Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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The entire damned population didn't just lose self control overnight.

We poisoned people.

We poisoned people with cheap corn based ingredients like high fructose corn syrup stuffed in every food imaginable, and federal guidelines like the food pyramid that told people eating real food like red meat, butter, and eggs was unhealthy.

We did it to buy votes from key lobbies and pay back donors.

The GLP1s are good drugs. They do a lot to help fix the damage our policies have caused. Make em cheap, get America healthy again, start repairing the damage our foolish government policies enabled.

Once that's done, let's start repairing the hormonal damage we've done to the populace as well. We're a freak show of low T men and depressed women on hormonal birth control. RFK's a nut but he might be worth something here.

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We lost a lot of discipline overnight. A lot of sedentary jobs make people sit at a desk all day instead of doing manual labor. There are many many more modern conveniences that contribute to less movement (cell phones, Netflix, video games, etc). All of that coupled with the ease of over eating. You can door dash, get fast food at every corner...

Some people with discipline choose not to take the easy road. Everyone has a choice. Don't watch too much TV, walk around at work every once in a while and don't eat garbage. It's really not anyone else's fault, no matter how much people try to say that it is. It's the man in the mirror

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Talk about discipline all you want, that fat kid in the school lunch line didn't choose any of it. His future was decided long before he even understood what was on his tray. So yeah, maybe some lazy *******s benefit too, I don't care. Let's start undoing the damage our own policies have caused.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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The entire damned population didn't just lose self control overnight.

We poisoned people.

We poisoned people with cheap corn based ingredients like high fructose corn syrup stuffed in every food imaginable, and federal guidelines like the food pyramid that told people eating real food like red meat, butter, and eggs was unhealthy.

We did it to buy votes from key lobbies and pay back donors.

The GLP1s are good drugs. They do a lot to help fix the damage our policies have caused. Make em cheap, get America healthy again, start repairing the damage our foolish government policies enabled.

Once that's done, let's start repairing the hormonal damage we've done to the populace as well. We're a freak show of low T men and depressed women on hormonal birth control. RFK's a nut but he might be worth something here.

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We lost a lot of discipline overnight. A lot of sedentary jobs make people sit at a desk all day instead of doing manual labor. There are many many more modern conveniences that contribute to less movement (cell phones, Netflix, video games, etc). All of that coupled with the ease of over eating. You can door dash, get fast food at every corner...

Some people with discipline choose not to take the easy road. Everyone has a choice. Don't watch too much TV, walk around at work every once in a while and don't eat garbage. It's really not anyone else's fault, no matter how much people try to say that it is. It's the man in the mirror

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Who gives a rat's ass whose fault it is? Helping those who are obese lose weight is not only doing them a favor, but also providing some relief for our ever-more-expensive health plans. And for a lot of overweight people, they're going to get those drugs anyway, because many of them are high risk for diabetes, which is what those drugs were originally prescribed for.

For the first time in human history, we live in a time and a country where food is more abundant and cheaper than we need. Add to that all the processed food and it's just too easy to be overweight. Talk about discipline all you want, when fatty and sweet foods are abundant and relatively cheap, our nature is to eat.

Throw in Ozempic and the obesity rate is actually dropping for the first time. It's a good thing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/the-ozempic-effect-is-finally-showing-up-in-obesity-data/ar-AA1PCKwn?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=690e3e37f3814814854ad871a54ba9c8&ei=51

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Vepp said:

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Obesity drugs.

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Please explain the hate. It would cost effective to ship these drugs for free to every obese person on SNAP and Medicaid or receiving large ObamaCare subsidies and require weigh ins every 6 months.

Would save hundreds of billions of dollars.

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It would cost less to give them healthy food to begin with and not suffer the long term consequences of the unknown effects of the drug or the fact that as soon as the stop they are fat again.

TacoKitKat said:

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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The entire damned population didn't just lose self control overnight.

We poisoned people.

We poisoned people with cheap corn based ingredients like high fructose corn syrup stuffed in every food imaginable, and federal guidelines like the food pyramid that told people eating real food like red meat, butter, and eggs was unhealthy.

We did it to buy votes from key lobbies and pay back donors.

The GLP1s are good drugs. They do a lot to help fix the damage our policies have caused. Make em cheap, get America healthy again, start repairing the damage our foolish government policies enabled.

Once that's done, let's start repairing the hormonal damage we've done to the populace as well. We're a freak show of low T men and depressed women on hormonal birth control. RFK's a nut but he might be worth something here.

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We lost a lot of discipline overnight. A lot of sedentary jobs make people sit at a desk all day instead of doing manual labor. There are many many more modern conveniences that contribute to less movement (cell phones, Netflix, video games, etc). All of that coupled with the ease of over eating. You can door dash, get fast food at every corner...

Some people with discipline choose not to take the easy road. Everyone has a choice. Don't watch too much TV, walk around at work every once in a while and don't eat garbage. It's really not anyone else's fault, no matter how much people try to say that it is. It's the man in the mirror

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Talk about discipline all you want, that fat kid in the school lunch line didn't choose any of it. His future was decided long before he even understood what was on his tray. So yeah, maybe some lazy *******s benefit too, I don't care. Let's start undoing the damage our own policies have caused.

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The private companies that provide the horrible food to the schools will have their Lobbyists lined up in DC the second the issue is even brought up.

Don't get me wrong, you're 100% right that what schools offer contributes to this problem, but like most things in this country, private companies make too much money to allow things to get fixed, because to do so means they will lose out on government contract money.

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Obesity drugs.

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They become weight loss drugs, but they're really for high blood sugar. And yes, there is a connection but it is becoming abused as a weight loss drug for people that really don't need it. I just wanna lose like 10 or 15 pounds. This is supposed to be for high blood sugar/diabetes 2

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Obesity drugs.

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They become weight loss drugs, but they're really for high blood sugar. And yes, there is a connection but it is becoming abused as a weight loss drug for people that really don't need it. I just wanna lose like 10 or 15 pounds. This is supposed to be for high blood sugar/diabetes 2

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A lot of drugs were invented for one use and found to be useful in another. Both things can be done at the same time. Plus, most Type 2 Diabetes is due to being overweight, so it's a twofer.

Rogaine, Viagara… lots of drugs… and those condemning "fat people" for taking Ozempic rely on those drugs to have any fun at all in their lives.

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Rogaine, Viagara… lots of drugs… and those condemning "fat people" for taking Ozempic rely on those drugs to have any fun at all in their lives.

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I am an insulin dependent diabetic. have been for 35 years. Its an autoimmune disease that destroyed my pancreas and means I have to take insulin every day to live. If we suddenly found out that insulin could treat something else, like dementia or whatever, I wouldn't be whining that Insulin is only for me.

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Those of us who have spent years being self disciplined and putting in the work and putting down the fork are a little irritated.

Big brother never subsidized most of the costs of my gym membership and workout equipment. Not one cent was eligible until just this past year even for HSA spending.

But, I won't spite it too much as a taxpayer and someone who is obligated to purchase or have health insurance. If it can artificially make a lot of the health disaster high cost insurance rate exploding obese population more healthy and therefore less chronically costly to the overall health care system, then that is good. As a former fat guy, I know how addictive engineered food can be and how hard it is to battle your own biology with willpower alone. If those drugs make the path towards better overall health possible for more people then that is great. I hope in losing some weight, they get inspired to also get more fit with exercise and a better diet also.

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As someone that needs to work on this I wish I could use FSA or Rx discount on something like Factor so they can just send me healthy food as I get lazy and eat out sometimes.

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Rogaine, Viagara… lots of drugs… and those condemning "fat people" for taking Ozempic rely on those drugs to have any fun at all in their lives.

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I am an insulin dependent diabetic. have been for 35 years. Its an autoimmune disease that destroyed my pancreas and means I have to take insulin every day to live. If we suddenly found out that insulin could treat something else, like dementia or whatever, I wouldn't be whining that Insulin is only for me.

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I've taken insulin for 20. I am essentially a type 1 but don't have the autoimmune aspect. My pancreas just decided it didn't like producing much insulin then none at all.

I have noticed an overall wellness improvement and not just from the weight loss.

Never understood why people are hating on these drugs. You can be wary, risk averse to them, etc. But those saying this is just a way for fatty to take a shortcut around eating better and exercising are ill informed, bitter and maybe just a little smooth in the brain.

They would do well to educate themselves.

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slaughtr said:

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Rogaine, Viagara… lots of drugs… and those condemning "fat people" for taking Ozempic rely on those drugs to have any fun at all in their lives.

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I am an insulin dependent diabetic. have been for 35 years. Its an autoimmune disease that destroyed my pancreas and means I have to take insulin every day to live. If we suddenly found out that insulin could treat something else, like dementia or whatever, I wouldn't be whining that Insulin is only for me.

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I've taken insulin for 20. I am essentially a type 1 but don't have the autoimmune aspect. My pancreas just decided it didn't like producing much insulin then none at all.

I have noticed an overall wellness improvement and not just from the weight loss.

Never understood why people are hating on these drugs. You can be wary, risk averse to them, etc. But those saying this is just a way for fatty to take a shortcut around eating better and exercising are ill informed, bitter and maybe just a little smooth in the brain.

They would do well to educate themselves.

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If you take insulin and don't already do this, get a Dexcom and an Omnipod 5. Man, it's changed my life. It's like I'm not even a diabetic anymore.

I have had the Dexcom since the G5 days. Game changer.

I should do a pump, but I read a novel years back where the healthcare company was offing patients by manipulating the glucose sensor vs pump.

I don't need some Mamdani worshipper deciding my politics and faith don't meet the criteria and they issue the kill-1 command.

Thank you, comrade Trump

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how ironic will it be when they discover the side effects of GLP 1s are worse than just being fat

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For most people the side effects when taken as directly are fatigue and nausea, and those are usually the day or two after injection.

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Fatigue? That's likely just from the exhaustion of having to walk to the medicine cabinet.

When I took it there were many days I'd only eat like 500 to 800 calories a day. That makes you feel tired and like dog *****

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Teslag said:

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how ironic will it be when they discover the side effects of GLP 1s are worse than just being fat

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For most people the side effects when taken as directly are fatigue and nausea, and those are usually the day or two after injection.

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Fatigue? That's likely just from the exhaustion of having to walk to the medicine cabinet.

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Makes sense. Wipes me out for the day after. But I never factored in the once weekly walk to the medicine cabinet.

Spot on.

There are no shortcuts in life.

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There are no shortcuts in life.

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The hell there's not. You may learn more from the hard way but it's also not always the best way.

The concept is typically referred to as "convenience". Given you are posting on an electronic device connected to the internet, you seem to accept certain shortcuts regarding communication, no?

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There are no shortcuts in life.

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Why do you care if someone wants to take a "shortcut"?

Did your girlfriend leave you for a formerly morbidly obese guy who took semaglutide?

TacoKitKat said:

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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The entire damned population didn't just lose self control overnight.

We poisoned people.

We poisoned people with cheap corn based ingredients like high fructose corn syrup stuffed in every food imaginable, and federal guidelines like the food pyramid that told people eating real food like red meat, butter, and eggs was unhealthy.

We did it to buy votes from key lobbies and pay back donors.

The GLP1s are good drugs. They do a lot to help fix the damage our policies have caused. Make em cheap, get America healthy again, start repairing the damage our foolish government policies enabled.

Once that's done, let's start repairing the hormonal damage we've done to the populace as well. We're a freak show of low T men and depressed women on hormonal birth control. RFK's a nut but he might be worth something here.

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We lost a lot of discipline overnight. A lot of sedentary jobs make people sit at a desk all day instead of doing manual labor. There are many many more modern conveniences that contribute to less movement (cell phones, Netflix, video games, etc). All of that coupled with the ease of over eating. You can door dash, get fast food at every corner...

Some people with discipline choose not to take the easy road. Everyone has a choice. Don't watch too much TV, walk around at work every once in a while and don't eat garbage. It's really not anyone else's fault, no matter how much people try to say that it is. It's the man in the mirror

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Talk about discipline all you want, that fat kid in the school lunch line didn't choose any of it. His future was decided long before he even understood what was on his tray. So yeah, maybe some lazy *******s benefit too, I don't care. Let's start undoing the damage our own policies have caused.

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If that were the case, every kid that east school lunch would be fat. They're not. Most are because most parents are inept about nutrition and exercise too. But not all kids are fat. Again, its not the food. Its too much food and too little movement.

Exercise is good.
Eating healthy is good.

BUT, the govt could give everyone a gym membership and free healthy food to cook, and most Americans would throw the food and never go to the gym after the first month.

Just saying these alternatives sound good, but are simply unrealistic.

I was an "ultra" marathoner at a way too young age. Now (70ish) I swim an average of 4500 yds 4 or 5 days a week w/o stopping. Biggest negative - longtime endurance cardio = lots of calcium, which screws with chest imaging.

But most people are not me. All Americans benefit from Trump's lowering these costs; saving on our health premiums and/or living better lives.

I don't want to demand anyone live like me. Nor should the naysayers here, imo.

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There are no shortcuts in life.

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The hell there's not. You may learn more from the hard way but it's also not always the best way.

The concept is typically referred to as "convenience". Given you are posting on an electronic device connected to the internet, you seem to accept certain shortcuts regarding communication, no?

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Initially I thought Texags hatred of GLP-1's was just simply ignorance due to the drugs being new. But at this point it's willful ignorance.

Obesity is the number one health problem in America. GLP-1's crush obesity along with reducing heart disease like heart attacks and strokes, diabetes, chrones disease, sleep apnea, alcoholism and other diseases. Furthermore it helps patients self esteem and improves their lives in many ways.

GLP-1 haters are simply ignorant. However, as you grow older, you may begin to put on a few pounds a year and you may have an opportunity to learn first hand of the true benefits of GLP-1 meds, or have a heart attack and/or strokes…… your choice

He's battling inflation.

I should Naro bad shame other posters. I remember when 14.4 was tits and 56k was for rich people.

There's a contingent of f16 that believes overweight people are worthless sloths with no self control or work ethic.

If you went to A&M, you knew these people. They turned into disgruntled adults ready to shame others who don't ram a skinny bicycle up their crotch and proclaim themselves fittest of the fit.

As someone whose life has seen enormous improvements from GLP medications,…

I can't think of anything that would improve our country faster than making these medications readily available.

People should consider that their perception of hunger and ability to feel fullness likely differs from others.

Is some part of weight management about discipline? Of course.

But unlike most other health considerations, we can't measure the intensity frequency of hunger pains between people. And there's likely a bigger difference than most realize in how each human experiences hunger

A segment of the US population seems to have a stubborn Puritanical idea that "hard work" is a moral good in itself, rather than a means to an end. They thus reflexively oppose any sign of a person wanting to avoid it.

I've seen it in my father since my mother got diagnosed with cancer. I told him that if she dies, I'd have to quit working for a few months to preserve my mental health. But Dad is absolutely insistent that I not do that, even though I have over $100k in savings and nobody else to provide for.

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There's a contingent of f16 that believes overweight people are worthless sloths with no self control or work ethic.

If you went to A&M, you knew these people. They turned into disgruntled adults ready to shame others who don't ram a skinny bicycle up their crotch and proclaim themselves fittest of the fit.

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That might have been the case 100 years ago when "work" meant intense physical labor.

It's less the case in a modern office environment where "work" means sitting in front of a computer and "exercise" is something to do in your limited free time.

Modern society isn't good for our health.

I don't get the hate for GLP-1 medications.

But there does seem to be a contingent of people who get really angry about other people choosing to use this medication for weight loss.

If it helps people and they want to partake, so be it. If you don't care to partake, don't.

It's not like someone else taking it harms you.

Cannot agree with that more.

I've worked from home for a while now so I can get up and walk about and maybe do some yard work or take a walk.

My grandparents were cotton pickers. So two generations to sedentary life. Hell, you could say one cause my dad was potbellied and varied in weight.

Not Good trump

****ing GREAT trump

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I don't get the hate for GLP-1 medications.

But there does seem to be a contingent of people who get really angry about other people choosing to use this medication for weight loss.

If it helps people and they want to partake, so be it. If you don't care to partake, don't.

It's not like someone else taking it harms you.

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Look, after the Covid vaccines, there is a legit fear that the FDA is not doing their jobs to really test these drugs before release. Affects thyroid (survivable) and pancreas (not usually survivable.)

So why not question it?

Type 2 diabetes itself has a significant risk to pancreas. All research has pointed to GLP-1's having, at most, about the same risk, but most studies show the risk being lower/much lower with GLP-1s.

1/3 of US teenagers have pre-diabetes. Of course, lifestyle changes can easily remedy this, but for many, it will not happen. And as they get older, obesity typically gets worse.

Nobody is forcing anyone to take GLP-1s. But for most, it was not an option ($$$).

Trump just helped fix that for many.

Latest studies (2024 & 2025) on GPL-1s and also risk of pancreatic damage are pretty large, and to my eye, reasonably well structured. Of course, there are risks to every med.

Not sure what you are objecting to?