flown-the-coop said:

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US Government is one of if not the largest customer buying these drugs.

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In every possible way this could mean.

LOL

You a lyrical poet today Rob.

javajaws said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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amercer said:

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Apparently the newest trend is women taking high doses of testosterone. Makes them horny like teenage boys. Also makes them grow beards and lose the hair on their heads, but who cares if you feel on fire all the time and want to go at it like a bunny on speed.

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But sure, keep talking about it like its chicks slamming roids if that's the depth you're operating at.

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My wife does the hormone replacement thing - including some T as you indicate. She definitely acts like she's slamming 'roids at times! I almost have to hide at night to get some sleep.

And to tie these two topics back together - a man taking T (especially when overweight) can actually cause you to produce too many female hormones such that you have to take an aromatase inhibitor like Anastrozole.


The more you know!

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I do apologize to the testosterone peddlers on the thread.

But there are apparently a bunch of women (unlike your wife) who are going for the 'riod rage dose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/magazine/testosterone-women-health-sex-libido-menopause.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

" Increasingly women are being given doses much higher than what's standard, sometimes spending upward of $1,000 a year and risking unpleasant and possibly irreversible side effects to pursue a dramatic high. "I see more and more of these places popping up because of all the hype around testosterone," says Stephanie Faubion, the director of the Mayo Clinic Center for Women's Health and the medical director of the Menopause Society. "And a lot of them are giving women testosterone in doses that get them to levels that are normal in a man but definitely not in a woman."

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Over_ed said:

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TrumpRX - another mind meld into distraught liberals.

For some, from $1000 to $50.

Great Trump, on so many planes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-weight-loss-drugs-cost-wegovy-zepbound-novo-nordisk-eli-lilly-rcna242309

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How is this not Socialist? This is anti-FreeMarket. This is literally socialism. So socialism in this form is okay or not? I literally lost track where this political party stands on this and hypocrisy?

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Dude, "Give me a lower price or I'm shopping elsewhere" is as free market as you can get.

I guess it's true that socialists really don't understand economics at all.

javajaws said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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amercer said:

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Apparently the newest trend is women taking high doses of testosterone. Makes them horny like teenage boys. Also makes them grow beards and lose the hair on their heads, but who cares if you feel on fire all the time and want to go at it like a bunny on speed.

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But sure, keep talking about it like its chicks slamming roids if that's the depth you're operating at.

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My wife does the hormone replacement thing - including some T as you indicate. She definitely acts like she's slamming 'roids at times! I almost have to hide at night to get some sleep.

And to tie these two topics back together - a man taking T (especially when overweight) can actually cause you to produce too many female hormones such that you have to take an aromatase inhibitor like Anastrozole.


The more you know!

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It does make them a bit frisky yes. But let's be honest, healthy people enjoy the activity and seek it out pretty actively. Their quality of life is a lot higher with this stuff.

As for overweight men aromatizing T excessively, it's usually an overblown concern in my opinion. I was 265 pounds when I started replacement therapy myself, and had gone as high as 277. I had zero issues with excess aromatization even at those weights, with both free T and estradiol being at the top of their reference ranges (but still within limits) and did not experience any negative side effects. Now that was with 100mg per week testosterone cypionate only, and a lot of these guys with excess E2 needing aromatase inhibitors are on supraphysiological "replacement" dosages of 140-200mg. Truth is in most cases their dose is just too high., and then yeah the excess is going to get shuttled to E2 unless you inhibit it.

I'm currently 243 pounds, and have been able to do bodyweight pull-ups since 255lbs to put relative strength and muscularity in perspective (FFMI puts me in the top 20% for lean mass, front squat 180x10 for 3 sets, RDL 295x8 for 3 sets, bench two plates 1RM). I ran a 120 test / 80 deca / 7.5 tirzepatide recomp stack until very recently (E2 got out of range high at 14 weeks due to secondary effects on of the deca, and I chose to cycle off instead of running an AI). My only symptom was some excessive sebaceous gland activity and a few spots of chest acne. My GP is an in-the-system doc and can't technically approve of the telemedicine stuff like the deca, and I keep her in the dark about it to prevent any issues, but we have a very wink-wink situation going on - she knows I'm doing something and is amazed at my results but isn't pushing for details so long as the bloods are fine.

I go for another dexa tomorrow, but at my last monthly check I'd dropped 20.9 pounds of total fat, including 1.7 pounds of visceral fat, and added 2.8 pounds of lean tissue during the recomp cycle. I was considering running tesamorelin for some additional visceral fat losses with some help retaining lean while I'm off the deca, but the pricing on that compound is astronomical compared to the anabolics (which are cheap generics). I'll probably just start back with the deca in January at half the dose and increase my lifting frequency instead.

Trump has a socialist bone and he flexes it more and more these days.

amercer said:

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javajaws said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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amercer said:

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Apparently the newest trend is women taking high doses of testosterone. Makes them horny like teenage boys. Also makes them grow beards and lose the hair on their heads, but who cares if you feel on fire all the time and want to go at it like a bunny on speed.

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But sure, keep talking about it like its chicks slamming roids if that's the depth you're operating at.

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My wife does the hormone replacement thing - including some T as you indicate. She definitely acts like she's slamming 'roids at times! I almost have to hide at night to get some sleep.

And to tie these two topics back together - a man taking T (especially when overweight) can actually cause you to produce too many female hormones such that you have to take an aromatase inhibitor like Anastrozole.


The more you know!

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I do apologize to the testosterone peddlers on the thread.

But there are apparently a bunch of women (unlike your wife) who are going for the 'riod rage dose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/magazine/testosterone-women-health-sex-libido-menopause.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

" Increasingly women are being given doses much higher than what's standard, sometimes spending upward of $1,000 a year and risking unpleasant and possibly irreversible side effects to pursue a dramatic high. "I see more and more of these places popping up because of all the hype around testosterone," says Stephanie Faubion, the director of the Mayo Clinic Center for Women's Health and the medical director of the Menopause Society. "And a lot of them are giving women testosterone in doses that get them to levels that are normal in a man but definitely not in a woman."

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My apologies, I was unaware of this. I'm pretty well versed in the hormone and peptide scene, so I question just how widespread this really is since these doses in women are unheard of to me, but maybe it's new or just limited in scope.

In either case, these ladies better like having ****orises the size of donkey dicks, because that's what they'll end up with. Anavar and SARMS are much more commonly used in women in performance enhancing contexts specifically because of the androgenic effects of these doses of testosterone. And even with SARMs or DHT derivatives with very limited androgenicity, they can still have issues due to the dosages.

That said, I think there's far more harm going on from doctors denying patients legitimate care like testosterone replacement therapy out of outdated knowledge and risk averse prescribing. I had borderline osteoporosis (T-score -2.2) when I was diagnosed and put on replacement therapy in my 40s, after decades of mood disorders and metabolic conditions that negatively affected me. Testosterone is fixing a lot. If some chicks want to run transgender level doses cause they like it, fine. Let's just make it more accessible for everyone, the numbers that will use it therapeutically and benefit will be far higher than those doing things like this I think.

TacoKitKat said:

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amercer said:

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javajaws said:

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TacoKitKat said:

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amercer said:

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Apparently the newest trend is women taking high doses of testosterone. Makes them horny like teenage boys. Also makes them grow beards and lose the hair on their heads, but who cares if you feel on fire all the time and want to go at it like a bunny on speed.

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But sure, keep talking about it like its chicks slamming roids if that's the depth you're operating at.

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My wife does the hormone replacement thing - including some T as you indicate. She definitely acts like she's slamming 'roids at times! I almost have to hide at night to get some sleep.

And to tie these two topics back together - a man taking T (especially when overweight) can actually cause you to produce too many female hormones such that you have to take an aromatase inhibitor like Anastrozole.


The more you know!

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I do apologize to the testosterone peddlers on the thread.

But there are apparently a bunch of women (unlike your wife) who are going for the 'riod rage dose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/magazine/testosterone-women-health-sex-libido-menopause.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

" Increasingly women are being given doses much higher than what's standard, sometimes spending upward of $1,000 a year and risking unpleasant and possibly irreversible side effects to pursue a dramatic high. "I see more and more of these places popping up because of all the hype around testosterone," says Stephanie Faubion, the director of the Mayo Clinic Center for Women's Health and the medical director of the Menopause Society. "And a lot of them are giving women testosterone in doses that get them to levels that are normal in a man but definitely not in a woman."

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My apologies,...
That said, I think there's far more harm going on from doctors denying patients legitimate care like testosterone replacement therapy out of outdated knowledge and risk averse prescribing. I had borderline osteoporosis (T-score -2.2) when I was diagnosed and put on replacement therapy in my 40s, after decades of mood disorders and metabolic conditions that negatively affected me. Testosterone is fixing a lot. If some chicks want to run transgender level doses cause they like it, fine. Let's just make it more accessible for everyone, the numbers that will use it therapeutically and benefit will be far higher than those doing things like this I think.

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I agree with many of the things you have said in this thread, perhaps disagree a little with such strong advocacy...it is at times a bit off-putting.

But, do you really believe the bold above? There is a TRT doctor "on every corner" in San Antonio, and there are many places to get T prescribed online. Who, exactly, are you saying can't get TRT? Yes, some PCPs may not like it, but they can't stop you going to another doctor for it.

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twelve12twelve said:

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"What's wrong with shortcuts?"

Like we aren't the fattest nation already. Most of these glutenous people don't need the medicine, they need to stop sitting all day at work and actually count calories. Stop drinking soda or anything that isn't water if you are that worried about your weight. Calories via drinking are the easiest to quit.

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Or they could just take an injection once a week and make it easier to do everything you said

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Have fun taking it the rest of your life then lol

Lots of medications for lots of people are taken daily for their lives for various things. It's not uncommon at all. I take a once a month injection for migraines and will happily do so for the rest of my life.

I am holding out for belly fat specific wegovy.