infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

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The first group that came were not the low IQ people, but that's actually not the part the matters. India is an incredibly low trust nation where everyone lies, cheats, and steals to get ahead. Absolutely nothing is off the table at any point in time.

The US was a high trust nation where people assumed others were doing things in good faith. Unfortunately for Americans, we were ill equipped to deal with people like this. It's why Americans fall for scams in business scenarios often and why they will believe someone who appears to be speaking earnestly despite lying through their teeth.

Nepotism is par for the course for Indians. Once one gets into management, that's all that gets hired. Americans do not behave this way but perhaps we are learning what it means to live in a low trust nation. We will reforge what we have lost, of that I have no doubt. People have no idea what is coming.

deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

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Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

I'm dead

Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

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Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

India is a country that's flown under the radar because they're mostly peaceful (to the West). But clearly they've been taking economic advantage of us on multiple levels for decades. Good on Trump to reel them back in.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

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Interesting hearing that experience from that side.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

---

Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

---

Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

---

So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

---

The first group that came were not the low IQ people, but that's actually not the part the matters. India is an incredibly low trust nation where everyone lies, cheats, and steals to get ahead. Absolutely nothing is off the table at any point in time.

The US was a high trust nation where people assumed others were doing things in good faith. Unfortunately for Americans, we were ill equipped to deal with people like this. It's why Americans fall for scams in business scenarios often and why they will believe someone who appears to be speaking earnestly despite lying through their teeth.

Nepotism is par for the course for Indians. Once one gets into management, that's all that gets hired. Americans do not behave this way but perhaps we are learning what it means to live in a low trust nation. We will reforge what we have lost, of that I have no doubt. People have no idea what is coming.

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Tell us what is coming.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

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This is what I have been screaming my guts out here. 99%+ "engineers" from India suck. The ones from US universities are the competent one, not everyone. That is because they are picked off from the streets by Infosys and Tata and sent to here for "project". The scam is mindboggling and US companies are complicit.

Everyone makes money in this scam, American companies eventually die, and the everyday American employee gets screwed. And sadly many gaslight him and call him "lazy" or tell him "go work in HVAC".

Now reduce H1B visas by 50%. Each year.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

---

Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

---

Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

---

So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

---

The first group that came were not the low IQ people, but that's actually not the part the matters. India is an incredibly low trust nation where everyone lies, cheats, and steals to get ahead. Absolutely nothing is off the table at any point in time.

The US was a high trust nation where people assumed others were doing things in good faith. Unfortunately for Americans, we were ill equipped to deal with people like this. It's why Americans fall for scams in business scenarios often and why they will believe someone who appears to be speaking earnestly despite lying through their teeth.

Nepotism is par for the course for Indians. Once one gets into management, that's all that gets hired. Americans do not behave this way but perhaps we are learning what it means to live in a low trust nation. We will reforge what we have lost, of that I have no doubt. People have no idea what is coming.

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I agree with everything you say and it matches my observation.

However, I blame ourselves for getting greedy and importing millions of scumbags from all over the world to make a measly buck. This started in the 90s so you know who was in charge. Remember these are NOT illegals. These are legal entrants and we let them in.

We are turning into a 3rd world sheethole.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

---

I agree with your post. However I have a question. I have a theory but I want to hear your opinion.

If they suck at a 99% rate, why do we bring them in and keep bringing them in? Logically shouldn't we discard them after we know they suck?

ts5641 said:

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India is a country that's flown under the radar because they're mostly peaceful (to the West). But clearly they've been taking economic advantage of us on multiple levels for decades. Good on Trump to reel them back in.

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I am watching Indian analysts and forums and Youtube. They are all pissed off that we dared to take them on. Some even say that the US doesn't know what it did and the US itself will lose in this. Okay, if US is losing why are they crying so much? They should be dancing.

So yes, they ripped us off for decades and now know the gig is up.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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If you have to deal with AT&T, you're stuck translating their network engineers broke-ass In-glish.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

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This has been my experiences as well. They are hired because they work for slave wages and to undercut Americans. Well that and nepotism.

ts5641 said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

---

Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

---

Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

---

So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

---

The first group that came were not the low IQ people, but that's actually not the part the matters. India is an incredibly low trust nation where everyone lies, cheats, and steals to get ahead. Absolutely nothing is off the table at any point in time.

The US was a high trust nation where people assumed others were doing things in good faith. Unfortunately for Americans, we were ill equipped to deal with people like this. It's why Americans fall for scams in business scenarios often and why they will believe someone who appears to be speaking earnestly despite lying through their teeth.

Nepotism is par for the course for Indians. Once one gets into management, that's all that gets hired. Americans do not behave this way but perhaps we are learning what it means to live in a low trust nation. We will reforge what we have lost, of that I have no doubt. People have no idea what is coming.

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Tell us what is coming.

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You'll figure it out if you look hard enough and you're not an indoctrinated Boomer.

infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

---

I agree with your post. However I have a question. I have a theory but I want to hear your opinion.

If they suck at a 99% rate, why do we bring them in and keep bringing them in? Logically shouldn't we discard them after we know they suck?

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A bunch of ******ed Boomers who refuse to retire love cutting costs to skimp on quality because they are idiots and because Indians are by far and away the most nepotistic people on the planet.

We should discard them but once an Indian gets into management that never happens. It's even worse if one gets into HR. All you'll get is Indian recommendations.

txyaloo said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Gigem_94 said:

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I wish there was a way to place a tariff on the use of Indian call centers serving the US.

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Aren't those call centers owned by American companies?

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No

My company's Indian employees are employed by an Indian subsidiary we "contract" with

Other centers are owned by Indian firms and the reps are contractors. Some agents will even take calls for multiple end clients on the same shift.

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So we don't own then but give them our business. That's new.

A buddy of mine used to work for a call center in Dallas in the early aughts. His company sent him to the Philippines to open their new call center over there. The guy did then eventually lost his job to one of his right hand men who would do his job cheaper.

I didn't realize American companies found a way, through contracting, to keep even more of their money at American workers expense.

As for the H1B folks. I don't blame them for being over here, it's American politicians owned by America executives who are the ones making sure they come to our country, because it benefits the executives and the politicians they own.

All the ire needs to be placed at the source - the American executives and the politicians they own.

David_Puddy said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Same here. Especially when you're trying to talk to someone and finally get past the automated system labyrinth only to end up with someone that you can barely understand.

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Named Bob or Mary. All of them.

Bucketrunner said:

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I want things to be manufactured here.

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nm

Deerdude said:

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David_Puddy said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Same here. Especially when you're trying to talk to someone and finally get past the automated system labyrinth only to end up with someone that you can barely understand.

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Named Bob or Mary. All of them.

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Always gets me

infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

---

I agree with your post. However I have a question. I have a theory but I want to hear your opinion.

If they suck at a 99% rate, why do we bring them in and keep bringing them in? Logically shouldn't we discard them after we know they suck?

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Simply put, two reasons

1 - billable hours
2 - to work with other layers of useless Indians - i.e. you know the players - Wipro, Tata, HCL, Cognizant, etc.

More complex - high cost of living areas starting with The Bay Area

Indians will live 4 men to a room. Americans want their own apartment at the minimum. (although with the younger Gen Z set, struggle stories and having a roommate is more popular)

Stone Choir said:

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We should discard them but once an Indian gets into management that never happens. It's even worse if one gets into HR. All you'll get is Indian recommendations.

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Agreed that subcontinent management is bad. Worse than British or Australian management.

But counter to your point, the only Indians I've ever worked with in HR have been recruiters. Including a McKinney (LOL) based gal who showed me how to easily spot an H-1B resume requiring sponsorship. That has helped tremendously with resume screening - especially from every Indian guy who refers 2 of their friends who are "just the guy" for every req I open.

ts5641 said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

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Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

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Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

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Interesting hearing that experience from that side.

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Honestly, it's only a realization I've had during the past year.

I was thinking about how I've been working with Indians for 30 years and known Indian Engineers (fathers of childhood friends) for 40+ years. So why do these new guys suck so bad?

I figured out what the difference is, in a nutshell - a Masters Degree in Engineering from a US University. In the old days, they all had them.

These days, no such requirement. Just declare a skills shortage and hire the lowest cost person you can find.

Stressboy said:

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The first 15 years of prime Indian immigration 90-2005 we were getting the top 1% of that country's 1 billion people. How do I know? I'm friends with some of them. Now if you look at the more recent Indians we are getting folks lower down the scale. How do I know? I go to Costco in Lewisville.

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We saw this same shift in our neighborhood schools with Chinese immigration beginning in the '90s. It was very noticeable.

It makes sense ... the first wave of immigrants has to be smarter, more nimble, more willing to assimilate. After they pave the way, those who follow aren't nearly as successful or even capable.

To borrow a phrase, they aren't sending their best any more.

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infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

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Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

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Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

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I agree with your post. However I have a question. I have a theory but I want to hear your opinion.

If they suck at a 99% rate, why do we bring them in and keep bringing them in? Logically shouldn't we discard them after we know they suck?

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Simply put, two reasons

1 - billable hours
2 - to work with other layers of useless Indians - i.e. you know the players - Wipro, Tata, HCL, Cognizant, etc.

More complex - high cost of living areas starting with The Bay Area

Indians will live 4 men to a room. Americans want their own apartment at the minimum. (although with the younger Gen Z set, struggle stories and having a roommate is more popular)

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I agree with all you say above and I have actually seen 4-5 people in a room in an apartment, all with laptops on the floor trying to find a "project" in 2002. Everything else you say is also right but it does not answer my question, or I did not understand your answer.


Scenario:
Imagine you are a US CEO of ABC corp. You have $1MM to invest in new employees.
1. You hire 10 high quality US employees at $100k. Total $1MM. Expected satisfaction: 95%.
2. You hire 20 low quality employees/contractors from India for $45k each. Total $900k. Expected satisfaction: 50%.

Put yourself in the shoes of a typical US CEO.
Which choice would you pick?
Why? I am interested in the reasoning as I think I know the choice.

I won't comment on this but watch this and I want to hear all your comments. It's a viewpoint from the other side.


Steve Bannon Out-Trumps Trump! Wants all 1.1M Foreign Students studying in US to return!

let's not forget that India has always been a "non-aligned" country and always backed the Soviet Union

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let's not forget that India has always been a "non-aligned" country and always backed the Soviet Union

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I don't blame them for that. The US is a fickle friend. We support terrorists like Saddam and fund evil countries like Pakistan (which harbored Osama). In 1971 we sent our war ships against India and Russia had to help them out during their war with Pakistan.

Them being non-aligned made sense to them at that time. Are you mad at them for thinking for themselves in their best interest (like we do here) and not being a slave state of the US?

infinity ag said:

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LMCane said:

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let's not forget that India has always been a "non-aligned" country and always backed the Soviet Union

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I don't blame them for that. The US is a fickle friend. We support terrorists like Saddam and fund evil countries like Pakistan (which harbored Osama). In 1971 we sent our war ships against India and Russia had to help them out during their war with Pakistan.

Them being non-aligned made sense to them at that time. Are you mad at them for thinking for themselves in their best interest (like we do here) and not being a slave state of the US?

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We are holding it against them for supporting our enemies.

samurai_science said:

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infinity ag said:

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LMCane said:

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let's not forget that India has always been a "non-aligned" country and always backed the Soviet Union

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I don't blame them for that. The US is a fickle friend. We support terrorists like Saddam and fund evil countries like Pakistan (which harbored Osama). In 1971 we sent our war ships against India and Russia had to help them out during their war with Pakistan.

Them being non-aligned made sense to them at that time. Are you mad at them for thinking for themselves in their best interest (like we do here) and not being a slave state of the US?

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We are holding it against them for supporting our enemies.

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Okay.
They are also holding it against us for supporting their enemies (Pakistan and for long, China).

Which explains why they don't trust us and won't buy our arms because we have a habit of blackmailing people when they are vulnerable.

infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

---

It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

---

And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

---

Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

---

Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

---

Of the engineers I have worked with in my career that were Indian, I have met perhaps 3 total who were competent. The rest had no business being engineers.

None were even in the same stratosphere as the white engineers I have worked with over the years.

---

Back in the 1990s when they all had to get Masters Degrees from an American University to get hired, they were much higher quality.

The ones we're bringing over on H-1Bs these days - suck at a 99%+ rate.
And that 1 / 100 guy. He's as good as a regular American Engineer, not better.

---

I agree with your post. However I have a question. I have a theory but I want to hear your opinion.

If they suck at a 99% rate, why do we bring them in and keep bringing them in? Logically shouldn't we discard them after we know they suck?

---

Simply put, two reasons

1 - billable hours
2 - to work with other layers of useless Indians - i.e. you know the players - Wipro, Tata, HCL, Cognizant, etc.

More complex - high cost of living areas starting with The Bay Area

Indians will live 4 men to a room. Americans want their own apartment at the minimum. (although with the younger Gen Z set, struggle stories and having a roommate is more popular)

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I agree with all you say above and I have actually seen 4-5 people in a room in an apartment, all with laptops on the floor trying to find a "project" in 2002. Everything else you say is also right but it does not answer my question, or I did not understand your answer.


Scenario:
Imagine you are a US CEO of ABC corp. You have $1MM to invest in new employees.
1. You hire 10 high quality US employees at $100k. Total $1MM. Expected satisfaction: 95%.
2. You hire 20 low quality employees/contractors from India for $45k each. Total $900k. Expected satisfaction: 50%.

Put yourself in the shoes of a typical US CEO.
Which choice would you pick?
Why? I am interested in the reasoning as I think I know the choice.

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If you're a useless CEO without strategy and vision, you take option 2 to meet short term target. And if the quality sucks, there's a billion more people I can slide in.