GeorgiAg said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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I'm fine with a company pulling someone off the air because of complaints from advertisers, viewers, etc. Government even merely suggesting a company do it is a red line.

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Well said.

CK was murdered and it was wrong and should be condemned.

Anyone celebrating the murder should be condemned.

A television personality overdoing it and upsetting advertisers, etc. and a company terminating him/her is fine. "Read the room" type deal.

Trump saying, publicly, that they are going to "pull the license" of networks that criticize him too much is authoritarian strong man garbage. The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated in the 1980s by Reagan. A show can blast 100% of the time against Obama, Biden, Trump, DeSantis, Newsome, whomever they want. We have defamation laws to police that if it goes too far. The threat of "pulling their license" is as bad as actually doing it. That is third-world country authoritarian strong man type bull*****

Where's the order? is as dumb as pointing a gun in someone's face but then saying, "where's the bullet?"

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I really have no problem with someone cracking a whip at the MSM propaganda outlets. They've spread lies for the Democrats for decades and had a major influence on the low-IQ trans and gay people that have done many school shootings and now the assasination of Charlie Kirk, one of the greatest proponents of free speech we have ever seen.

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A nut job killed CK, so now our government is going to act like China, Russia, North Korea, etc... and shut all media it doesn't like down because Dear Leader is thin skinned and can't handle criticism.

So even after the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine, you would have been fine if they "cracked the whip" and shut down Fox News when it started up?

Apparently, the Free Speech and "let the market handle it" guys are fine with big government authoritarianism now.

And I'll say again, Kimmel deserved to be fired. Anyone who crossed the line with CK deserved to be fired by their employer. The government using this as a reason to use laws that were repealed to attack the First Amendment is not ok.

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So far we had an FCC chair say something stupid and our dumb AG who has hoof in mouth disease. But I haven't seen an actual example of it yet so I'm not concerned. Just like when Trump says something stupid which is fairly often for hyperbole. Actions first.

This fundamental lack of a understanding the first amendment, and ALL of our rights for that matter, is indicative of where our educational system is. It is by design.

you are intentionally conflating 2 different discussions.
Yes the FCC does have the authority to address factually incorrect statements.
And what Trump is discussing there is a different topic.

See my post just above. Kimmel firing is fine. His employer did that.

Trump said, in his own words, to "pull the license" of networks that criticize him too much. That's not free market, that's Big Government.

Television are the modern "town square."

Libs are intentionally conflating "Free Speech" with the market forces that re-act to offensive speech by removing/firing the offender. Acting like POTUS or anyone in the gov't can't share a negative opinion about that offensive speech without it being considered an attach on free speech is just silly.

It's not like Trump is sending the FBI to ABC to lean on them like they did with FB and the Hunter laptop story that they knew was true. Now that is actual gov't suppression of free speech to keep the truth from being spread.

txwxman said:

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"the FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the 'public interest.'"

Source? Some no-name Lib named Brendan Carr

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The FCC did not police speech. Affiliate stations, and subsequently his employer, did not want to be associated with outright lies about a political assassination. HTH

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Apollo79 said:

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Still not seeing the government shutting down free speech. I'll hang up and listen

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You're fine with State media?

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Obviously you are, because I've never seen you object to the absolute one-sided presentations of ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, and NPR. Fox (The network, not Fox News) is also critical of Republicans, though their presentation is much more fair in calling balls & strikes.

ALL of these platforms are publicly funded, and licenses are granted using MY tax dollars as well as yours.

I'm actually offended that all of the left was so on board with "misinformation" narratives under the previous administration in order to shut down commentary that the left didn't like, but now all that is forgotten in the name of FREE SPEECH when outright lies are perpetrated on public airwaves in order to be hostile to the right.

You can't have it both ways!

GeorgiAg said:

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Apollo79 said:

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Still not seeing the government shutting down free speech. I'll hang up and listen

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You're fine with State media? Pulling the license of all the networks who publish criticism you don't like results in State media.

Not posting this for the tweet or whatever lib posted it, but for the audio of Donald Trump. He said it.

The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated by Ronald Reagan. A network is allowed to "hit Trump" and have that be "all they do." That is LEGAL.

Kimmel being fired had nothing to do with the First Amendment. What Trump just said does. That is the government shutting down speech in the current town square, i.e., people's TV sets. Bad Trump.

D. Trump declares that media outlets that constantly criticize him daily should potentially lose their license. Journalists describe an atmosphere of fear in newsrooms.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL‼️if you do nothing you are complicit.
pic.twitter.com/d9JGXSQBei

— TheFrenchie (@ML3democrats) September 19, 2025

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Boo f-ing hoo. Have you not seen the posts here about Schumer, AOC and Jefferies threatening to shut down Fox News? Your side started this and now we play by your rules. No more one set of rules for libs and a different set of rules for conservatives.

The fairness doctrine is no more, but the Equal Time rules are still on the books:

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The FCC's "equal time" or "equal opportunity" rule, based on Section 315 of the Communications Act, requires broadcast stations to provide equivalent access to all legally qualified candidates for a given public office if they allow any candidate to use their facilities. This applies to federal, state, and local elections and includes both free airtime and opportunities to purchase advertising.

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Actually enforcing rules on the books is not authoritarian in any way.

captkirk said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Apollo79 said:

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Still not seeing the government shutting down free speech. I'll hang up and listen

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You're fine with State media? Pulling the license of all the networks who publish criticism you don't like results in State media.

Not posting this for the tweet or whatever lib posted it, but for the audio of Donald Trump. He said it.

The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated by Ronald Reagan. A network is allowed to "hit Trump" and have that be "all they do." That is LEGAL.

Kimmel being fired had nothing to do with the First Amendment. What Trump just said does. That is the government shutting down speech in the current town square, i.e., people's TV sets. Bad Trump.

D. Trump declares that media outlets that constantly criticize him daily should potentially lose their license. Journalists describe an atmosphere of fear in newsrooms.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL‼️if you do nothing you are complicit.
pic.twitter.com/d9JGXSQBei

— TheFrenchie (@ML3democrats) September 19, 2025

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Boo f-ing hoo. Have you not seen the posts here about Schumer, AOC and Jefferies threatening to shut down Fox News? Your side started this and now we play by your rules. No more one set of rules for libs and a different set of rules for conservatives.

The fairness doctrine is no more, but the Equal Time rules are still on the books:

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The FCC's "equal time" or "equal opportunity" rule, based on Section 315 of the Communications Act, requires broadcast stations to provide equivalent access to all legally qualified candidates for a given public office if they allow any candidate to use their facilities. This applies to federal, state, and local elections and includes both free airtime and opportunities to purchase advertising.

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Actually enforcing rules on the books is not authoritarian in any way.

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Equal time =/= Fairness Doctrine.

Trump is not a "candidate." He won the election and is the President of the US.

GeorgiAg said:

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See my post just above. Kimmel firing is fine. His employer did that.

Trump said, in his own words, to "pull the license" of networks that criticize him too much. That's not free market, that's Big Government.

Television are the modern "town square."

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Trump is allowed to have his opinion, too. Sorry you don't like it.

FYI, it's not about "criticizing him too much." That's a strawman. We all watched in the last administration when these same networks did not criticize, but rather covered for Biden. Now, it's criticizm of EVERYTHING Trump does. He can literally do NO right in their eyes.

They're fine criticizing Trump. But call balls & strikes. Give him some credit when credit is due. Take an occasional look at the left with something other than fawning envy. Be fair to everyone. But above all, do NOT knowingly lie and misrepresent in order to attack one side.

Otherwise, go to another platform that is not leased and regulated by the FCC.

GeorgiAg said:

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captkirk said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Apollo79 said:

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Still not seeing the government shutting down free speech. I'll hang up and listen

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You're fine with State media? Pulling the license of all the networks who publish criticism you don't like results in State media.

Not posting this for the tweet or whatever lib posted it, but for the audio of Donald Trump. He said it.

The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated by Ronald Reagan. A network is allowed to "hit Trump" and have that be "all they do." That is LEGAL.

Kimmel being fired had nothing to do with the First Amendment. What Trump just said does. That is the government shutting down speech in the current town square, i.e., people's TV sets. Bad Trump.

D. Trump declares that media outlets that constantly criticize him daily should potentially lose their license. Journalists describe an atmosphere of fear in newsrooms.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL‼️if you do nothing you are complicit.
pic.twitter.com/d9JGXSQBei

— TheFrenchie (@ML3democrats) September 19, 2025

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Boo f-ing hoo. Have you not seen the posts here about Schumer, AOC and Jefferies threatening to shut down Fox News? Your side started this and now we play by your rules. No more one set of rules for libs and a different set of rules for conservatives.

The fairness doctrine is no more, but the Equal Time rules are still on the books:

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The FCC's "equal time" or "equal opportunity" rule, based on Section 315 of the Communications Act, requires broadcast stations to provide equivalent access to all legally qualified candidates for a given public office if they allow any candidate to use their facilities. This applies to federal, state, and local elections and includes both free airtime and opportunities to purchase advertising.

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Actually enforcing rules on the books is not authoritarian in any way.

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Equal time =/= Fairness Doctrine.

Trump is not a "candidate." He won the election and is the President of the US.

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Look at the political guests on Colbert and Kimmel. You think the right got equal time. Please show the receipts.

Every politician is a "candidate" unless they are term limited. Trump was a "candidate" from 2014 to 2024.

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Libs are intentionally conflating "Free Speech" with the market forces that re-act to offensive speech by removing/firing the offender. Acting like POTUS or anyone in the gov't can't share a negative opinion about that offensive speech without it being considered an attach on free speech is just silly.

It's not like Trump is sending the FBI to ABC to lean on them like they did with FB and the Hunter laptop story that they knew was true. Now that is actual gov't suppression of free speech to keep the truth from being spread.

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It is also not like Biden & the swamp having people retire from public service to take a high level job at Twitter to then deplatform regular people, celebrities, and/or former Presidents who made comments that was not serving of the left.

And yes, you are absolutely correct. What we're seeing today is basically an attempt to silence the administration from stating an opinion.

GeorgiAg said:

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Apollo79 said:

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Still not seeing the government shutting down free speech. I'll hang up and listen

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You're fine with State media? Pulling the license of all the networks who publish criticism you don't like results in State media.

Not posting this for the tweet or whatever lib posted it, but for the audio of Donald Trump. He said it.

The Fairness Doctrine was eliminated by Ronald Reagan. A network is allowed to "hit Trump" and have that be "all they do." That is LEGAL.

Kimmel being fired had nothing to do with the First Amendment. What Trump just said does. That is the government shutting down speech in the current town square, i.e., people's TV sets. Bad Trump.

D. Trump declares that media outlets that constantly criticize him daily should potentially lose their license. Journalists describe an atmosphere of fear in newsrooms.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL‼️if you do nothing you are complicit.
pic.twitter.com/d9JGXSQBei

— TheFrenchie (@ML3democrats) September 19, 2025

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Did you even listen to the audio in the tween you quoted? He never said "pull their licenses."

jrdaustin said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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See my post just above. Kimmel firing is fine. His employer did that.

Trump said, in his own words, to "pull the license" of networks that criticize him too much. That's not free market, that's Big Government.

Television are the modern "town square."

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Trump is allowed to have his opinion, too. Sorry you don't like it.

FYI, it's not about "criticizing him too much." That's a strawman. We all watched in the last administration when these same networks did not criticize, but rather covered for Biden. Now, it's criticizm of EVERYTHING Trump does. He can literally do NO right in their eyes.

They're fine criticizing Trump. But call balls & strikes. Give him some credit when credit is due. Take an occasional look at the left with something other than fawning envy. Be fair to everyone. But above all, do NOT knowingly lie and misrepresent in order to attack one side.

Otherwise, go to another platform that is not leased and regulated by the FCC.

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Who is the arbiter of calling "balls and strikes"? FCC which is under... checks notes... ah, Donald J. Trump.

If he gets absolute control over speech on this, you think he'll stop at TV?


You guys act like you never listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast or watched Fox News at night.


MSNBC was pro Obama, Biden, Kamala.
FOX bashed them nonstop. FOX even got sued and had to pay close to a billion dollars for lies about the election.

MSNBC bashes Trump non-stop
FOX is pro Trump non-stop.

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If you want genuine discourse, come with a take that's not objectively wrong.

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Okay, big dog

I'm done playing chess with pigeons

you listened to the recording where he's talking about their licensing and they criticize him too much and came away with that? We can't have a constructive argument.

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that's something that should be talked about for licensing too. When you have a network and you have evening shows and all they do is hit Trump," the president continued.
"All they do is hit Trump. They're licensed. They're not allowed to do that,

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GeorgiAg said:

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jrdaustin said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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See my post just above. Kimmel firing is fine. His employer did that.

Trump said, in his own words, to "pull the license" of networks that criticize him too much. That's not free market, that's Big Government.

Television are the modern "town square."

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Trump is allowed to have his opinion, too. Sorry you don't like it.

FYI, it's not about "criticizing him too much." That's a strawman. We all watched in the last administration when these same networks did not criticize, but rather covered for Biden. Now, it's criticizm of EVERYTHING Trump does. He can literally do NO right in their eyes.

They're fine criticizing Trump. But call balls & strikes. Give him some credit when credit is due. Take an occasional look at the left with something other than fawning envy. Be fair to everyone. But above all, do NOT knowingly lie and misrepresent in order to attack one side.

Otherwise, go to another platform that is not leased and regulated by the FCC.

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Who is the arbiter of calling "balls and strikes"? FCC which is under... checks notes... ah, Donald J. Trump.

If he gets absolute control over speech on this, you think he'll stop at TV?


You guys act like you never listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast or watched Fox News at night.


MSNBC was pro Obama, Biden, Kamala.
FOX bashed them nonstop. FOX even got sued and had to pay close to a billion dollars for lies about the election.

MSNBC bashes Trump non-stop
FOX is pro Trump non-stop.

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Did you see where I pointed out that FOX network is =/= Fox News? One is cable, while the other is public airwaves leased by the FCC. They're not the same. Stop trying to convince us that they are.

And your TDS blinds you to the fact that with many of the broadcast networks now, there ARE no balls being called. Haven't been any for a long time. Just strikes.

As for your following hyperbole, just more TDS.

Here's an idea. Try to have some of these networks at least try to be somewhat fair - not according to Trump, but to 100% of the public, including me - and not so blatantly one-sided. You should be happy, we've allowed a pass for a long time because the left was successful in desensitizing us to the extent that we ignored the blatant partisanship. But now, Charlie Kirk is dead because of that rhetoric, and what does Kimmel do? He ratchets it up another notch.

Enough already.

You didn't listen to the recording but just changed it. How can we have honest discourse when you do that?

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Did you even listen to the audio in the tween you quoted? He never said "pull their licenses."

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That's what you said. This is what Trump said in the recording.

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that's something that should be talked about for licensing too. When you have a network and you have evening shows and all they do is hit Trump," "All they do is hit Trump. They're licensed. They're not allowed to do that,

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GeorgiAg said:

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You didn't listen to the recording but just changed it. How can we have honest discourse when you do that?

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You quoted a tweet that misconstrued what the audio said. The audio said "they're licensed, they shouldn't be allowed to do that." Where does that say that Trump is going to have their licenses pulled? What it sounded more like was that them being licensed means they should be held to a higher standard of not spreading lies like the MSM does constantly.

GeorgiAg said:

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You didn't listen to the recording but just changed it. How can we have honest discourse when you do that?

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I listened to it.

"When you have a network, and you have evening shows, and ALL they do is hit Trump..."

What about that statement is incorrect? Can you point me to a single time that they complimented Trump? I can't. Again, MSNBC & CNN are cable networks. They can do whatever the hell they want, and have the deserved ratings to show for it.

ABC & CBS are public airways. They should not be used to be a mouthpiece for the DNC, and they ABSOLUTELY should not demonstrably lie in order to do so.

So yes, their licenses should be looked at if that's what they are resorting to. You calling it authoritarian is just whining TDS.

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GeorgiAg said:

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You didn't listen to the recording but just changed it. How can we have honest discourse when you do that?

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I listened to it.

"When you have a network, and you have evening shows, and ALL they do is hit Trump..."

What about that statement is incorrect? Can you point me to a single time that they complimented Trump? I can't. Again, MSNBC & CNN are cable networks. They can do whatever the hell they want, and have the deserved ratings to show for it.

ABC & CBS are public airways. They should not be used to be a mouthpiece for the DNC, and they ABSOLUTELY should not demonstrably lie in order to do so.

So yes, their licenses should be looked at if that's what they are resorting to. You calling it authoritarian is just whining TDS.

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The Fairness Doctrine was abolished by Reagan. It is LEGAL to "hit" Trump all the time. They don't have to praise him once a week, once a month or ever. They don't have to be "fair." Nor does Fox or Newsmax. You just cannot lie.

If it is false, and defamatory, he can sue them. Which he did and got them to pay up recently.

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Kimmel LIED, was about to go on and do it AGAIN, and his bosses said NO. Not Trump. You're crying is not gonna change that.

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I've said 11ty billion times that the firing of Kimmel was justified and not done by Trump. It has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment or free speech. It was a business decision by ABC. Kimmel was being an ass, every night and ABC does not just have left wingers in all their markets. His numbers were declining so he was canned.

I am not a fan of Kimmel, nor will I listen to or watch wherever he goes.


I've been happy with Trump on almost everything he's done since he's come in office, but he's wrong with what he said.

He expressed an opinion. He gave no order.

Yes, I agree with you. He did not.

He says a lot of crazy stuff, and I've learned (mostly) to look at his actions. I am recovering from TDS but I guess I am having a flare up. Forgive me. I'm gonna go take my Valtrex, now.

Trump is an absolute master of public opinion and discourse. Like no other president in our history.

GeorgiAg said:

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jrdaustin said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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You didn't listen to the recording but just changed it. How can we have honest discourse when you do that?

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I listened to it.

"When you have a network, and you have evening shows, and ALL they do is hit Trump..."

What about that statement is incorrect? Can you point me to a single time that they complimented Trump? I can't. Again, MSNBC & CNN are cable networks. They can do whatever the hell they want, and have the deserved ratings to show for it.

ABC & CBS are public airways. They should not be used to be a mouthpiece for the DNC, and they ABSOLUTELY should not demonstrably lie in order to do so.

So yes, their licenses should be looked at if that's what they are resorting to. You calling it authoritarian is just whining TDS.

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The Fairness Doctrine was abolished by Reagan. It is LEGAL to "hit" Trump all the time. They don't have to praise him once a week, once a month or ever. They don't have to be "fair." Nor does Fox or Newsmax. You just cannot lie.

If it is false, and defamatory, he can sue them. Which he did and got them to pay up recently.

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It is LEGAL to "hit" Trump all the time on cable networks, or on podcasts; but, it is arguably also against FCC rules to do it on publicly funded airways. Granted, it hasn't been litigated, but it is a valid argument.

It definitely IS against FCC rules to knowingly lie and gaslight the public in order to harm a public official on public airways. That was the point Trump was making. He doesn't have to sue them. They have a lease for use of public airways.

I heard a great example on a simulcast of Charlie Kirk's and Megyn Kelly's broadcast. The guest stated that suppose a tour guide company is granted a license at Yellowstone to give tours, with the rules that they cannot harm wildlife or the park, and they cannot disparage guests. One tour company has a guide that does both. The Parks Department has every right to threaten the license of the tour guide company if they fail to get control of their rogue guide. I totally agree with this analogy.

Trump sued CBS - and won - because of lies Stephanopoulos told. But Kimmel didn't take the hint. And he didn't just disparage Trump. He lied in order to disparage all of Trump's (and Kirk's) supporters as well. Kimmel escalated in the immediate aftermath of a public political assassination, and refused to apologize for it. Trump is well within the bounds of REASONABLE government to suggest that failure to control such commentary comes with a risk.

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You still harping on this? Get over it. Trump nor anybody else in his administration "ordered" Kimmel off the air. You need to get away from trash sources.

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If it was "ordered" there will be a bread crumb trail of emails and other digital information to follow.

I agree with what you said. MSM does lie all the time and they are very unfair to Trump. It is illegal for them to lie about him and they should be looked at for that.

"Being fair" - no.

Sorry, I have TDS flare ups from time to time.

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Rockdoc said:

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You still harping on this? Get over it. Trump nor anybody else in his administration "ordered" Kimmel off the air. You need to get away from trash sources.

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If it was "ordered" there will be a bread crumb trail of emails and other digital information to follow.

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Agreed. People need to realize Trump is going to shoot his mouth off about everything. This is no different. He says what's on his mind for better or worse.