel the full sunlight of day has been shined on every email, photograph, etc.

I'm not in that camp because I believe if criminal evidence existed, it would have been used by partisans in the other party to nail the guilty people. There's no way anybody sat on incriminating evidence for all of these years when they could have used it to advance their political objectives. No way. Plus, I don't like seeing people convicted by the witch-hunting mob in the court of public opinion without real due process and confidentiality that's normally afforded to people thru the grand jury process.

So I've moved on also. I'd bet a year's salary that Trump regrets making this such a big campaign issue. But he did, and he owns the blowback he's getting on it.

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Sorry but that doesn't really hold water with me. He was already president once! He was president when Epstein was arrested! There is simply no way he thought it was a "simple list of bad guys" when campaigning in 2023 and 2024.

I agree that I don't want a witch hunt, I don't want partisan politics. The idea that there is nothing in the files that is legitimately prosecutable because if there were, it would have been prosecuted, doesn't really click for me. I agree it's possible, but based on what we've seen so far it just seems unlikely. I think "mutually assured destruction" is a more likely reason there haven't been more charges in this. The cold war stayed cold because both sides could annihilate each other, not because neither side could. There are hundreds of photos and videos, and as much as the emails are cryptic and unclear, I still think (and I guess hope) a case can be built.

Furthermore, if it were indeed the case that there simply isn't solid enough evidence to convict, the DOJ could try to explain that. They could say "it isn't verifiable", "the chain of custody of evidence has been broken", "building a solid case is not possible yet but the case is not closed", anything to indicate to the public that they actually care about justice. Instead, the messaging seems to mostly be "stop asking about it". I will give a little bit of credit to Kash Patel because he at least says he wants justice and that it is an ongoing investigation. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has told people to forget about it.

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She is just doing what she was told to do. Her boss is the one calling it a hoax and saying people should move on. The files were "on her desk" a year ago, Patel testified there are no active investigations a couple of month ago. 3 days ago they said it was done.

I would also contend the current situation is his fault. He is the president and it is his administration. One can certainly fault prior administrations, and they certainly deserve it but they are not the ones in power now. If Elko drops a few games next year no one is going to excuse it because Jimbo, Sumlin, and Sherman all sucked., they are going to say he needs to win.

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Again, saying that there is some list out there that implicates every single person involved in sick pedo activity is a hoax. He's not wrong. Most people are smart enough to realize that is what he is referring to. He is not calling the activities that happened a hoax. I mean it's been talked about numerous times on this thread and others. There are plenty of videos out there from before 2016 where he called the island a "cesspool" and discussed how evil that Epstein and Maxwell were. You also can't ignore the fact that he was working with Palm Beach feds to have him arrested back in the mid 2000s, it's out for the public to read. You also cannot ignore the fact that he was the man in charge who ultimately brought a case on him to arrest JE prior to him "killing himself" in jail.

I don't like Bondi at all. In regards to Patel, I'd prefer him to say people aren't being investigated while he's building a case behind the scenes. These people play by different rules and if you tip them off that they're being investigated, they can start having a bunch of eails,files, and videos deleted and start paying off judges. Same as HIllary did. I mean you guys were ok when this happened to Trump, were you not? They didn't tip him off that they were building a case when they raided Mar-a-lago, and you all were completely fine with how that went down.

He's got 3 more years to build cases against these people from the evidence that he has. It is going to take a ton of eveidence and guilt beyong a reasonable doubt to even bring a legitimate case against these people who hold a lot of power. Things like that just don't happen overnight. THEY PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN 99.9% OF THE REST OF THE WORLD

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There is simply no way he thought it was a "simple list of bad guys" when campaigning in 2023 and 2024.

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You don't know that. You believe it, but that doesn't make it so.

Sometimes things are what they appear to be. A lot of smoke but very little incriminating information.

MemphisAg1 said:

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Trump campaigned on this. Trump is Mr. Drain the Swamp. He was going to defeat the "deep state" and rid the world of the pedophiles. It wasn't the only thing he promised, it wasn't the sole focus of his campaign, but it was a big part of his broader strategy and appeal of being "not like the other" politicians. And now? Now he's acting exactly like all the other politicians.

He isn't saying "investigations this complex take time, please be patient while we get our ducks in a row. We will get justice." He's telling the country to ignore it, to stop caring about it. Bondi doesn't respond with reasoned answers as to why indictments haven't been made yet, she makes ad hominem attacks and brings up irrelevant issues to distract from the main line of questioning.

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I'm neither a Trump defender or hater. Try to look at things as they are. This one seems very clear in that Trump campaigned on it because he thought it was a winning issue. He's a populist and will embrace ideology across the political spectrum if he thinks it's good for him. He's capable of being an arch-conservative on some issues, and then pivoting to embrace a policy that only Democrats would support.

Like most of us, he probably thought the "Epstein files" was a pretty simple list of bad guys who just needed to be prosecuted but were protected by the Deep State. It's become clear these files are anything but simple and are millions of pages. It's also clear there hasn't been anything of substance revealed that will lead to prosecution of any high-ranking officials. Plenty of embarrassing emails that have forced some people to resign, but nothing that results in criminal charges yet.

Once he realized this, he moved on from it. The problem is, there's a large group of people who are expecting more, many of whom believe there are criminals yet to be charged. For some of them, this is one of their top issues as a voter, and they won't let go of it. This will linger as a top conspiracy if they don't feel the full sunlight of day has been shined on every email, photograph, etc.
I'm not in that camp because I believe if criminal evidence existed, it would have been used by partisans in the other party to nail the guilty people. There's no way anybody sat on incriminating evidence for all of these years when they could have used it to advance their political objectives. No way. Plus, I don't like seeing people convicted by the witch-hunting mob in the court of public opinion without real due process and confidentiality that's normally afforded to people thru the grand jury process.

So I've moved on also. I'd bet a year's salary that Trump regrets making this such a big campaign issue. But he did, and he owns the blowback he's getting on it.

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You made some good points in there but also some not so good points. I am not sure how anyone can still call anything a "conspiracy theory" at this point when there are videos, photos, emails, etc with some very powerful people with kids tied up, in hot tubs, sitting in people's laps, etc. To call emails from Bill Gates discussing involving the WHO on pandemic planning in 2018, 2 years before Covid was unleashed on the world a conspriacy theory is asinine.

I don't have kids, but telling a mother or a father to "just move on" when the world's elites and politicians who are committing cruel acts against innocent children is pretty crazy. Especially when their hard earned tax dollars are going to fattening these people pockets and pushing their agendas. People aren't just willing to move on from that, sorry to inform you.

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You made some good points in there but also some not so good points. I am not sure how anyone can still call anything a "conspiracy theory" at this point when there are videos, photos, emails, etc with some very powerful people with kids tied up, in hot tubs, sitting in people's laps, etc. To call emails from Bill Gates discussing involving the WHO on pandemic planning in 2018, 2 years before Covid was unleashed on the world a conspriacy theory is asinine.

I don't have kids, but telling a mother or a father to "just move on" when the world's elites and politicians who are committing cruel acts against innocent children is pretty crazy. Especially when their hard earned tax dollars are going to fattening these people pockets and pushing their agendas. People aren't just willing to move on from that, sorry to inform you.

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Unless you have proof that someone committed a crime, it is speculation to say they committed a crime just because their name shows up in a million pages of documents. Some would call that a conspiracy theory.

I am wide open to any proof that people committed a crime in this case, but so far we are long on speculation and short on proof. Just saying... that's where we are right now.

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Plenty of embarrassing emails that have forced some people to resign, but nothing that results in criminal charges yet

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If no laws were broken then they should release the files in redacted except for victims.

What we're really discussing here is ethics and morality if no laws were broken. And ethics and morality can most definitely get judged in the court of public opinion. So release unredacted files and let voters decide at the ballot box.

Nonsensical trolling. Congrats?

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You made some good points in there but also some not so good points. I am not sure how anyone can still call anything a "conspiracy theory" at this point when there are videos, photos, emails, etc with some very powerful people with kids tied up, in hot tubs, sitting in people's laps, etc. To call emails from Bill Gates discussing involving the WHO on pandemic planning in 2018, 2 years before Covid was unleashed on the world a conspriacy theory is asinine.

I don't have kids, but telling a mother or a father to "just move on" when the world's elites and politicians who are committing cruel acts against innocent children is pretty crazy. Especially when their hard earned tax dollars are going to fattening these people pockets and pushing their agendas. People aren't just willing to move on from that, sorry to inform you.

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Unless you have proof that someone committed a crime, it is speculation to say they committed a crime just because their name shows up in a million pages of documents. Some would call that a conspiracy theory.

I am wide open to any proof that people committed a crime in this case, but so far we are long on speculation and short on proof. Just saying... that's where we are right now.

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I agree that what we've seen up to this point probably doesn't constitute proof, at least not in the sense that our judicial system requires. I guess I am just hoping that there is enough evidence to convict others besides just Epstein and G-Max. It seems like there must be, but obviously that isn't necessarily true. I just wish the people in charge of the investigation were handling this in a way that conveyed they are actually trying and care about justice. It's really ****ing depressing to imagine that something even this heinous and evil could simply be used to get votes and that no one with real power actually cares at all.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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You made some good points in there but also some not so good points. I am not sure how anyone can still call anything a "conspiracy theory" at this point when there are videos, photos, emails, etc with some very powerful people with kids tied up, in hot tubs, sitting in people's laps, etc. To call emails from Bill Gates discussing involving the WHO on pandemic planning in 2018, 2 years before Covid was unleashed on the world a conspriacy theory is asinine.

I don't have kids, but telling a mother or a father to "just move on" when the world's elites and politicians who are committing cruel acts against innocent children is pretty crazy. Especially when their hard earned tax dollars are going to fattening these people pockets and pushing their agendas. People aren't just willing to move on from that, sorry to inform you.

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Unless you have proof that someone committed a crime, it is speculation to say they committed a crime just because their name shows up in a million pages of documents. Some would call that a conspiracy theory.

I am wide open to any proof that people committed a crime in this case, but so far we are long on speculation and short on proof. Just saying... that's where we are right now.

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I agree that what we've seen up to this point probably doesn't constitute proof, at least not in the sense that our judicial system requires. I guess I am just hoping that there is enough evidence to convict others besides just Epstein and G-Max. It seems like there must be, but obviously that isn't necessarily true. I just wish the people in charge of the investigation were handling this in a way that conveyed they are actually trying and care about justice. It's really ****ing depressing to imagine that something even this heinous and evil could simply be used to get votes and that no one with real power actually cares at all.

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You would actually have to INVESTIGATE to find out but the people in charge of that have told everyone there are no other crimes to investigate. The republican administration thinks the republican voters are morons. When they find out their base doesn't show up in November then they will understand.

However, they probably already know that but have decided NOT INVESTIGATING has more benefits.

They have let this issue ruin what otherwise was great momentum. It's inexcusable.

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You made some good points in there but also some not so good points. I am not sure how anyone can still call anything a "conspiracy theory" at this point when there are videos, photos, emails, etc with some very powerful people with kids tied up, in hot tubs, sitting in people's laps, etc. To call emails from Bill Gates discussing involving the WHO on pandemic planning in 2018, 2 years before Covid was unleashed on the world a conspriacy theory is asinine.

I don't have kids, but telling a mother or a father to "just move on" when the world's elites and politicians who are committing cruel acts against innocent children is pretty crazy. Especially when their hard earned tax dollars are going to fattening these people pockets and pushing their agendas. People aren't just willing to move on from that, sorry to inform you.

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Unless you have proof that someone committed a crime, it is speculation to say they committed a crime just because their name shows up in a million pages of documents. Some would call that a conspiracy theory.

I am wide open to any proof that people committed a crime in this case, but so far we are long on speculation and short on proof. Just saying... that's where we are right now.

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VIdeos of people chasing around kids on the island and emails talking about it doesn't necessarily give people iron clad evidence of the actual crime unless the vicitims are willing to testify under oath. However, to say that's all a conspiracy theory is quite a stretch, unless you're suggesting that the DOJ is releasing a bunch of false information to the public, which would be grounds for some serious criminal charges.

I believe Elon offered to pay all of the attorney fees for anyone willing to testify. But once again, when the perpetrators of the victims are some of the most elite and most wealthy people in the world, that probably a difficult task to accomplish. Especially since any victim who goes on public record would be in grave danger of losing their life. Would you agree there?

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VIdeos of people chasing around kids on the island and emails talking about it doesn't necessarily give people iron clad evidence of the actual crime unless the vicitims are willing to testify under oath. However, to say that's all a conspiracy theory is quite a stretch, unless you're suggesting that the DOJ is releasing a bunch of false information to the public, which would be grounds for some serious criminal charges.

I believe Elon offered to pay all of the attorney fees for anyone willing to testify. But once again, when the perpetrators of the victims are some of the most elite and most wealthy people in the world, that probably a difficult task to accomplish. Especially since any victim who goes on public record would be in grave danger of losing their life. Would you agree there?

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If there's evidence of a crime, let's go after the accused in a court of law and render justice as determined by a judge or jury. I'm all for punishing pedos if the case can be made.

But if no evidence surfaces that a grand jury will decide to use for an indictment, then I'm not interested in a perpetual conspiracy discussion. It becomes tiresome. At some point, the accusers have to put up or shut up.

This one's been going on for a while and so far it's crickets when it comes to compelling evidence. Maybe there's something right around the corner about to be released that will change that, but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't understand why this isn't called for more. It's beyond time for the accusers to show their cards. And folks can back right the f on up on pretending it's victim blaming. It is not.

They can redact names or use aliases, but there should be a list of accusers, dates the alleged crimes took place, who was there, how they got there, and then if any investigation has or will be done and what the disposition of that investigation was.

I see no reason this cannot be done and can only assume why it has not been done. Elon's offered to cover the fees. If any accused was going to off the accuser, it would have already been done. Do people think billionaires and powerful elites cannot determine, if they desired, who is accusing them of crimes?

I suspect there are at least a few "victims" who are responsible for the discredited claims. They do not want their name associated with the absurd claims as it allows for people to call out inconsistencies or lack of credibility and that would end their victimhood status. Again, I know there are real victims and they deserve justice, But there is undoubtedly those seeking to be a part of this and maybe get a payday down the road.

Massie and others said they had a list of victims, but again nothing from them on what they are doing about that list.

Finally and to another point you made, there is great potential for there to be a lack of evidence or inability to substantiate allegations by the victims. Acosta testified to this when asked about the 2008/9 plea deal. People familiar with these cases know how hard it is to bring legal action even when there are some corroborated factors.

Tl;dr Crimes have victims. Victims have a duty to come forward if they want justice. Giuffre was one of the few who did. She was not killed over it, it is very clear she took her own life and was very, very troubled from decades of abuse, of which Epstein and Maxwell were just a part of that.

Bondi and Kash need to just admit they made a mistake in hyping up a list into the 2024 election. There is no "client list". There are plenty of names, but unless there is enough evidence to bring criminal charges, their names cant be released. Names would have come out in civil litigation from victims where the burden of proof is much lower.

But the Feds actually like this "client list" catnip. It keeps the sheeple from questioning all the Epstein laundering of illegal backdoor ops, executed with YOUR tax dollars. That's what you all should care about. Epstein's wealth and debauchery was funded by tax dollars he got brokering deals for Feds.

But none of you will ever stop to grasp this. Instead, you will continue to argue with each about if a 16 year old is a "child", Bill Gates STDs, or birthday cards.

The Feds killed Epstein because he became a high profile liability after decades of illegal Iran Contra type ops. The bad stuff with girls was just deal flow and skid greasing, not some elaborate blackmail op. That's the hard simple truth.

https://epsteinexposed.com/blog/doj-deleted-892-documents

Link to blog post about DOJ deletions to explain why this resource was created, but pretty great application of automation and open source.

Theyre hashing the releases, then doing periodic comparisons. Deletions are obvious, but hashing will catch any changes, any. The algorithm and tools being used are all available to verify yourself, off their GitHub.

Just more evidence the DOJ is fiddling.

Forgot about this.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/jeffrey-epstein-won-a-29-million-powerball-jackpot-the-day-after-entering-prison-coincidence-or-cover-up/

Everything is fake. Get arrested, need to cover some legal fees, just hit up the lottery slush fund.

Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested.

Look for the Clinton's to silence him

https://news.sky.com/story/epstein-files-latest-trump-attorney-general-to-face-questions-as-survivors-speak-in-congress-13501106

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Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested.

Look for the Clinton's to silence him

https://news.sky.com/story/epstein-files-latest-trump-attorney-general-to-face-questions-as-survivors-speak-in-congress-13501106

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Guess no one told them it was a hoax?

His arrest had nothing to do with sex, it was for corruption in his public office as a trade minister.

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His arrest had nothing to do with sex, it was for corruption in his public office as a trade minister.

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But, but, but, the Draft talking points are out.