Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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i think this is a bit more nuanced than what some may think. in the short term we absolutely have the leverage but that leverage is decreasing. whether we like it or no the world is changing. that doesn't mean it can't be great for america but i am not sure the days of we say jump and everyone says how high will continue for that much longer. i think it it prudent to employee different strategies at different times. trump is all about the negotiation so i am sure this is part of that.

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Let India buy Russian oil and use their savings to buy the F-35.
Win-Win.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Same here. Especially when you're trying to talk to someone and finally get past the automated system labyrinth only to end up with someone that you can barely understand.

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Just keep pressing 0 over and over. That breaks out of 99% of the ICD systems and will get you a live human.

No Spin Ag said:

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Gigem_94 said:

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I wish there was a way to place a tariff on the use of Indian call centers serving the US.

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Aren't those call centers owned by American companies?

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No

My company's Indian employees are employed by an Indian subsidiary we "contract" with

Other centers are owned by Indian firms and the reps are contractors. Some agents will even take calls for multiple end clients on the same shift.

rocky the dog said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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And his name is Chris.

If they were serious, they would start blocking education and H-1B visas.

nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

txyaloo said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Gigem_94 said:

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I wish there was a way to place a tariff on the use of Indian call centers serving the US.

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Aren't those call centers owned by American companies?

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No

My company's Indian employees are employed by an Indian subsidiary we "contract" with

Other centers are owned by Indian firms and the reps are contractors. Some agents will even take calls for multiple end clients on the same shift.

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This is why it's going to be difficult (but not impossible) to target American companies shipping jobs overseas.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Lol, well I have been dealing with exactly that over a keyboard replacement (second time) on a Dell laptop. But Dell has it figured out. Almost impossible to speak to someone for repair work (still under warranty). It is almost all done via email, though a great deal of it was via text. Maybe their idea is that most people won't know they are dealing with someone in India if they can't hear their voice. You can tell in emails and text messages by the words they use and phrases they use.

What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

Somebody get those guys a work bench and another color of paint besides blue.

How will Coppell survive?

We are a distributor who buys quite a bit from India - also US, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan, China. Some of this is dictated by our customers (must be made by a certain manufacturer), some of it is based on having the most capable manufacture make the products and yes some is based on lowest cost of acquisition.

Does everyone understand who is really paying these tariffs??

We (a US corporation) pay the tariffs on goods inbound and then we pass that increase on to our customers - who pass it on to their customers where it gets baked into the cost of necessary (not luxury) services provided to everyday Americans...who...guess what...will get to pay higher prices for those same services.

Yes, we are working to adapt to use sources in other countries where we can - but that doesn't happen overnight. Many of these products are engineering qualified through lengthy and expensive testing and customers are literally unable to change components in their equipment until they redo all of that testing - at great expense and time to them (again increasing costs).

Everyone can clap about this - and maybe it will end very good for US - I hope so. But these whipsaw policy/tariff changes are happening faster than the supply chain can react. Companies shifted to India after China az-ho...now they are getting whammied in India. Do they spend big money moving production again only to have that change?

TexasAggie73 said:

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What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

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Local CPA firm is outsourcing all their tax prep to India because they can't find any accountants for public accounting work anymore.

JB93 said:

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We are a distributor who buys quite a bit from India - also US, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan, China. Some of this is dictated by our customers (must be made by a certain manufacturer), some of it is based on having the most capable manufacture make the products and yes some is based on lowest cost of acquisition.

Does everyone understand who is really paying these tariffs??

We (a US corporation) pay the tariffs on goods inbound and then we pass that increase on to our customers - who pass it on to their customers where it gets baked into the cost of necessary (not luxury) services provided to everyday Americans...who...guess what...will get to pay higher prices for those same services.

Yes, we are working to adapt to use sources in other countries where we can - but that doesn't happen overnight. Many of these products are engineering qualified through lengthy and expensive testing and customers are literally unable to change components in their equipment until they redo all of that testing - at great expense and time to them (again increasing costs).

Everyone can clap about this - and maybe it will end very good for US - I hope so. But these whipsaw policy/tariff changes are happening faster than the supply chain can react. Companies shifted to India after China az-ho...now they are getting whammied in India. Do they spend big money moving production again only to have that change?

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Very good response. Too many knee jerk comments. Business can only take on so so much added cost before they pass it to the consumer

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Now you get to talk to a computer. Which is actually better...?

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My husband actually realized after several minutes trying to talk to a customer service rep that it was AI - but the kicker was it still had an Indian/Pakistani accent!!

Got a big kick out of listening to him from across the room!!

I want things to be manufactured here.

Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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Who knew the population India was 1.2 TRILLION people!

TexAg1987 said:

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TexasAggie73 said:

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What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

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Local CPA firm is outsourcing all their tax prep to India because they can't find any accountants for public accounting work anymore.

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You mean, cant find cheap ones

Bucketrunner said:

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I want things to be manufactured here.

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That would only make the costs higher and most if not all would be by robots or some form of automation.

AJ02 said:

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We shifted everything to China, and started relying on them way too much.

Now with all the anti-China rhetoric, we're shifting everything to India and starting to rely on them too much.

Which country will it be after India?

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That is precisely why we need to be self-reliant and stop being slaves to other countries just to get our cheap junk.

Bring jobs in-house. Then show everyone the finger.

I have been tracking Indian analysts and they are all crowing about howmean Trump is and how US needs India and how American corporations will collapse without Indian back-office support.

Trump showed them how much leverage they actually have.

deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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I corrected my post. Should be millions, not billions. They do that because they do have people outside 2 sigma intelligence on the high side. Since they have 1.4 billion people, that is quite a few.

Yeah, I corrected it.

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Now you get to talk to a computer. Which is actually better...?

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Exactly... AI or India?

And stupid AI will keep repeating the same dumb things and giving me menus to pick from or saying "I did not understand".

Bring back call centers to America.

Cromagnum said:

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Now do 50% fines (or higher) on jobs that go to India

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High 5 to you.

torrid said:

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If they were serious, they would start blocking education and H-1B visas.

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It should be "Get your education, pay us, and GTFO".

Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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It's not racist. It's a fact. Deal with it.

deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

We can even do street food better...

TexAg1987 said:

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TexasAggie73 said:

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What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

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Local CPA firm is outsourcing all their tax prep to India because they can't find any accountants for public accounting work anymore.

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Doubt. They can't find any willing to work for peanuts and do 80 hour weeks like a slave.

infinity ag said:

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AJ02 said:

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We shifted everything to China, and started relying on them way too much.

Now with all the anti-China rhetoric, we're shifting everything to India and starting to rely on them too much.

Which country will it be after India?

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That is precisely why we need to be self-reliant and stop being slaves to other countries just to get our cheap junk.

Bring jobs in-house. Then show everyone the finger.

I have been tracking Indian analysts and they are all crowing about howmean Trump is and how US needs India and how American corporations will collapse without Indian back-office support.

Trump showed them how much leverage they actually have.

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We don't need India at all. The height of American innovation was before any of them were ever here.

infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.