Seems like the US doesn't want to drill baby drill and increase supply to offset the demand from India for Russian oil.

India doesn't want to temporarily boycott Russian oil to bankrupt Russia and help end the war.

Did I get that right? If so, something's gotta give.

Stone Choir said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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So how much money did you lose to Rajesh?
Fess up. I can feel your pain.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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We shifted everything to China, and started relying on them way too much.

Now with all the anti-China rhetoric, we're shifting everything to India and starting to rely on them too much.

Which country will it be after India?

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That is precisely why we need to be self-reliant and stop being slaves to other countries just to get our cheap junk.

Bring jobs in-house. Then show everyone the finger.

I have been tracking Indian analysts and they are all crowing about howmean Trump is and how US needs India and how American corporations will collapse without Indian back-office support.

Trump showed them how much leverage they actually have.

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We don't need India at all. The height of American innovation was before any of them were ever here.

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That is right. But we have greedy CEOs who have made us dependent on them. It is like a drug that is highly addictive. You take it because it makes you feel good at first. Then you absolutely want it and will kill to get it.

TheCurl84 said:

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How will Coppell survive?

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If we can survive all the student drivers then we can survive this.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

That all said, I completely SUPPORT Trump imposing 50% on India.

I also want H1B GONE and 50% tariff imposed on every single outsourced job to India.

You want to send jobs to India? Go right ahead. We will tax your pants off.

When we are at it, let's complete the job.

infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

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I see that you never took a statistics class.

Many corporate jobs are adult day care anyway, but I would rather Americans get them

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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Silicon Valley in CA is overrun by Indians have an average IQ of 79?
The doctor you just visited, Prakash Patel, has an estimated IQ of 79?
So many American companies with Indian CEOs are all dunderheads with average 79?

Or are you saying we just managed to capture the smart ones who pull up the average?
If that is the case you never worked in the IT industry.

Ma maan. Please. Believe that, if it makes you happy.

Logos Stick said:

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infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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So what you are saying is that we lose our high tech jobs to people with IQ 79?

What does that say about us? That we have IQ of 50?

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I see that you never took a statistics class.

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Come up with something better man.
We are losing our corporate sheet to a country with IQ 79 (as you claim) and you are feeling superior about it.

Anyway, no more OT from me.

The Indians are outraged and are hitting out but mainly focused on how mean Trump is. Their Govt has said that they will "hit back" but Trump has all the leverage.

Now remove H1B and tariff outsourcing and let's show them.

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TexasAggie73 said:

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What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

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Local CPA firm is outsourcing all their tax prep to India because they can't find any accountants for public accounting work anymore.

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That's actually a good use case for AI agents and not outsourcing...

infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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Silicon Valley in CA is overrun by Indians have an average IQ of 79?
The doctor you just visited, Prakash Patel, has an estimated IQ of 79?
So many American companies with Indian CEOs are all dunderheads with average 79?

Or are you saying we just managed to capture the smart ones who pull up the average?
If that is the case you never worked in the IT industry.

Ma maan. Please. Believe that, if it makes you happy.

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The doctors are bad, it's known and they don't think for themselves

TexAg1987 said:

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TexasAggie73 said:

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What products do we buy from India that we will now have to pay more for? If we really want to hurt India, we would stop hiring all their engineers and other professionals

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Local CPA firm is outsourcing all their tax prep to India because they can't find any accountants for public accounting work anymore.

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I find this hard to believe and there is no way in hell I would use a firm that did this. Are they telling their clients they are doing this?

Why wouldn't they partner with another firm somewhere else in the US?

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AJ02 said:

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We shifted everything to China, and started relying on them way too much.

Now with all the anti-China rhetoric, we're shifting everything to India and starting to rely on them too much.

Which country will it be after India?

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That is precisely why we need to be self-reliant and stop being slaves to other countries just to get our cheap junk.

Bring jobs in-house. Then show everyone the finger.

I have been tracking Indian analysts and they are all crowing about howmean Trump is and how US needs India and how American corporations will collapse without Indian back-office support.

Trump showed them how much leverage they actually have.

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I will say that one of our suppliers who relies almost exclusively on a mineral that 80%+ of the world's supply comes from China, and that only China has the capability to process in a very specific way....that supplier is now investing to set up a plant in the US that can now process it. Of course, I'm sure it'll take years to get done.

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We are a distributor who buys quite a bit from India - also US, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan, China. Some of this is dictated by our customers (must be made by a certain manufacturer), some of it is based on having the most capable manufacture make the products and yes some is based on lowest cost of acquisition.

Does everyone understand who is really paying these tariffs??

We (a US corporation) pay the tariffs on goods inbound and then we pass that increase on to our customers - who pass it on to their customers where it gets baked into the cost of necessary (not luxury) services provided to everyday Americans...who...guess what...will get to pay higher prices for those same services.

Yes, we are working to adapt to use sources in other countries where we can - but that doesn't happen overnight. Many of these products are engineering qualified through lengthy and expensive testing and customers are literally unable to change components in their equipment until they redo all of that testing - at great expense and time to them (again increasing costs).

Everyone can clap about this - and maybe it will end very good for US - I hope so. But these whipsaw policy/tariff changes are happening faster than the supply chain can react. Companies shifted to India after China az-ho...now they are getting whammied in India. Do they spend big money moving production again only to have that change?

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I'm in the same situation. I'm in supply chain and our customers have shifted most of their AMLs to foreign sources with almost no domestic options.

I've been living the tariff nightmare for 6 months now. Curious if we're in the same industry (I'm in valves and flow control)

infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 million idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 million below average intelligence walking around.

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Don't fall for the racist IQ nonsense. There is no way to judge the IQ of a population like that.


I wonder about the IQ of the people who believe these "surveys".

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Sure there is, PISA scores correlate with IQ very well and global PISA scores match up almost exactly with reported national average IQ scores.

India stopped the test years ago because they were second to last and didn't want to embarrass themselves further.

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Silicon Valley in CA is overrun by Indians have an average IQ of 79?
The doctor you just visited, Prakash Patel, has an estimated IQ of 79?
So many American companies with Indian CEOs are all dunderheads with average 79?

Or are you saying we just managed to capture the smart ones who pull up the average?
If that is the case you never worked in the IT industry.

Ma maan. Please. Believe that, if it makes you happy.

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The first 15 years of prime Indian immigration 90-2005 we were getting the top 1% of that country's 1 billion people. How do I know? I'm friends with some of them. Now if you look at the more recent Indians we are getting folks lower down the scale. How do I know? I go to Costco in Lewisville.

Now that they can do the jobs from India, the smart ones stay and live like kings while organizing the mob. The next 5% now send their kids here to move up the ladder through our schools while the h1s are bringing in the ones somewhere lower on their scale.

Sweet... now maybe when I call the help desk I'll get a guy named Robert from Texas that I can understand.

If you can understand an Indian immigrant, they went to a good school back in India. If you can't understand them, then they are just 1 of out of a billion.

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I'm in the same situation. I'm in supply chain and our customers have shifted most of their AMLs to foreign sources with almost no domestic options.

I've been living the tariff nightmare for 6 months now. Curious if we're in the same industry (I'm in valves and flow control)

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Your industry is a major customer base for our products - rubber and plastic seals (orings, packing, etc).

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mm98 said:

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I'm in the same situation. I'm in supply chain and our customers have shifted most of their AMLs to foreign sources with almost no domestic options.

I've been living the tariff nightmare for 6 months now. Curious if we're in the same industry (I'm in valves and flow control)

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Your industry is a major customer base for our products - rubber and plastic seals (orings, packing, etc).

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Ah. So you're raising prices on me. Great. Thanks.

Ha...good one!!!

Now, I thought we had established that neither one of us was the boogeyman and that we were both struggling with the crap cards we've been dealt. Hang in there - it'll get better but maybe worse before then. LOL.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If I never have to talk to someone in an Indian call center ever again, my life will be complete.

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Same here. Especially when you're trying to talk to someone and finally get past the automated system labyrinth only to end up with someone that you can barely understand.

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Move to Frisco. Somehow the Indian population has grown like 5,000% here.

I work in the Architecture-Engineering space where my company and our competitors design critical infrastructure for private and public companies around the country. Examples include roadways, water treatment plants, water pipelines, oil and gas pipelines, power plants, and power lines. Some of our competitors are offshoring the design of critical American infrastructure to India. I am not aware of any laws that forbid it, but it seems like a bad idea, potentially a national security risk to send that type of work to India - just to save a buck, while simultaneously taking work from Texans/Americans.

If I were making laws or even a director or senior leader at a DOT, water utility, or electric utility, I would put an end to all offshoring design of critical infrastructure.

Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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Wishful thinking.
Yes, many Indians (especially in engineerin) are very rigid in their thinking, worked with Indian based IT companies for a long time. I had a revelation about 10 years ago, when I worked with a small Indian firm who's developers were intelligent and very forthright - if they didn't get something they'd actually ask clarifying questions, till they understood the requirements. And then delivered on time, and 1/6th the cost. That's when I knew we were in trouble.

Been working extensively with them for 20+ years (Fortune 50 always looking for "productivity") and what you describe here is 1 in 20 at best in my dealings as far as able to ask good questions, creatively problem solve, and add real value. Most just travel in packs of idiocy. Any "productivity" is because we are paying 20% the price for 40-50% the quality of work (at best). Most of the time, if you are ever lucky enough to find a good one who knows what he's doing, he ends up absolutely overwhelmed because everyone has to go to him to make any progress at all.

I'll put my 2 cents in on foreign workers in the US and outsourcing jobs. I left A&M in December of '73 and went to work in the petrochem engineering business in January '74. My career lasted until October of '20.

Over the years the number of immigrants grew slowly but surely until the '00s when it started to really increase. Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, Japanese, Taiwanese, Russians, English, Dutch, different South American and Central American countries, Mexicans, Africans, Carribean Islanders; all of them of varying abilities and skills.

The first personal interaction I had with outsourcing was in 2004, although some other projects had done "workshare" before that. The last project I was on that I had to interface with them I left in July of 2018. During that time, the percent of work sent overseas grew from about 10% to over 60% of our estimated budgets, with the home office engineering limited to "spot checking" and complex items like control valves, safety/relief valves and analyzers. Of course, we also had to manage the entire project, estimate, schedule and make all the reports. Our hours also included site surveys and site representation. Was the quality better at the end than at the beginning? Of course, but there was still a lot of rework that had to be done on the finished products.

I enjoyed meeting many of the folks in the Mumbai office, as several came here to learn our work process, and I had two trips there to meet and provide guidance to their staff. They were mostly nice and easy to work with, but absolutely no one would take any risks and do anything that required thinking or acting on their own. Every step of the way had to be directed and reinforced to get anything done. The vendors hated working with them on bid requisitions and purchase requisitions.

With that being said, I complained the entire time and tried as hard as possible to keep more work here; management didn't want to hear it and eventually laid out that any more complaining would be detrimental to our careers. After that we fudged as best we could, but it was a losing cause.

Got dammit Appu.. quit f ing up

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Been working extensively with them for 20+ years (Fortune 50 always looking for "productivity") and what you describe here is 1 in 20 at best in my dealings as far as able to ask good questions, creatively problem solve, and add real value. Most just travel in packs of idiocy. Any "productivity" is because we are paying 20% the price for 40-50% the quality of work (at best). Most of the time, if you are ever lucky enough to find a good one who knows what he's doing, he ends up absolutely overwhelmed because everyone has to go to him to make any progress at all.

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Yes, probably true. I usually have recruited my own teams, so we pay a lot of attention to problem solving abilities as opposed to certifications (faked), GPA (LOL) or years of experience (also faked)

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Now block all their IPs and telephones so we can stop scammers as well

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Your computer has a Wirus

Contracts with Indian companies/individuals are merely suggestions at best.

I've seen many gc's and subs get hosed building motels/hotels

Krombopulos Michael said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Trump has all the leverage. India has had it's chance to make a deal and is finding out what happens when you cross him. I expect them to come to the table in the near future and agree to Trump's terms, and thank him for the opportunity.

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Trump has zero leverage. FIFY......

They have 1.5 Billion faces to feed. Cheap oil is the only way to keep their economy afloat. This will force them to choose a side. They'll turn to BRICS before the west. Keep the call centers going or keep the lights on. It's a pretty easy choice.


Of course the Indians will make some concessions to Trump (and he'll scream that he won) but they will still continue to buy Russian oil via proxies.

Trump will have to start a war before they stop buying oil from Russia.

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It is not about Trump having leverage. Trump is trying to get India to stop helping fund the Russian's war in Ukraine.

JB93 said:

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mm98 said:

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I'm in the same situation. I'm in supply chain and our customers have shifted most of their AMLs to foreign sources with almost no domestic options.

I've been living the tariff nightmare for 6 months now. Curious if we're in the same industry (I'm in valves and flow control)

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Your industry is a major customer base for our products - rubber and plastic seals (orings, packing, etc).

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I suspect I'm in the same industry but further upstream.

infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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deddog said:

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Logos Stick said:

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nortex97 said:

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India is a very poor country with a horrible government, and an enormous economy/population. They basically have the worst of British autocracy without any of the benefits of an educated and prosperous middle class.

I am curious how this one plays out, as I am not sure they even have a capacity to meet what Trump might demand. And yes, I know their trade barriers/tariffs etc. are and have been horrid.

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It's not surprising.

IQ: 70-79 Borderline Intellectual Functioning

That is where the mean IQ of India falls. Since its a normal curve, you literally have 700 billion idiots walking around over there. You have another 500 billion below average walking around.

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And yet tens of thousands of jobs continue to be outsourced to India annually.

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Because the entire thing is a scam. Indians are the scamming race.

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So how much money did you lose to Rajesh?
Fess up. I can feel your pain.

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Nothing, I've never lost money to scams but I've also never met an Indian who didn't behave like this at some point in time.