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so what's you guys final verdict, is Epstein in some plush tropical island drinking pina colada's (being fanned by 70 virgins) or is he in the dirt?

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That's the million dollar question that I don't think anyone will be able to answer with 100% certainty.

If you held a gun to my head I would choose the former, but that's a complete guess.

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1. Trump admin didn't have access?
2. Epstein didn't die in trumps hands?
3. Kamala won?
4. Massie and Ro aren't the ones who brought the petition?
5. The GOP congress was onboard when this was presented? When it looked like they didn't have the votes?
6. It wasn't Veto proof? He was forced, hence the petition and law
7. How many times have they flip flopped? The files exist. They don't. Binders. No binders. Hoax. Hoax. Hoax. I'm totally exonerated! (from a hoax) and on and on. And now prematurely ending the release and doing no prosecuting.
8. See 7 and reality.

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I get that your incapable of looking through anything other your orange man bad or Republicans are evil glasses.....


But, this is far bigger than either of those. Epstein has been doing nefarious things since the late 70s. He obviously was an intelligence asset, likely laundering money for the cia and other agencies who needed such services.

I, for one, dont believe it matters who the president was at the time of his death, because it wasnt ordered by the president, if anyone. Its clear, as has been warned since Eisenhower, the deep state is real and controls many things outside the purview of any single president or political party.

Its also clear thay these files have been around through numerous administrations and Congresses and that theres no single source of participation.

At some point, you'll need to broaden your complaints to be taken seriously

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ETFan said:

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1. Trump admin didn't have access?
2. Epstein didn't die in trumps hands?
3. Kamala won?
4. Massie and Ro aren't the ones who brought the petition?
5. The GOP congress was onboard when this was presented? When it looked like they didn't have the votes?
6. It wasn't Veto proof? He was forced, hence the petition and law
7. How many times have they flip flopped? The files exist. They don't. Binders. No binders. Hoax. Hoax. Hoax. I'm totally exonerated! (from a hoax) and on and on. And now prematurely ending the release and doing no prosecuting.
8. See 7 and reality.

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I get that your incapable of looking through anything but either through your orange man bad or Republicans are evil glasses.....


But, this is far bigger than either of those. Epstein has been doing nefarious things since the late 70s. He obviously was an intelligence asset, likely laundering money for the cia and other agencies who needed such services.

I, for one, dont bekuve it matters who the president was at the time of his death, because it wasnt ordered by the president, if anyone. Its clear, as has been warned since Eisenhower, the deep state is real and controls many things outside the purview of any single president or political party.

Its also clear thay these files have been around through numerous administrations and Congresses and that theres no single source of participation.

At some point, you'll need to broaden your complaints to be taken seriously

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I was responding to a specific post, it's a bit unfair to expand this to my broad opinion of this?

Every admin prior should have done WAY more than they did. The current one finds themselves in the position of finally doing it and I'm (as in people demanding more) the bad guy?

I understand both sides have been wrapped in this, I can only discuss what is happening now. Arrest them all, stop covering it up.

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Page 197 and the resident leftists still can't find that smoking gun they've been soooooooooooo hoping for.

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Why would you be more willing to deride a "leftist" than demand the current people in charge do something about a pedophile operation? It doesn't make any sense.

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I can do both, but you are the one with the posting history showing your hopes and dreams for Trump involvement

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B-1 83 said:

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Page 197 and the resident leftists still can't find that smoking gun they've been soooooooooooo hoping for.

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Why would you be more willing to deride a "leftist" than demand the current people in charge do something about a pedophile operation? It doesn't make any sense.

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I can do both, but you are the one with the posting history showing your hopes and dreams for Trump involvement

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I hope for all involved to be arrested and removed from the highest levels of control in this world. Trump happens to be sitting in the most powerful seat in the world.

If it was Biden I'd be just as mad and confused, had he done what the current admin is doing. I'm not against conservatives, I'm against the perverts.

Like what am I supposed to post about, Clinton? Ok. Does he have control of anything now? No? Ok... go pick him up and start the questioning? What else is there for me to say?

Shouldn't you be more upset with Biden for doing absolutely nothing?

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Shouldn't you be more upset with Biden for doing absolutely nothing?

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Being ticked at Trump and being ticked at Biden isn't mutually exclusive

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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techno-ag said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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ETFan said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Massie was going off about some names that were released and it was pointed out to him those names were randoms included in a photo lineup.

Massie got butthurt about this revelation and claimed the DOJ should have added that context.

Shipwrecked and Harmeet are pointing out their stupid act did not allow for such.

For those who actually read the bill, it was poorly done to the point it had to be intentional. Or Massie is on of the MIT students who fail at making change from a dollar.

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The names of the individuals in the line-up cards created for some ID purpose are part of an common "investigatory material."

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"Yeah well the stupid idiot should have done better, can we move on?"

Meanwhile the DOJ is explicitly covering this up. That's no longer debatable.

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Can you tell us what is being covered up?

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Does that really matter?

Isn't the fact that they are covering up something while, at the same time, telling you they are the most transparent group ever give you cause?

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I'm more concerned about what the Dems were hiding. They literally had full access to these files for years.

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Exactly. If Kamala would have won, these files would have never seen the light of day, just like when she was 2nd in command.

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If this isn't some revisionist history, I don't know what is.

1. Trump admin had access to all of this before Biden.
2. Epstien died in Trumps custody
3. Kamala didn't win, let it go
4. Republican Massie and Democrat Ro Khanna forced this issue
5. The GOP Congress had to essentially be forced to sign on
6. Trump was forced to sign the law, veto proof.
7. Bondi, Trump, etc have done everything they can to stall or stop the release of anything
8. They still are, they're still breaking the law, they're still involved in a coverup


Revise and hyperbolize all you want, those are the facts.

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Your bullet points are cool and all, but you can't sit there with a straight face and type that with Democrat control of the House in 2019 (when JE killed himself and an active investigate still going on), they would have passed legislation for those files to be released to the public. Too many powerful Democrat donors in them to ever allow them past the Democrat controlled HoR. They were too busy trying to impeach Trump to care anything about protecting innocent children. Think logically for a second on this one. Massie and Khanna didn't force them to release anything, it took both the House and Senate to vote to do so. They're just pushing for unredacted names in them.

What are they covering up exactly? You still haven't answered that. These files have only seen the light of day because Trump agreed to it. Not a peep about these files being released or even talked about up until 2024 during the campaign. That is a fact.

Not hard to figure out why Covid was unleashed upon the world just a few months after his death coincidentally and why it has taken this long for them to be shown to the public. You know, that whole Covid thing where Bill Gates was openly discussing in 2018 and involving the WHO. Let me guess, you still believe that Covid just happened to come about from a crazy dude biting a bat in Wuhan in late 2019?

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1. No idea what would have happened in an alternate universe, that's a cool story though? Wish they would have gone after people, they didn't. I many cases they couldn't. I'm not sure your point?
2. Uh, Massie filed a discharge petition in September of 25 specifically to bypass GOP House leadership, if that's not forcing the issue I'm not sure what is? Trump was against it until it became veto proof, then called it all a hoax AFTER SIGNING IT
3. Coverup: Let's start with a simple one, the list of names and coconspirators she said was on her desk and in the binders. People who have seen the files can confirm they are withholding information. Hell, they said they had 6million releasable documents, we got ~3mil. They're also lying about the amount of info, but that's in the weeds... and their redactions have been breaking the law Trump signed.
4. I'm not here to discuss covid or bill gates (has he been subpoenaed yet???)

Where are the rest of the files, where are the arrests, you're good with what we've got?

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I know your schtick on here is to troll Conservatives but I'll play along with your numbered list......

1) Not sure what you're referring to in an alternate universe here, but I think my points were clearly stated. It's your choice whether or not you want to read them. Do you think that Trump has a magic wand that would allow him to say "ok now that Epstein is dead, let's put all of these files out to the public" and just bypass all of the process of our judicial branch? Especially when his co-conspirator wasn't arrested until July 2, 2020? He was also saddled with the Covid scam at that time as well which shut down our country, but you seem to completely ignore that whole thing.

2) He has called the list a hoax, which is true. There is not some magical "list" that implicates every single person that had inappropriate relations with a child along with verifiable proof. You're also ignoring the verifiable proof part, because you kind of need that in order to arrest the perpetrators. The people who have unlimited amounts of money and access to the best lawyers and paid off judges on the planet.

3) See point #2 above. You can't just start putting out a bunch or videos and names to the public without an iron clad trove of evidence and before any arrest warrants are served. Ever heard of impeding an active investigation? But you already knew that. And if they did choose to do that, I hope you're ready for a Civil War, because that is what would occur. You're not ever going to convince me to defend Pam Bondi though, and I feel like a new head of DOJ needs to be brought in that isn't scared to arrest the elites of the world.

4) See points 2 & 3. I'm hoping evidence is being gathered, but you also have to remember that Anthony Fauci has a Presidential pardon. The guy who was telling our entire population of what rules to follow, shutting down businesses, a guy responsible for pushing mandatory vaccines, etc. Don't find that strange at all as to why he would need a Presidential pardon?



Since you like bullet points and are hell bent on placing the blame all at Trump's feet, I've got a simple question for you......

1a. Why wasn't there a peep out of the previous administration about any of this for 4 years? Not one single peep or a word of these files released?

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The conservatives of the future are going to have entire history departments devoted to how a failing Russia was able to knock over the mighty USA.

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Oh that's rich. The guy who still believes in Russia gate after multiple investigations and 50 million dollars in tax payer money exposed was a hoax created by Hillary Clinton to distract from her own crimes. Now wants that same irrational attention placed on Trump's connection to Epstein.

This pretty much proves that no amount of information will be enough for you. Your preconceived TDS infused notions will never be changed.

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Paul Manafort says hello.

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Sharing polling data? Seriously? You really think thats a win?

Bless your heart.

David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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techno-ag said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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ETFan said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Massie was going off about some names that were released and it was pointed out to him those names were randoms included in a photo lineup.

Massie got butthurt about this revelation and claimed the DOJ should have added that context.

Shipwrecked and Harmeet are pointing out their stupid act did not allow for such.

For those who actually read the bill, it was poorly done to the point it had to be intentional. Or Massie is on of the MIT students who fail at making change from a dollar.

Quote:

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The names of the individuals in the line-up cards created for some ID purpose are part of an common "investigatory material."

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"Yeah well the stupid idiot should have done better, can we move on?"

Meanwhile the DOJ is explicitly covering this up. That's no longer debatable.

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Can you tell us what is being covered up?

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Does that really matter?

Isn't the fact that they are covering up something while, at the same time, telling you they are the most transparent group ever give you cause?

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I'm more concerned about what the Dems were hiding. They literally had full access to these files for years.

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Exactly. If Kamala would have won, these files would have never seen the light of day, just like when she was 2nd in command.

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If this isn't some revisionist history, I don't know what is.

1. Trump admin had access to all of this before Biden.
2. Epstien died in Trumps custody
3. Kamala didn't win, let it go
4. Republican Massie and Democrat Ro Khanna forced this issue
5. The GOP Congress had to essentially be forced to sign on
6. Trump was forced to sign the law, veto proof.
7. Bondi, Trump, etc have done everything they can to stall or stop the release of anything
8. They still are, they're still breaking the law, they're still involved in a coverup


Revise and hyperbolize all you want, those are the facts.

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Your bullet points are cool and all, but you can't sit there with a straight face and type that with Democrat control of the House in 2019 (when JE killed himself and an active investigate still going on), they would have passed legislation for those files to be released to the public. Too many powerful Democrat donors in them to ever allow them past the Democrat controlled HoR. They were too busy trying to impeach Trump to care anything about protecting innocent children. Think logically for a second on this one. Massie and Khanna didn't force them to release anything, it took both the House and Senate to vote to do so. They're just pushing for unredacted names in them.

What are they covering up exactly? You still haven't answered that. These files have only seen the light of day because Trump agreed to it. Not a peep about these files being released or even talked about up until 2024 during the campaign. That is a fact.

Not hard to figure out why Covid was unleashed upon the world just a few months after his death coincidentally and why it has taken this long for them to be shown to the public. You know, that whole Covid thing where Bill Gates was openly discussing in 2018 and involving the WHO. Let me guess, you still believe that Covid just happened to come about from a crazy dude biting a bat in Wuhan in late 2019?

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1. No idea what would have happened in an alternate universe, that's a cool story though? Wish they would have gone after people, they didn't. I many cases they couldn't. I'm not sure your point?
2. Uh, Massie filed a discharge petition in September of 25 specifically to bypass GOP House leadership, if that's not forcing the issue I'm not sure what is? Trump was against it until it became veto proof, then called it all a hoax AFTER SIGNING IT
3. Coverup: Let's start with a simple one, the list of names and coconspirators she said was on her desk and in the binders. People who have seen the files can confirm they are withholding information. Hell, they said they had 6million releasable documents, we got ~3mil. They're also lying about the amount of info, but that's in the weeds... and their redactions have been breaking the law Trump signed.
4. I'm not here to discuss covid or bill gates (has he been subpoenaed yet???)

Where are the rest of the files, where are the arrests, you're good with what we've got?

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I know your schtick on here is to troll Conservatives but I'll play along with your numbered list......

1) Not sure what you're referring to in an alternate universe here, but I think my points were clearly stated. It's your choice whether or not you want to read them. Do you think that Trump has a magic wand that would allow him to say "ok now that Epstein is dead, let's put all of these files out to the public" and just bypass all of the process of our judicial branch? Especially when his co-conspirator wasn't arrested until July 2, 2020? He was also saddled with the Covid scam at that time as well which shut down our country, but you seem to completely ignore that whole thing.

2) He has called the list a hoax, which is true. There is not some magical "list" that implicates every single person that had inappropriate relations with a child along with verifiable proof. You're also ignoring the verifiable proof part, because you kind of need that in order to arrest the perpetrators. The people who have unlimited amounts of money and access to the best lawyers and paid off judges on the planet.

3) See point #2 above. You can't just start putting out a bunch or videos and names to the public without an iron clad trove of evidence and before any arrest warrants are served. Ever heard of impeding an active investigation? But you already knew that. And if they did choose to do that, I hope you're ready for a Civil War, because that is what would occur. You're not ever going to convince me to defend Pam Bondi though, and I feel like a new head of DOJ needs to be brought in that isn't scared to arrest the elites of the world.

4) See points 2 & 3. I'm hoping evidence is being gathered, but you also have to remember that Anthony Fauci has a Presidential pardon. The guy who was telling our entire population of what rules to follow, shutting down businesses, a guy responsible for pushing mandatory vaccines, etc. Don't find that strange at all as to why he would need a Presidential pardon?



Since you like bullet points and are hell bent on placing the blame all at Trump's feet, I've got a simple question for you......

1a. Why wasn't there a peep out of the previous administration about any of this for 4 years? Not one single peep or a word of these files released?

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You can't take a chronological recap I posted and expand it out into this huge argument against me? Right now this entire thing is in Trump's lap, he's dropping the ball, big time and in an odd way.

See above for my opinions on prior admins. The entire upper echelon is most likely covering for this crap and we're here arguing with each other...

David_Puddy said:

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1a. Why wasn't there a peep out of the previous administration about any of this for 4 years? Not one single peep or a word of these files released?

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This was my entire point for bringing up Trumps prior term, just to point out he had access too? That your argument can be applied to him. And Obama. And Bush most likely?

Trump's turn.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Shouldn't you be more upset with Biden for doing absolutely nothing?

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Being ticked at Trump and being ticked at Biden isn't mutually exclusive

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Of course not. Theres just some posters here who seem to be enjoying the political hot potato moment of this more than the dismay of what this entire episode means.

Trump is being very stupid, so far as we know, on this. Of course.

But, this entire thing is much bigger than trump and is a stain on our entire government, past, present and probably future. We're at the very beginning of the true revelations of this, so, hopefully as time goes by, we learn the absolute truth and whomever committed crimes are held to account.

I have my doubts as very few times in history have our 3 letter agencies had any sort of consequence for ill deeds.

ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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techno-ag said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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ETFan said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Massie was going off about some names that were released and it was pointed out to him those names were randoms included in a photo lineup.

Massie got butthurt about this revelation and claimed the DOJ should have added that context.

Shipwrecked and Harmeet are pointing out their stupid act did not allow for such.

For those who actually read the bill, it was poorly done to the point it had to be intentional. Or Massie is on of the MIT students who fail at making change from a dollar.

Quote:

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The names of the individuals in the line-up cards created for some ID purpose are part of an common "investigatory material."

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"Yeah well the stupid idiot should have done better, can we move on?"

Meanwhile the DOJ is explicitly covering this up. That's no longer debatable.

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Can you tell us what is being covered up?

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Does that really matter?

Isn't the fact that they are covering up something while, at the same time, telling you they are the most transparent group ever give you cause?

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I'm more concerned about what the Dems were hiding. They literally had full access to these files for years.

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Exactly. If Kamala would have won, these files would have never seen the light of day, just like when she was 2nd in command.

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If this isn't some revisionist history, I don't know what is.

1. Trump admin had access to all of this before Biden.
2. Epstien died in Trumps custody
3. Kamala didn't win, let it go
4. Republican Massie and Democrat Ro Khanna forced this issue
5. The GOP Congress had to essentially be forced to sign on
6. Trump was forced to sign the law, veto proof.
7. Bondi, Trump, etc have done everything they can to stall or stop the release of anything
8. They still are, they're still breaking the law, they're still involved in a coverup


Revise and hyperbolize all you want, those are the facts.

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Your bullet points are cool and all, but you can't sit there with a straight face and type that with Democrat control of the House in 2019 (when JE killed himself and an active investigate still going on), they would have passed legislation for those files to be released to the public. Too many powerful Democrat donors in them to ever allow them past the Democrat controlled HoR. They were too busy trying to impeach Trump to care anything about protecting innocent children. Think logically for a second on this one. Massie and Khanna didn't force them to release anything, it took both the House and Senate to vote to do so. They're just pushing for unredacted names in them.

What are they covering up exactly? You still haven't answered that. These files have only seen the light of day because Trump agreed to it. Not a peep about these files being released or even talked about up until 2024 during the campaign. That is a fact.

Not hard to figure out why Covid was unleashed upon the world just a few months after his death coincidentally and why it has taken this long for them to be shown to the public. You know, that whole Covid thing where Bill Gates was openly discussing in 2018 and involving the WHO. Let me guess, you still believe that Covid just happened to come about from a crazy dude biting a bat in Wuhan in late 2019?

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1. No idea what would have happened in an alternate universe, that's a cool story though? Wish they would have gone after people, they didn't. I many cases they couldn't. I'm not sure your point?
2. Uh, Massie filed a discharge petition in September of 25 specifically to bypass GOP House leadership, if that's not forcing the issue I'm not sure what is? Trump was against it until it became veto proof, then called it all a hoax AFTER SIGNING IT
3. Coverup: Let's start with a simple one, the list of names and coconspirators she said was on her desk and in the binders. People who have seen the files can confirm they are withholding information. Hell, they said they had 6million releasable documents, we got ~3mil. They're also lying about the amount of info, but that's in the weeds... and their redactions have been breaking the law Trump signed.
4. I'm not here to discuss covid or bill gates (has he been subpoenaed yet???)

Where are the rest of the files, where are the arrests, you're good with what we've got?

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I know your schtick on here is to troll Conservatives but I'll play along with your numbered list......

1) Not sure what you're referring to in an alternate universe here, but I think my points were clearly stated. It's your choice whether or not you want to read them. Do you think that Trump has a magic wand that would allow him to say "ok now that Epstein is dead, let's put all of these files out to the public" and just bypass all of the process of our judicial branch? Especially when his co-conspirator wasn't arrested until July 2, 2020? He was also saddled with the Covid scam at that time as well which shut down our country, but you seem to completely ignore that whole thing.

2) He has called the list a hoax, which is true. There is not some magical "list" that implicates every single person that had inappropriate relations with a child along with verifiable proof. You're also ignoring the verifiable proof part, because you kind of need that in order to arrest the perpetrators. The people who have unlimited amounts of money and access to the best lawyers and paid off judges on the planet.

3) See point #2 above. You can't just start putting out a bunch or videos and names to the public without an iron clad trove of evidence and before any arrest warrants are served. Ever heard of impeding an active investigation? But you already knew that. And if they did choose to do that, I hope you're ready for a Civil War, because that is what would occur. You're not ever going to convince me to defend Pam Bondi though, and I feel like a new head of DOJ needs to be brought in that isn't scared to arrest the elites of the world.

4) See points 2 & 3. I'm hoping evidence is being gathered, but you also have to remember that Anthony Fauci has a Presidential pardon. The guy who was telling our entire population of what rules to follow, shutting down businesses, a guy responsible for pushing mandatory vaccines, etc. Don't find that strange at all as to why he would need a Presidential pardon?



Since you like bullet points and are hell bent on placing the blame all at Trump's feet, I've got a simple question for you......

1a. Why wasn't there a peep out of the previous administration about any of this for 4 years? Not one single peep or a word of these files released?

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You can't take a chronological recap I posted and expand it out into this huge argument against me? Right now this entire thing is in Trump's lap, he's dropping the ball, big time and in an odd way.

See above for my opinions on prior admins. The entire upper echelon is most likely covering for this crap and we're here arguing with each other...

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Yes, take the point as were saying. Its hard to take anything you say seriously because you're so very one sided, and not only on this issue

Kinda the opposite of coop

Who?mikejones! said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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ETFan said:

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David_Puddy said:

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techno-ag said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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ETFan said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Massie was going off about some names that were released and it was pointed out to him those names were randoms included in a photo lineup.

Massie got butthurt about this revelation and claimed the DOJ should have added that context.

Shipwrecked and Harmeet are pointing out their stupid act did not allow for such.

For those who actually read the bill, it was poorly done to the point it had to be intentional. Or Massie is on of the MIT students who fail at making change from a dollar.

Quote:

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The names of the individuals in the line-up cards created for some ID purpose are part of an common "investigatory material."

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"Yeah well the stupid idiot should have done better, can we move on?"

Meanwhile the DOJ is explicitly covering this up. That's no longer debatable.

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Can you tell us what is being covered up?

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Does that really matter?

Isn't the fact that they are covering up something while, at the same time, telling you they are the most transparent group ever give you cause?

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I'm more concerned about what the Dems were hiding. They literally had full access to these files for years.

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Exactly. If Kamala would have won, these files would have never seen the light of day, just like when she was 2nd in command.

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If this isn't some revisionist history, I don't know what is.

1. Trump admin had access to all of this before Biden.
2. Epstien died in Trumps custody
3. Kamala didn't win, let it go
4. Republican Massie and Democrat Ro Khanna forced this issue
5. The GOP Congress had to essentially be forced to sign on
6. Trump was forced to sign the law, veto proof.
7. Bondi, Trump, etc have done everything they can to stall or stop the release of anything
8. They still are, they're still breaking the law, they're still involved in a coverup


Revise and hyperbolize all you want, those are the facts.

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Your bullet points are cool and all, but you can't sit there with a straight face and type that with Democrat control of the House in 2019 (when JE killed himself and an active investigate still going on), they would have passed legislation for those files to be released to the public. Too many powerful Democrat donors in them to ever allow them past the Democrat controlled HoR. They were too busy trying to impeach Trump to care anything about protecting innocent children. Think logically for a second on this one. Massie and Khanna didn't force them to release anything, it took both the House and Senate to vote to do so. They're just pushing for unredacted names in them.

What are they covering up exactly? You still haven't answered that. These files have only seen the light of day because Trump agreed to it. Not a peep about these files being released or even talked about up until 2024 during the campaign. That is a fact.

Not hard to figure out why Covid was unleashed upon the world just a few months after his death coincidentally and why it has taken this long for them to be shown to the public. You know, that whole Covid thing where Bill Gates was openly discussing in 2018 and involving the WHO. Let me guess, you still believe that Covid just happened to come about from a crazy dude biting a bat in Wuhan in late 2019?

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1. No idea what would have happened in an alternate universe, that's a cool story though? Wish they would have gone after people, they didn't. I many cases they couldn't. I'm not sure your point?
2. Uh, Massie filed a discharge petition in September of 25 specifically to bypass GOP House leadership, if that's not forcing the issue I'm not sure what is? Trump was against it until it became veto proof, then called it all a hoax AFTER SIGNING IT
3. Coverup: Let's start with a simple one, the list of names and coconspirators she said was on her desk and in the binders. People who have seen the files can confirm they are withholding information. Hell, they said they had 6million releasable documents, we got ~3mil. They're also lying about the amount of info, but that's in the weeds... and their redactions have been breaking the law Trump signed.
4. I'm not here to discuss covid or bill gates (has he been subpoenaed yet???)

Where are the rest of the files, where are the arrests, you're good with what we've got?

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I know your schtick on here is to troll Conservatives but I'll play along with your numbered list......

1) Not sure what you're referring to in an alternate universe here, but I think my points were clearly stated. It's your choice whether or not you want to read them. Do you think that Trump has a magic wand that would allow him to say "ok now that Epstein is dead, let's put all of these files out to the public" and just bypass all of the process of our judicial branch? Especially when his co-conspirator wasn't arrested until July 2, 2020? He was also saddled with the Covid scam at that time as well which shut down our country, but you seem to completely ignore that whole thing.

2) He has called the list a hoax, which is true. There is not some magical "list" that implicates every single person that had inappropriate relations with a child along with verifiable proof. You're also ignoring the verifiable proof part, because you kind of need that in order to arrest the perpetrators. The people who have unlimited amounts of money and access to the best lawyers and paid off judges on the planet.

3) See point #2 above. You can't just start putting out a bunch or videos and names to the public without an iron clad trove of evidence and before any arrest warrants are served. Ever heard of impeding an active investigation? But you already knew that. And if they did choose to do that, I hope you're ready for a Civil War, because that is what would occur. You're not ever going to convince me to defend Pam Bondi though, and I feel like a new head of DOJ needs to be brought in that isn't scared to arrest the elites of the world.

4) See points 2 & 3. I'm hoping evidence is being gathered, but you also have to remember that Anthony Fauci has a Presidential pardon. The guy who was telling our entire population of what rules to follow, shutting down businesses, a guy responsible for pushing mandatory vaccines, etc. Don't find that strange at all as to why he would need a Presidential pardon?



Since you like bullet points and are hell bent on placing the blame all at Trump's feet, I've got a simple question for you......

1a. Why wasn't there a peep out of the previous administration about any of this for 4 years? Not one single peep or a word of these files released?

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You can't take a chronological recap I posted and expand it out into this huge argument against me? Right now this entire thing is in Trump's lap, he's dropping the ball, big time and in an odd way.

See above for my opinions on prior admins. The entire upper echelon is most likely covering for this crap and we're here arguing with each other...

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Yes, take the point as were saying. Its hard to take anything you say seriously because you're so very one sided, and not only on this issue

Kinda the opposite of coop

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Besides the unfortunate frequency of posting in this thread today, nah man. I literally just said I'm upset at Biden and Obama for not releasing the files or making more arrests. Kind of only learning now how big this is, thanks to Massie, a Republican, for forcing this to the front.

How am I supposed to discuss current events without mentioning the current administration? Every time I do I'm called partisan. Just stay on the topic.

I don't want to keep quote pasting on here to take up space, but Trump isn't the head of the DOJ, nor is he a lawyer. I think Pam Bondi is an idiot and if she isn't doing her job and needs to be replaced. It falls in her lap to be building cases against these elites along with taking the evidence that Trump's DOJ gathered during his first term and bringing cases upon people. That doesn't fall solely in Trump's lap.

IF Trump didn't sign off of the release of the files to the public, we'd all still be completely in the dark and people would claim it's all a conspiracy theory. That elites and their favorite politicians weren't involved and Epstein wasn't an intelligence asset for them and other intelligence agencies. Can you at least acknowledge that?

We're on the same page here in that this shouldn't be a political issue but I completely disagree that this is all Trump's fault like you're continuing to claim. I think the overwhelming majority of our population wants anyone who was involved with harming and torturing innocent children to be punished to the full extent. However, it's not that easy to bring forth a case to do so, especially against people who don't play by the same set of rules that 99.9% of the rest of the world does.

Side note, we've just finished year 1, and the DOJ has 3 years left to start making arrests. I would have liked them to happen a long long time ago, but that's just not the way it works. Again, these people involved play by completely different rules here. If no arrests are made by the end of his term, I will go on record that my tune will completely change on Trump.

The bottom line is we have a lot of posters on this thread who didn't give two ****s about Epstein until that ball was in Trump's court.

There reasons for there obsession now are extremely transparent.

I think the upper echelons of both parties know there are things in those files that will never be released because of the sensitive nature of them. Both parties are going to leverage political points off of that as much as they can.

Silent For Too Long said:

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The bottom line is we have a lot of posters on this thread who didn't give two ****s about Epstein until that ball was in Trump's court.

There reasons for there obsession now are extremely transparent.

I think the upper echelons of both parties know there are things in those files that will never be released because of the sensitive nature of them. Both parties are going to leverage political points off of that as much as they can.

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Bingo......along with protecting the people who helped make them rich

Side note, does anyone else find it strange about this whole Savannah Guthrie kidnapping case when she was starting to bring light to the victims and the fact that her ex husband used to win for the Clintons? Probably just another coincidence

Silent For Too Long said:

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The bottom line is we have a lot of posters on this thread who didn't give two ****s about Epstein until that ball was in Trump's court.

There reasons for there obsession now are extremely transparent.

I think the upper echelons of both parties know there are things in those files that will never be released because of the sensitive nature of them. Both parties are going to leverage political points off of that as much as they can.

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We should just be glad more people are finding out. If you think that's opportunism, that's fine, doesn't change anything. And to be fair, until the 180 by the admin, there wasn't much reason to say anything about this? We all thought the files/names were coming, then they weren't.

Everyone has to find out X thing at some time Y. Better now than never.

And I laughed at the quoting, I was getting to the point of wondering if there's a limit on how deep you can quote/comment.

David_Puddy said:

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Side note, does anyone else find it strange about this whole Savannah Guthrie kidnapping case when she was starting to bring light to the victims and the fact that her ex husband used to win for the Clintons? Probably just another coincidence

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Yes, very 'sus' as they say.

Another side note I have been seeing people discussing the organization of a mass revolt on back channels like Signal & Telegram and it seems like that may happen before too long. I hope these people know that those apps are still monitored by the FBI & CIA. From the very little I've seen it appears that March 7th will be the first date.

As to what all it will entail, who knows but I could certainly see a much larger version of Jan 6th happening sooner rather than later. Maybe that's what it will finally take. I'd prefer that much more than vigilante justice

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so what's you guys final verdict, is Epstein in some plush tropical island drinking pina colada's (being fanned by 70 virgins) or is he in the dirt?

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I firmly believe he is still alive.

Definitely alive. Living in Millican Falls. That's why Trump moved Maxwell to Bryan.

Epstein was murdered by Feds bc he was a broker of their geopolitical ops for decades. Epstein used it get off in Palm Beach, but this last time around the Feds couldn't accommodate. So they killed him.

All the "client list" stuff is futile. There needs to be enough evidence to bring criminal charges before any names can be released. Unfortunately, these dirtbags probably have plausible deniability on the age of these late teen minors. If there was anything more egregious with younger victims, we would probably get names.

So, its not just that these guys might be friends of Trump. The bigger issue is they have the same Constitutional rights as any other accused subjects. This Epstein stuff is just super high profile and political so society expects those Constitutional rights not to apply.

That all said, I think Alan Dershowitz is probably a key name. His insurance already made a big payment that was pretty suspicious. But it allows him to say "I never paid". Also allows him to claim it was just a indirect payment for "legal fees".

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I am saying that one is. Are you trolling by trying to expand it to "wives" and not the discredited story of McDougal?

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Not trolling a bit, just genuinely curious.

For those keeping score at home, McDougal refers to Karen McDougal, who had an affair with Trump while he was married to Melania (2006-2007). This is the story that the National Inquirer paid $150K for. Just to kill in order to help Trump.

Right before the 2016 election, the WSJ published the story. Several other investigative reporters affirmed the WSJ story, since. Nobody has published reactions.

So, it really looks as if it is you who is trolling, making up a lie about the story being discredited (when it hasn't been) to try to start an argument.

Finally we will get some answers!!

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Im Gipper said:

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Finally we will get some answers!!

FBI Director Patel will be my guest on the show tomorrow.
We’re live on Rumble at 10a ET.
Watch at https://t.co/G2Wjvsa9dR pic.twitter.com/4SaciyMTFC

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) February 18, 2026

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"I can't comment on any active investigations"

No we won't.

What active investigation?

Im Gipper said:

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What active investigation?

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The one he will say is ongoing to dodge any questions and not have to answer anything.

David_Puddy said:

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I don't want to keep quote pasting on here to take up space, but Trump isn't the head of the DOJ, nor is he a lawyer. I think Pam Bondi is an idiot and if she isn't doing her job and needs to be replaced. It falls in her lap to be building cases against these elites along with taking the evidence that Trump's DOJ gathered during his first term and bringing cases upon people. That doesn't fall solely in Trump's lap.

IF Trump didn't sign off of the release of the files to the public, we'd all still be completely in the dark and people would claim it's all a conspiracy theory. That elites and their favorite politicians weren't involved and Epstein wasn't an intelligence asset for them and other intelligence agencies. Can you at least acknowledge that?

We're on the same page here in that this shouldn't be a political issue but I completely disagree that this is all Trump's fault like you're continuing to claim. I think the overwhelming majority of our population wants anyone who was involved with harming and torturing innocent children to be punished to the full extent. However, it's not that easy to bring forth a case to do so, especially against people who don't play by the same set of rules that 99.9% of the rest of the world does.

Side note, we've just finished year 1, and the DOJ has 3 years left to start making arrests. I would have liked them to happen a long long time ago, but that's just not the way it works. Again, these people involved play by completely different rules here. If no arrests are made by the end of his term, I will go on record that my tune will completely change on Trump.

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She is just doing what she was told to do. Her boss is the one calling it a hoax and saying people should move on. The files were "on her desk" a year ago, Patel testified there are no active investigations a couple of month ago. 3 days ago they said it was done.

I would also contend the current situation is his fault. He is the president and it is his administration. One can certainly fault prior administrations, and they certainly deserve it but they are not the ones in power now. If Elko drops a few games next year no one is going to excuse it because Jimbo, Sumlin, and Sherman all sucked., they are going to say he needs to win.

AgDev01 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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I don't want to keep quote pasting on here to take up space, but Trump isn't the head of the DOJ, nor is he a lawyer. I think Pam Bondi is an idiot and if she isn't doing her job and needs to be replaced. It falls in her lap to be building cases against these elites along with taking the evidence that Trump's DOJ gathered during his first term and bringing cases upon people. That doesn't fall solely in Trump's lap.

IF Trump didn't sign off of the release of the files to the public, we'd all still be completely in the dark and people would claim it's all a conspiracy theory. That elites and their favorite politicians weren't involved and Epstein wasn't an intelligence asset for them and other intelligence agencies. Can you at least acknowledge that?

We're on the same page here in that this shouldn't be a political issue but I completely disagree that this is all Trump's fault like you're continuing to claim. I think the overwhelming majority of our population wants anyone who was involved with harming and torturing innocent children to be punished to the full extent. However, it's not that easy to bring forth a case to do so, especially against people who don't play by the same set of rules that 99.9% of the rest of the world does.

Side note, we've just finished year 1, and the DOJ has 3 years left to start making arrests. I would have liked them to happen a long long time ago, but that's just not the way it works. Again, these people involved play by completely different rules here. If no arrests are made by the end of his term, I will go on record that my tune will completely change on Trump.

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She is just doing what she was told to do. Her boss is the one calling it a hoax and saying people should move on. The files were "on her desk" a year ago, Patel testified there are no active investigations a couple of month ago. 3 days ago they said it was done.

I would also contend the current situation is his fault. He is the president and it is his administration. One can certainly fault prior administrations, and they certainly deserve it but they are not the ones in power now. If Elko drops a few games next year no one is going to excuse it because Jimbo, Sumlin, and Sherman all sucked., they are going to say he needs to win.

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We don't need EDS (Elko Deflection Syndrome) to go with our BAS.

This is a wild read:

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