94DCAg said:

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He wrote the book because he knew what a threat the BIG LIE was to our country.

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Easy way to eliminate the threat of the Big Lie.

1) Voter ID
2) Required voter role purges every 4 years
3) No mail-in ballots
4) Paper ballots required.

Simple. Threat eliminated almost immediately.

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AtomicActuator said:

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Well, you just completely changed the subject. The census and apportionment is absolutely, and unavoidably, a federal concern. And now we are flashing back to a debate we had a few days ago, and I'd rather not.

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How did he change the subject? Dems allow illegal aliens into the country with no consequences. They then allow illegal non citizen immigrants to vote in elections, which, wait for it.....is illegal.
Who cannot vote?

• Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.
• Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from vote.gov to understand the laws in your state.
• Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.
• U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

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All persons, except Indians not taxed, residing in a state are counted for apportionment. Only a subset of those have a right to vote. This has always been.

The manner in which persons are counted for apportionment and the manner in which elections are held are very different.

AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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Well, you just completely changed the subject. The census and apportionment is absolutely, and unavoidably, a federal concern. And now we are flashing back to a debate we had a few days ago, and I'd rather not.

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How did he change the subject? Dems allow illegal aliens into the country with no consequences. They then allow illegal non citizen immigrants to vote in elections, which, wait for it.....is illegal.
Who cannot vote?

• Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.
• Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from vote.gov to understand the laws in your state.
• Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.
• U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

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All persons, except Indians not taxed, residing in a state are counted for apportionment. Only a subset of those have a right to vote. This has always been.

The manner in which persons are counted for apportionment and the manner in which elections are held are very different.

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Jesus Christ, I didn't just make this **** up to fit a narrative! Non Citizens do not rate apportionment nor representation

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

Mr. Wyatt, you started this mess, can you clean it up?

I really think Trump not winning in 2020 set the stage for his accomplishments this term. It also exposed just how far left the Hypocrats have drifted. So, in hindsight, all good

AtomicActuator said:

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94DCAg said:

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Supporting the big lie, at this stage, should be criminal.

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It's horse****, but it's constitutionally protected horse*****

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Where did the 6 million voters go?

KerrAg76 said:

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Let's see how long before 81+ million cast ballots for a single candidate again

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Will never happen again, but totally legit, yo!

captkirk said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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94DCAg said:

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Supporting the big lie, at this stage, should be criminal.

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It's horse****, but it's constitutionally protected horse*****

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Where did the 6 million voters go?

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Back to Mexico.

usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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Well, you just completely changed the subject. The census and apportionment is absolutely, and unavoidably, a federal concern. And now we are flashing back to a debate we had a few days ago, and I'd rather not.

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How did he change the subject? Dems allow illegal aliens into the country with no consequences. They then allow illegal non citizen immigrants to vote in elections, which, wait for it.....is illegal.
Who cannot vote?

• Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.
• Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from vote.gov to understand the laws in your state.
• Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.
• U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

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All persons, except Indians not taxed, residing in a state are counted for apportionment. Only a subset of those have a right to vote. This has always been.

The manner in which persons are counted for apportionment and the manner in which elections are held are very different.

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Jesus Christ, I didn't just make this **** up to fit a narrative! Non Citizens do not rate apportionment nor representation

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

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Fine, if no one else will jump in and set you straight: https://www.census.gov/topics/public-sector/congressional-apportionment/about.html

"The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population (citizens and noncitizens) of the 50 states."

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noncitizens

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You think that includes people here illegally? Explain please.

AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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Well, you just completely changed the subject. The census and apportionment is absolutely, and unavoidably, a federal concern. And now we are flashing back to a debate we had a few days ago, and I'd rather not.

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How did he change the subject? Dems allow illegal aliens into the country with no consequences. They then allow illegal non citizen immigrants to vote in elections, which, wait for it.....is illegal.
Who cannot vote?

• Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.
• Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from vote.gov to understand the laws in your state.
• Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.
• U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

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All persons, except Indians not taxed, residing in a state are counted for apportionment. Only a subset of those have a right to vote. This has always been.

The manner in which persons are counted for apportionment and the manner in which elections are held are very different.

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Jesus Christ, I didn't just make this **** up to fit a narrative! Non Citizens do not rate apportionment nor representation

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

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Fine, if no one else will jump in and set you straight: https://www.census.gov/topics/public-sector/congressional-apportionment/about.html

"The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population (citizens and noncitizens) of the 50 states."

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Obtuse is no way to go through life

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I really think Trump not winning in 2020 set the stage for his accomplishments this term. It also exposed just how far left the Hypocrats have drifted. So, in hindsight, all good

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I would agree with you except for the 20 million invaders that Biden let in between 2020 and 2024.

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You think that includes people here illegally? Explain please.

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Why don't you just do your own research and you can learn that they do, and they do because the constitution's language is very broad. Heck, the entire concept of an illegal immigrant is a creation of legislation, so is not generally relevant to a process defined in the constitution.

Okay, sparky. Done wasting my time with you.

BTW: For anyone interested in the facts that is subject of this thread. 30 minute video with Gouveia's breakdown.

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Okay, sparky. Done wasting my time with you.

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Lol, I didn't even reply to your last message - you double replied now.

Edit: oops, my bad, I didn't even realize you jumped in on the other topic.

But it's weird that you think getting educated on civics and your constitution is wasting your time.

Who?mikejones! said:

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But, this confirmation of fraud helps prove the 2020 election was a joke.

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Speaking of jokes. How much of this can be hung on that feckless poltroon Brian Kemp?

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Who?mikejones! said:

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But, this confirmation of fraud helps prove the 2020 election was a joke.

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Speaking of jokes. How much of this can be hung on that feckless poltroon Brian Kemp?

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A lot. Kemp was Sec of State before he was elected governor. He made the Dominion deal for instance.

Further, while he was Sec of State, one of the universities that were supposedly holding GA election records, inexplicably deleted them all. Not that I have ever nor ever will support Stacey Abrams but like a blind squirrel, there was a nut there. Weird coincidence, isn't it?

1)Hundreds of thousands of non-voters on spammed up voter rolls.
2) Millions of unsolicited mail ballots circulating uncontrolled on the streets.
3) Corrupt intermediaries with spammed voter lists gathering stacks.
4) Random unmonitored drop boxes to be deposited into.

Any ballot that makes it thru above and into the official count facility was considered legit. No sig check or anything. Its how Biden actually DID win the ballot tally contest. No one disputes he had more ballots. The ballots were just from people who didnt actually vote. Only way to prove it is to contact the voters on ballots for verification. Which isnt really even possible.

AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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Well, you just completely changed the subject. The census and apportionment is absolutely, and unavoidably, a federal concern. And now we are flashing back to a debate we had a few days ago, and I'd rather not.

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How did he change the subject? Dems allow illegal aliens into the country with no consequences. They then allow illegal non citizen immigrants to vote in elections, which, wait for it.....is illegal.
Who cannot vote?

• Non-citizens, including permanent legal residents, cannot vote in federal, state, and most local elections.
• Some people cannot vote after being convicted of a felony or if they are currently serving time for other types of crimes. Rules are different in each state. Check this guide from vote.gov to understand the laws in your state.
• Some people who have a mental disability may not be able to vote. Learn about your voting rights. Rules vary by state.
• U.S. citizens residing in U.S. territories cannot vote for president in the general election.

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All persons, except Indians not taxed, residing in a state are counted for apportionment. Only a subset of those have a right to vote. This has always been.

The manner in which persons are counted for apportionment and the manner in which elections are held are very different.

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Jesus Christ, I didn't just make this **** up to fit a narrative! Non Citizens do not rate apportionment nor representation

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

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Fine, if no one else will jump in and set you straight: https://www.census.gov/topics/public-sector/congressional-apportionment/about.html

"The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population (citizens and noncitizens) of the 50 states."

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You are hopeless. Do you think for one second, I'll give you a minute, 60, 59, 49... would you count for apportionment or have representation for a country you were in illegally?

The only representation you would have in a country you were in illegally, would be a court appointed immigtation lawyer. I doubt he/she would have your best interests in mind.

Show me what's making you think that illegal immigrants are currently or have ever been excluded from the count.

I'm just explaining how it works and you are getting worked up.

So, Non Citizens can be counted as part of the Census because they lay their head down here illegally. How does that make them eligible to vote in federal or state elections? Can you legally vote in a country you are not a citizen?

Can you show me where in our constitution or any federal laws where illegal aliens have a right to representation over American citizens?

It doesn't allow them to vote. I very clearly said that earlier when Mr. Wyatt derailed and bailed by changing the subject from voting to apportionment.

AtomicActuator said:

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It doesn't allow them to vote. I very clearly said that earlier when Mr. Wyatt derailed and bailed by changing the subject from voting to apportionment.

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So kindly explain why they are allowed to vote overwhelmingly democrat and why voter ID is considered racist? I'll answer that for you. Democrats think blacks and other minorities are to ****ing stupid to register properly or even aquire an ID. Your plantation mindset of owning people will never be accepted.

I haven't been talking about or defending any of those things. This started as me asserting that election integrity issues can be left to the states because an illegal voting in Georgia doesn't impact the vote of someone in another state - they are separate elections and vote pools.

Georgians should be free to implement whatever voter controls they see fit within the bounds of the constitution, and whatever existing federal elections laws aren't struck down by this Supreme Court.

I was just saying we don't need the federal government to step in and tell Georgia how to run their elections any more than they already do.

Illegal voting in one state damn sure has an impact on all the other states.

Not in a way that is any of your business, in my federalist opinion.

As I said a few times already, those are Georgia's electors and Georgia's senators, representing their state.

I'm just amazed how people just hate this country by defending the factual cheating no matter what.

Georgia Jan 2021 never passed smell tests. First Schumer basically implied it would happen before the fact. Then you had the known ballot count stop, and yet it be denied later there was any leak, etc. Video showing things just dismissed. And there was the boarding up kind of activity. As Scott Adams so well put it, when you deliberately prevent transparency you can't easily deny fraud. Then you had the win just over the margin to require a re-count. All too convenient. The more time that passed and it became more obvious how dubious the main November election was, the worse this one in January '21 has aged.

Fact is, your side calls us a cult for believing in America and Americans first. When things do not go your way, you act like my grandchildren and throw yourself on the floor in the grocery store and kick and scream. You receive the attention you want even when the facts prove you wrong. I spent 20 years of my life to
ensure you have the right to freedom of speech, religion, expression etc. For some reason you want to give non-citizens rights that they do not rate to elect enemies from within. We are the land of opportunity if done correctly, and I wholeheartedly support that. However, I do not support illegal citizens voting that sway our elections .

AtomicActuator said:

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I haven't been talking about or defending any of those things. This started as me asserting that election integrity issues can be left to the states because an illegal voting in Georgia doesn't impact the vote of someone in another state - they are separate elections and vote pools.

Georgians should be free to implement whatever voter controls they see fit within the bounds of the constitution, and whatever existing federal elections laws aren't struck down by this Supreme Court.

I was just saying we don't need the federal government to step in and tell Georgia how to run their elections any more than they already do.

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Incorrect. It not only impacts the vote of others, it potentially ruins it for all if it flips the Senate to a Left one; ditto the House. Your take only works if the elections do not refer to the FEDERAL ones of the Hill.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Turns out, the Georgia election in 2020 was full of fraud. They erroneously certified 315000 ballots by counting early ballots without poll workers signatures.

This is massive fraud

Fulton County admits it illegally certified 315,000 ballots in 2020 electionhttps://t.co/OoIPJkh1cw

— Not the Bee (@Not_the_Bee) December 19, 2025

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And Fulton County admitted to it.

Ann Brumbaugh, attorney for the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections, told the SEB in the hearing that while she has "not seen the tapes" herself, the county does "not dispute that the tapes were not signed." Brumbaugh continued, "It was a violation of the rule. We, since 2020, again, we have new leadership and a new building and a new board and a new standard operating procedures. And since then the training has been enhanced. … But … we don't dispute the allegation from the 2020 election."

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Winning Georgia alone in 2020 would not have propelled trump to victory. But, this confirmation of fraud helps prove the 2020 election was a joke.

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Didn't we lose a Senate seat due to this as well? Yugely affected our country!

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This is a shock to no one. Looking forward to the Democrat excuses on this one.

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They'll make no excuses and will scarcely have to answer for any of it. Dems don't apologize and the media won't make them.

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Yes. And once again there was some hinky crap going on with the Dominion machines in that runoff. In one precinct, the tabulator kept getting jammed. The election workers did everything they had been told to clear the jam and clean the machine, reset so there was no double counting of ballots that had gone through before the jam occurred.

It would work for a few ballots and jam again. It was getting late at night and the supervisor had had enough and called for a Dominion tech to come immediately. The tech told them to do what they had been doing so they did it again, still no luck. The election supervisor is now getting angry and threatening to call the press in to show them what was happening so the tech calls his boss' boss and steps outside to talk to him for a few minutes. Tech comes back in, holds his smartphone near the machine but does not touch it in anyway. After a few minutes he tells the election workers to try again.

They grumbled but did as told. Lo and behold, it worked. Election workers were just looking at each other. Did we see what we think we saw? Remember the tabulators read the QR codes, not the vote ovals. So the tabulators had been set to recognize or not recognize specific QR codes. Was that programming overridden or removed wirelessly through a smart phone?

Sure seemed like it to the election workers present.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Turns out, the Georgia election in 2020 was full of fraud. They erroneously certified 315000 ballots by counting early ballots without poll workers signatures.

This is massive fraud

Fulton County admits it illegally certified 315,000 ballots in 2020 electionhttps://t.co/OoIPJkh1cw

— Not the Bee (@Not_the_Bee) December 19, 2025

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And Fulton County admitted to it.

Ann Brumbaugh, attorney for the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections, told the SEB in the hearing that while she has "not seen the tapes" herself, the county does "not dispute that the tapes were not signed." Brumbaugh continued, "It was a violation of the rule. We, since 2020, again, we have new leadership and a new building and a new board and a new standard operating procedures. And since then the training has been enhanced. … But … we don't dispute the allegation from the 2020 election."

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Winning Georgia alone in 2020 would not have propelled trump to victory. But, this confirmation of fraud helps prove the 2020 election was a joke.

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Didn't we lose a Senate seat due to this as well? Yugely affected our country!

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Not just a Senate seat. With that loss, lost any check on Biden. Because with that, they got the Senate control. Oddly enough, because it so exposed how off-the-chart deviant, deranged and actually crazy the Progressive Left is, perhaps the four years were necessary to discredit them. If only the MSM could be finally dismantled, the trolling populism that counters it might also be able to turned down a good bit. We need fact reporting, not activist journalism about what is really in bills or not being legislated and so on.