Pumpkinhead said:

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Although it will natural for the political right to use this as an opportunity to dance on the grave of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, THIS GUY was apparently not some undocumented Afghan refugee who managed to sneak on a plane to the US.

Reports are that he worked with a CIA counter terrorism group that directly received U.S. military intelligence and assets to hunt down Taliban and Al Queda. This guy was VERY VETTED by the US in terms of knowing his background.

The most important thing here is hopefully through all the political mudslinging that will occur as both political sides try to take advantage of this situation is:

1) Thoughts for the families of the National Guardsman. Awful.

2) Why did THIS GUY do this and why now? After 4 years in the states, apparently driving cross country and leaving a wife and family behind. What had he been doing for work the past 4 years? Has he still been actively working with the U. S. Government in some capacity? What had been the most recent contacts between him and a CIA handler? Etc.

This is also likely to be a fruitful conspiracy theory situation so beware of that. A lot of $$$$ to be made getting clicks and views by the conspiracy theory pundits who profit from stuff like this.

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Your questions need to be answered. Your rep, Cornyn. Cruz - need to ask, ask ask. But it won't happen.
From one outraged to another we go, Epstein two weeks ago, senators asking for military mutiny last week, this this week. Our government answers to nobody.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Although it will be natural for the political right to use this as an opportunity to dance on the grave of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, THIS GUY was apparently not some undocumented Afghan refugee who managed to sneak on a plane to the U.S.

Reports are that he worked with a CIA counter terrorism group that directly received U.S. military intelligence and assets to hunt down Taliban and Al Queda. This guy was VERY VETTED by the US in terms of knowing his background. Decent probability there are active special forces operators who, when this guy's face was published, said 'Hey, I remember that guy!'

The most important thing here is hopefully, while sifting through a flurry of political mudslinging that will occur as both political sides try to take advantage of this situation is:

1) Thoughts for the families of the National Guardsman. Awful.

2) Why did THIS GUY do this and why now? After 4 years in the states, apparently driving cross country and leaving a wife and family behind. PTSD fallout? Something else? What had he been doing for work the past 4 years? Has he still been actively working with the U. S. Government in some capacity? What had been the most recent contacts between him and a CIA handler? Etc.

This is also likely to be a fruitful conspiracy theory situation so beware of that. A lot of $$$$ to be made getting clicks and views by the conspiracy theory pundits who profit from stuff like this.

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One, that can't be too quickly dismissed IF, IF it is true, needs to be settled quickly. Is it true that searches for his unusual name were going on in a flurry in D.C. just before the crime? Or is that just one of those hit-and-run internet rumor postings? That really only makes much sense IF TRUE (keep that in mind don't step past it) if was a figure known to `have set out' to do something by certain people.

That's one making the rounds already and this could be a case of able to nip one in the bud if it has been debunked.

Pretty bad OPSEC if true, I lean heavily towards a rumor

The searches could have been the guy himself checking out his own online presence, trying to gauge what would be revealed or said about him. He probably assumed he wouldn't survive the attack and that anything about him already online could be the only real bio info to be seen afterward.

akaggie05 said:

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The searches could have been the guy himself checking out his own online presence, trying to gauge what would be revealed or said about him. He probably assumed he wouldn't survive the attack and that anything about him already online could be the only real bio info to be seen afterward.

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That's an excellent speculation that would account for it even if it turns out to be true, and not make it necessary to dismiss. Its something an investigation could then discover.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Although it will be natural for the political right to use this as an opportunity to dance on the grave of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, THIS GUY was apparently not some undocumented Afghan refugee who managed to sneak on a plane to the U.S.

Reports are that he worked with a CIA counter terrorism group that directly received U.S. military intelligence and assets to hunt down Taliban and Al Queda. This guy was VERY VETTED by the US in terms of knowing his background. Decent probability there are active special forces operators who, when this guy's face was published, said 'Hey, I remember that guy!'

The most important thing here is hopefully, while sifting through a flurry of political mudslinging that will occur as both political sides try to take advantage of this situation is:

1) Thoughts for the families of the National Guardsman. Awful.

2) Why did THIS GUY do this and why now? After 4 years in the states, apparently driving cross country and leaving a wife and family behind. PTSD fallout? Something else? What had he been doing for work the past 4 years? Has he still been actively working with the U. S. Government in some capacity? What had been the most recent contacts between him and a CIA handler? Etc.

This is also likely to be a fruitful conspiracy theory situation so beware of that. A lot of $$$$ to be made getting clicks and views by the conspiracy theory pundits who profit from stuff like this.

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One, that can't be too quickly dismissed IF, IF it is true, needs to be settled quickly. Is it true that searches for his unusual name were going on in a flurry in D.C. just before the crime? Or is that just one of those hit-and-run internet rumor postings? That really only makes much sense IF TRUE (keep that in mind don't step past it) if was a figure known to `have set out' to do something by certain people.

That's one making the rounds already and this could be a case of able to nip one in the bud if it has been debunked.

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All I saw was a screenshot going around twitter showing the search, did anyone actually verify that it was true? Very easy for someone to photoshop that and send it out. And since people get paid for exposure (one of the only bad decisions Elon has made), plenty of reason ($$) for someone to make it up knowing that they won't get fact checked because certain groups always want there to be a conspiracy.

Logos Stick said:

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No more immigrants. We have 350 million people, third largest nation in the world! No more!

Tired of this absurd "begging the question" premise of "we don't have the labor and skills we need"!

We created the greatest, most technically advanced civilization with a whole lot fewer people! But now we don't have the people we need?! Bull*****

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Good point. What is even harder to believe is that even if there was a momentary bumpy period, that any of this is so indispensable the nation would fall apart at once too fast to correct if we just got rid of the education system as know it and return to useful instruction and knowledge passing on. We probably have all the ingenuity we need here among our citizens if you can just get the DC/MSM marinated transnational block out of the way and stop running down Western Civ in the name of multiculturalism.

Video and photos by someone in their car captured some of this: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/witness-photos-captured-the-attack-on-the-national-guard-e3bcc8f3?st=nNWLcX&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Logos Stick said:

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No more immigrants. We have 350 million people, third largest nation in the world! No more!

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3580707

It has been mentioned many times here that Islam tells it subjects to blend in until an opportunity exists to kill the infidel.
Sorry libs, but until that is proven wrong, I am skeptical of these foreigners.
Lol- libs going nuts about Christians handing them a Bible or asking if they know Jesus. Wonder what their thoughts will be when a gun is at their head for being infidel?

Robots could do virtually all of the low skill work illegals do. The rest could be filled by cutting g off the endless Bennie's that let lazy able bodied Americans just not work.

But robots can't vote for democrats

Yet.

Maroon Dawn said:

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Robots could do virtually all of the low skill work illegals do. The rest could be filled by cutting g off the endless Bennie's that let lazy able bodied Americans just not work.

But robots can't vote for democrats

Yet.

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We dont need robots, we need people who work for food and shelter. Period.

Call it what you want, but earn your keep or starve on the rain.

Logos Stick said:

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No more immigrants. We have 350 million people, third largest nation in the world! No more!

Tired of this absurd "begging the question" premise of "we don't have the labor and skills we need"!

We created the greatest, most technically advanced civilization with a whole lot fewer people! But now we don't have the people we need?! Bull*****

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On top of that, we have AI taking over millions of jobs in the not distant future.

This is simply not true.

This akin to saying all Christians believe in holy underoos and getting their own planet just because some folks from Utah say so.

flown-the-coop said:

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This is simply not true.

This akin to saying all Christians believe in holy underoos and getting their own planet just because some folks from Utah say so.

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Then why dont the folks down at our local mosque condemn whole heartedly violence. I've never heard a peep out of them.

flown-the-coop said:

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This is simply not true.

This akin to saying all Christians believe in holy underoos and getting their own planet just because some folks from Utah say so.

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" The technical meaning of the term taqiyya is thought[by whom?] to be derived from the Quranic reference to religious dissimulation in Sura 3:28:
Believers should not take disbelievers as guardians instead of the believersand whoever does so will have nothing to hope for from Allahunless it is a precaution against their tyranny. And Allah warns you about Himself. And to Allah is the final return. (ill an tattaq minhum tuqt).
Surah Al Imran 3:28"

flown-the-coop said:

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This is simply not true.

This akin to saying all Christians believe in holy underoos and getting their own planet just because some folks from Utah say so.

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This is not a trap question. If you say taqqiya is not an overall standard, can you name which schools of Islam reject it or even just criticize it will suffice. Nor is this a "put on spot" question because its not unreasonable if you don't know. Just asking. Because if there is a school of thought or group that rejects it want to know more.

Not least because the idea of formally sanctioned lying sounds almost like how the DNC has gotten, and we seen how destructive it is to be completely okay with lying as a principle. Especially in religious witness, this seems very bad.

Furthermore, Taqiyya is in The koran. It is clear what is says, and it is not a mistake. Ask any muslim and they will tell you THERE ARE NO MISTAKES IN THE KORAN !!

I particularly like how they hide or destroy older early copies they find that significantly deviate from the version that has existed since the printing press.

I think that this could be a suicide by cop attempt with the Islamic flavor of having attacked an "enemy of Islam" and this a martyr's reward versus the religious condemnation that a simple suicide would bring. Seems plausible.

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Furthermore, Taqiyya is in The koran. It is clea what is says, and it is not a mistake. Ask any muslim and they will tell you THERE ARE NO MISTAKES IN THE KORAN !!

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Still there are caveats of a sort of among Islamic mullahs. For one, it is not considered a true Quran unless written in Arabic. That is why so many claim it can't be translated exactly, because if you think about it, a translation to another language will never be dead-on exact.

Secondly, what can be a mistaken is the interpretation, the hadith and tradition speaking of it. Even Al-Wahabbi felt that some surah were clearly era specific, and others not.

It is in these `cracks' that the variety among Muslims comes to be.

In Western terms of course, the preservation issue runs into problems against the known intervention of the Caliphs in seeking to standardize and destroy other copies.

Cnn is reporting(well, analyzing as they call it, editorializing as everyone else does) that the shooter was well vetted over decades.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/28/politics/afghan-vetting-process-scrutiny

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Over the course of more than a decade, sources told CNN, Lakanwal underwent numerous rounds of vetting starting around 2011 by the CIA when he began working with the US military and intelligence agencies and ending earlier this year when he was approved for permanent asylum in the US by the Trump administration.

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Okay cnn. Then we can peg it on the language you and dems use to describe trump and the national guard as fascist and anti Democratic and illegal. Perhaps that spurred him do do this

Who?mikejones! said:

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Cnn is reporting(well, analyzing as they call it, editorializing as everyone else does) that the shooter was well vetted over decades.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/28/politics/afghan-vetting-process-scrutiny

They say:

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Over the course of more than a decade, sources told CNN, Lakanwal underwent numerous rounds of vetting starting around 2011 by the CIA when he began working with the US military and intelligence agencies and ending earlier this year when he was approved for permanent asylum in the US by the Trump administration.

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Okay cnn. Then we can peg it on the language you and dems use to describe trump and the national guard as fascist and anti Democratic and illegal. Perhaps that spurred him do do this

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All the more reason to send them all back because no matter how much you vet a Muslim you can never be sure.

flown-the-coop said:

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This is simply not true.

This akin to saying all Christians believe in holy underoos and getting their own planet just because some folks from Utah say so.

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It is 100% true.

It's not an important enough distinction to make here as these guys we let in do indeed follow the most violent sects of Islam.

I am for 100% deportment of these jabronees.

I agree with above comments that you simply do not see the religious leadership condemn violence. What is interesting and I am sure you would agree, there is another group that is now reluctant to condemn violence by their "side" - this is particularly evident here as well as they try to draw lines and revise history to suit their agenda.

We can debate nuances of how Islam developed as a religion and one with several particularly violent sects and why that is so… on another thread in Religion.

For here, no reason to make such distinction. I agree with you and others regarding how it applies here and the need to "purge".

Who?mikejones! said:

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Cnn is reporting(well, analyzing as they call it, editorializing as everyone else does) that the shooter was well vetted over decades.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/28/politics/afghan-vetting-process-scrutiny

They say:

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Over the course of more than a decade, sources told CNN, Lakanwal underwent numerous rounds of vetting starting around 2011 by the CIA when he began working with the US military and intelligence agencies and ending earlier this year when he was approved for permanent asylum in the US by the Trump administration.

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Okay cnn. Then we can peg it on the language you and dems use to describe trump and the national guard as fascist and anti Democratic and illegal. Perhaps that spurred him do do this

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They absolutely are at fault, and probably Left Academics even more so. Because what radicalizes Muslims is getting immersed in the earliest form of it. You see, many don't learn "all about it" or even expound on the Quran even when they have it memorized. Its not unlike how many Christians can throw out a passage here or there at will and know it be heart. But what happens in radicalization is they get re-immersed into its most early raw form (this from Muslim writers who can demonstrate the process).

So types like CNN and the DNC and especially Academia that keep trying to run down Western Civ, mischaracterize the Crusades (Obama comes to mind) and who keep defending importing the most regressive and least wanted kind -- -they create conditons of radicalization. France if anything is worse--we see that that Macron was prepared to have Gazans all go there. The sophisticated Muslims of Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt, Jordan will tell you that the Palestinian variety is not what you want around. So part of this issue is our persisting government stupidity in not making these distinctions.