Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and others just seem to be flailing at each other right now. Israel/Palestine seems to be a big part of this, as does the Kirk assassination. I have no idea what to make of this, as there are clearly a lot of different agendas and egos involved.

Can anybody make sense of this?

Snake Jazz said:

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Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and others just seem to be flailing at each other right now. Israel/Palestine seems to be a big part of this, as does the Kirk assassination. I have no idea what to make of this, as there are clearly a lot of different agendas and egos involved.

Can anybody make sense of this?

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3586960/replies/71568378

You won't often see it in a capsule more clearly than here. Watching these two videos together illustrates it.

The OP video of that thread

Ben Shapiro denounication and outlining what is the conservative standard (don't mean GOP-E) positions:

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🚨 Ben Shapiro goes SCORCHED EARTH at TPUSA on “frauds”, “grifters”, and “charlatans” Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens

He blasts Megyn Kelly for her “cowardice” for refusing to stand up for the truth and condemn Candace’s conspiracy theories and lies

Watch every second of this pic.twitter.com/j7LvZFBDJN

— Ryan Saavedra (@RyanSaavedra) December 19, 2025

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and Tucker's response to Shapiro.

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Tucker responds at the beginning of his speech at the same event

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If you take the combind 1 hr 10 to watch both, you will see a great deal of it one package the divide.

Both excellently outline the divergence when seen in comparison. Tucker may or may not be grifting with all his Christian stances, but his points represent that part of the right's complaint that some of the more dug-in dissidents are plugging into.

Little Timmy Pool is going to be so sad and pulling down his beanie because you left him out.

THIS.

On a more general broad take, I think with the further right, or outliers to use your term, what is resonating with the Tucker recent remarks (especially that speech at TPUSA captures it) is the put America First and even vaguely Christian ordered social structure messaging. At least a portion of first world Gen Z feels sold out (they are correct) by the DC globalists, and that part of both MAGA and the America First that is straying into a form of isolationism speaks strongly to them.

Where problems are arising is to what degree this is banging up against the perception that alot of attention and $$$ seems devoted to serving foreign goals even while domestically things seem in such free-fall. On the other hand, this "contrarian" bent is leading them to fall off the horse in the other wrong direction -- too much toward some kind of crazy fascist nolstagia and yes, deep suspicion of Israel that seems to shade sometimes -- not always (listen to Tucker's self defense) be translated into charges of being anti-semitic. Which sense the `nazi nolstagia' group is indeed that, colors the picture further. But for example it would be beyond stunning to find Megyn Kelly is a genuine anti-semitic. So there seems some truth the charge is used like the Left uses the useless racist label.

So even if some of these pundits are "grifting" they are speaking for a tangible sized discontented block of the upcoming generation who have now reacted to and see the blatant anti-white or hell even anti-First World in its determination to import the 3rd World on the parts of the Uniparty and the EU and Australia.

Snake Jazz said:

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Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and others just seem to be flailing at each other right now. Israel/Palestine seems to be a big part of this, as does the Kirk assassination. I have no idea what to make of this, as there are clearly a lot of different agendas and egos involved.

Can anybody make sense of this?

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Don't try. None are worth watching or listening to though I do think Levin is very intelligent.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Mark Levin isn't a grifter. I don't agree with him on everything, but he is a constitutionalist and a principled conservative.

Tucker Carlson plays whatever role he is paid to play. He is being paid by Qatar.

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Even if that is literally true, his speech at TPUSA is worth listening to, because it encapsulates what that diverging movement is pre-occupied with. He is very right that the potential for a broad coalition does exist if you ran with something like that. Some ideas are too strong to just be parroted- -- even if the speaker doesn't mean them, they still resonate when spoken.

Eh….they are all grifters in their own way, you and I both know it…they attack the people the want to attack and gin up views an likes…I like Levin, but he is no different than the others…the last true conservative that wasn't a grifter was Rush…be spoke truth to power and didn't concern himself with who would like or dislike him.

Podcaster are the same as onlyfans creators. Always looking for attention, suckering you into tomorrow's or next week's show. Teasing and just showing enough to keep the person attention to keep paying those monthly subscription. Only person ill take time out of my day to listen to, is Shawn Ryan.

Enough ranting for now, time for bed.

Urban Ag said:

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I just want to win.

I define winning as beating the democrats/leftists/commies/purple hair malcontents/etc, by whatever means.

As such I am a big tent conservative/Republican. We can not allow a fracture via purity tests.

I don't like a lot of what I am seeing on the right these days. That said, the left has no problem at all rationalizing Islam and LGBTQwhatever. Whenever in doubt of the outliers of the conservative movement, just remember that fact.

Taken a step further, the most vocal and popular leaders of the Islamists in America are completely embracing radical leftist social positions (see Omar, Mamdani, Tlaib, etc). Think on that. It's weird I know.

We just have to win and sort it out later.

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Winning is better than losing, but it's bittersweet when our big-tent "conservative" spends money like a big-tent progressive. Everything else is like arguing what the color of the Titanic should be as it slides beneath the waves.

MelvinUdall said:

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I will explain it…they are all grifters, and I am as conservative as anyone on this site…Carlson and Owen's went off the deep end and everyone has followed chasing money. There…POTD…end of story.

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Anther blue star

Some estimates of Carlson's current net worth are as high as $400 million. Even the lowest estimates are $50 million.

Kelly's net worth is estimated at least to be $50+ million.

Same with Shapiro. Net worth estimated to be as high as $65 million.

3rd party analytics estimate Candace Owen's conspiracy theory pushing YouTube channel is bringing in about $1.4 to $4+ million in revenue annually before costs.

Kirk at 31 years old was already exceeding a net worth of $15 million plus, on path to wealth on par with others listed above, before killed.

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The media entertainment side of Politics is a VERY big business, and every big name on the left or right you can think of has gotten wealthy from it. And what always sells well in politics and news is fear, conflict, conspiracy, drama…

For every one of the really big names, there are hundreds to thousands more on social media with YouTube channels, etc, trying to make money in the 'pundit' industry.

One doesn't have to watch the entirety of their speeches. These grifters are desperately trying to take a mantle of 'principled' leadership but are just loud-mouth jerks, imho.

Shapiro forced him off-script and the result was disaster. https://t.co/IBodQGGXlG

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) December 19, 2025

The way to win, is to force Dems into the wrong side of 80:20 issues, something DJT is an absolute master of, and also something their communist base demands they do.

There's no reason to really worry about the Qatari vs. the Antisemitic vs. the whatever the heck else is going on at TPUSA or whatever faction. The soap opera will end once we get into the 2028 cycle, imho. Until then, DJT will still be the party leadership and whether he is 'conservative' enough or not, it's who we'll roll with. There are a handful of Dems I am concerned about (such as Rho Khanna) but I think they will go with a moron anyway in '28 so it shouldn't be that big a problem.

Snake Jazz said:

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Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and others just seem to be flailing at each other right now. Israel/Palestine seems to be a big part of this, as does the Kirk assassination. I have no idea what to make of this, as there are clearly a lot of different agendas and egos involved.

Can anybody make sense of this?

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Conservatives won't allow themselves to just win. We always find a way to **** it up.

This is another point in what I was describing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/netanyahu-plans-brief-trump-possible-new-iran-strikes-rcna250112

So it's no longer Iran is developing nuclear weapons that garner US action. Israel is trying to get US to act on its already existing ballistic program.

Where's the benefit to America in doing so? Zero.

nortex97 said:

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One doesn't have to watch the entirety of their speeches. These grifters are desperately trying to take a mantle of 'principled' leadership but are just loud-mouth jerks, imho.

Shapiro forced him off-script and the result was disaster. https://t.co/IBodQGGXlG

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) December 19, 2025

The way to win, is to force Dems into the wrong side of 80:20 issues, something DJT is an absolute master of, and also something their communist base demands they do.

There's no reason to really worry about the Qatari vs. the Antisemitic vs. the whatever the heck else is going on at TPUSA or whatever faction. The soap opera will end once we get into the 2028 cycle, imho. Until then, DJT will still be the party leadership and whether he is 'conservative' enough or not, it's who we'll roll with. There are a handful of Dems I am concerned about (such as Rho Khanna) but I think they will go with a moron anyway in '28 so it shouldn't be that big a problem.

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Can agree with your outline and maybe as far as the `loud mouth jerks' but the point making is that Ben Shapiro and Tucker both accurately represent sizable `tectonic plates' of voter-bloc thought. Just as Mamdani and AOC did on the Left. Meaning, enough to impact outcomes. Tucker's speech was "good" in the sense of what it captured and revealed, not that it was all positive in the message sense. Hope that difference is more clear.

Ben Shapiro's speech had a similar moments of `not all positive' when it really saying there is only one side (which is precisely what is being disputed)

That said, the only ones that need to pay any attention to any of this -- even of the acts of grifters -- is those that track political movements and tides. They inform where the winds may shift. Think of it as a sailing ship being able to read a possible sudden change in weather, and not getting your masts blown overboard by a gust from the other direction or side. One such matter is the stringent ignoring of the importing of 3rd world and even worse, the more fundy minded Islam types. The point of the whole dissident tide is the awareness that large blocks of the D.C. government have been absolutely confirmed to not be serving the public or even American interest.

Lots of egos at stake. Each one is trying to make their brand of bull **** relevant. They make a living with clicks and likes. These are all talking heads. I can't even read quoted material from that yahoo Shapiro without doing it at 1,000 words a minute in a vocal frequency only my dog can hear.

Turn all these idiots off and go fishing or do something worthy of your brain function.

For ease of reading,

There are people who believe "The Juice" are a problem and those who have functioning brain cells.

That's the TLDR for the Conservative in fighting.

Queso1 said:

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1. "Conservatives" are pissed at Tucker because he speaks to power and it's a threat to the uni-party.

2. "Conservatives" are pissed because their pastor or Fox News host told them that it's our duty to do the bidding of Israel. And they hate Tucker because he exposed Cruz for what he is not: a representative of the State of Texas.

3. "Conservatives" are worried that we are real close to turning our backs on Trump.

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He speaks to power? Ok Kamala.

Why is Shapiro a "yahoo"?

War in Middle East. For example Syria. What Is the benefit? And open borders and resetting of Middle East refugees from the wars we have waged. Right now bibi is trying to coax us into more military action in Iran.

Israel and Turkey is also heating up. Watch the narrative of us leaving nato ramp up so Israel can fight Turkey.

In short your can be one of two diametrically opposed ideologies. Either nationalist or globalist. Because of Israel influencers we are globalists. And our country has been gutted, small town America is in decay. National pride is all time low. Our country is flooded with immigrants who hate us, kill and rape. And people can't stand up to it because our government is in opposition of a national mindset. It's set on globalization. Because politicians are getting paid by foreign countries.

Even Texas has now passed censorship laws on universities!! Limiting free speech because of Israel. Now obviously I don't agree with those people are saying but why are limiting free speech for ANOTHER NATION?

Starve the grift. pic.twitter.com/0QJjRJQgLO

— Buzz Patterson (@BuzzPatterson) December 20, 2025

Pumpkinhead said:

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Some estimates of Carlson's current net worth are as high as $400 million. Even the lowest estimates are $50 million.

Kelly's net worth is estimated at least to be $50+ million.

Same with Shapiro. Net worth estimated to be as high as $65 million.

3rd party analytics estimate Candace Owen's conspiracy theory pushing YouTube channel is bringing in about $1.4 to $4+ million in revenue annually before costs.

Kirk at 31 years old was already exceeding a net worth of $15 million plus, on path to wealth on par with others listed above, before killed.

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The media entertainment side of Politics is a VERY big business, and every big name on the left or right you can think of has gotten wealthy from it. And what always sells well in politics and news is fear, conflict, conspiracy, drama…

For every one of the really big names, there are hundreds to thousands more on social media with YouTube channels, etc, trying to make money in the 'pundit' industry.

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And you can rake it in with slightly above average intellect and good "soft" skills.